[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How so?

You’re dictating to someone how their inner sense of gender-identity should be in conformance with their genitals and calling them crazy for expressing free will. How is that not messing with their own perception of THEIR reality (not yours)?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Because it’s 2022 for one thing.

"It's the current year!"

Okay.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm not really sure where you're getting "transphobia" from? Why is it apparently offensive to say that someone's mental perception of themself is contrary to their physical reality?

I don't think there's anything wrong with people having mental ill-health, and acting like it's an insult smacks of stigmatisation.

I actually have a trans. friend who goes against your grail by being the perfect epitome of lucidity and good mental health. He (it was a female-to-male conversion) wasn’t deluded as to think that his genitals and biological sex weren’t what they were from birth-assignment. He just knew he wanted to transition genders, knowing the amount of ostracisation he’d face from people like you (and people even more flagrantly-transphobic, and in fairness I don’t think you’re the type to actively hate on them). I’m not sure someone who was psychiatrically-unstable in that sense would make such a life-altering decision and happily stick to it for life. The ‘delusion’ would’ve eventually wore-off by now if it was a form of dysmorphic psychosis and there’d probably be some sort of definite medication for it but there isn’t any. So naturally I don’t regard him as mentally-ill just for having a sexual preference. I’m not super-down with the trans. life and you won’t see me actively-campaigning for them (which by my standards is even bad) but I’m definitely not going to pathologise them for making a choice as an intelligent-enough adult.

[Redway]

Also, which medical model are you using for claiming that transsexualism is officially a mental disorder? It certainly isn’t the latest version of the ICD.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Also, which medical model are you using for claiming that transsexualism is officially a mental disorder? It certainly isn’t the latest version of the ICD.

I don't trust the motives behind declassifying it as a mental disorder tbh.

In what world is it not a mental disorder, when every other discordance between mind and body is?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't trust the motives behind declassifying it as a mental disorder tbh.

In what world is it not a mental disorder, when every other discordance between mind and body is?

Certified shrink, are you?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Certified shrink, are you?

One doesn't need to be. Someone whose mind is telling them they're something they're not (be it overweight when they're thin, or a woman when they're male) isn't a mind which is sound.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

One doesn't need to be. Someone whose mind is telling them they're something they're not (be it overweight when they're thin, or a woman when they're male) isn't a mind which is sound.

Have you not been reading/paying attention to a single word of mine?

[Liam-]

I can’t get passed the having a trans friend but not being pro-trans, that’s wild to me on a different level and kinda hypocritical if I’m being honest

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I can’t get passed the having a trans friend but not being pro-trans, that’s wild to me on a different level and kinda hypocritical if I’m being honest

I’m not uber pro-trans. in the way someone who was definitely part of the LGBT community would be but that’s just me being honest. It’s just like people (Christians-included) having gay friends but not actively-supporting the act of homosexuality. I’m not saying the latter anecdote applies to me at all but I can understand people having varying levels of personal opinions on the subject so long as an appropriate line’s drawn. Oliver doesn’t seem to know where the line is. I have my private opinions but at the same time I’m not living in 1966 or desperately-trying to pathologise transgendered people while hypocritically saying that the real stigma comes from people who take offence on behalf of them for saying they’re not mentally-ill. And that’s just kind of how it is.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I can’t get passed the having a trans friend but not being pro-trans, that’s wild to me on a different level and kinda hypocritical if I’m being honest

Also, I think you mean past.*

Sorry. I couldn’t resist.

[Redway]

Nothing to add, Oliver, no?

[Swan]

Why don't we let kids drink before 18? Drive before 17. Smoke before 18. Get married before 18? Why don't we even let kids watch certain films before 18?

[Parmy]

What is an unsound mind, is someone who thinks inverting their penis so they can hurl a glass dildo into it on a daily basis to keep it from closing, suddenly makes them a woman.

[Zizu]

It’s a crazy , crazy time .

In May 2021, Demi came out as non-binary and started using they/them pronouns. "Over the past year, I've been doing some healing and self-reflective work and, through this work, I've had the revelation that I identify as non-binary. With that said, I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they/them," Demi explained in an Instagram video.

"I feel that this best represents the fluidity that I feel in my gender expression and allows me to feel most authentic and true to the person I both know I am and still am discovering."

Today , Demi updated the pronouns on their Instagram to let fans know that they now use they/them/she/her pronouns. However, the 'Substance' singer didn't go into any detail about the change other than ..

Demi opened up about her decision to use both they/them and she/her pronouns. "For me I’m such a fluid person… I felt like especially last year, my energy was balanced in my masculine & feminine energy," Demi explained.

"When I was faced with the choice of walking into a bathroom and it said ‘women’ and ‘men,’ I didn’t feel like there was a bathroom for me. I didn’t feel necessarily like a woman. I didn’t feel like a man. I just felt like a human. And that’s what they/them is about for me. It’s just about feeling human at your core."

Demi continued: "Recently, I’ve been feeling more feminine and so I’ve adopted she/her again."


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s a crazy , crazy time .

In May 2021, Demi came out as non-binary and started using they/them pronouns. "Over the past year, I've been doing some healing and self-reflective work and, through this work, I've had the revelation that I identify as non-binary. With that said, I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they/them," Demi explained in an Instagram video.

"I feel that this best represents the fluidity that I feel in my gender expression and allows me to feel most authentic and true to the person I both know I am and still am discovering."

Today , Demi updated the pronouns on their Instagram to let fans know that they now use they/them/she/her pronouns. However, the 'Substance' singer didn't go into any detail about the change other than ..

Demi opened up about her decision to use both they/them and she/her pronouns. "For me I’m such a fluid person… I felt like especially last year, my energy was balanced in my masculine & feminine energy," Demi explained.

"When I was faced with the choice of walking into a bathroom and it said ‘women’ and ‘men,’ I didn’t feel like there was a bathroom for me. I didn’t feel necessarily like a woman. I didn’t feel like a man. I just felt like a human. And that’s what they/them is about for me. It’s just about feeling human at your core."

Demi continued: "Recently, I’ve been feeling more feminine and so I’ve adopted she/her again."


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f me. Id imagine pink and or blue hair

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s a crazy , crazy time .

In May 2021, Demi came out as non-binary and started using they/them pronouns. "Over the past year, I've been doing some healing and self-reflective work and, through this work, I've had the revelation that I identify as non-binary. With that said, I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they/them," Demi explained in an Instagram video.

"I feel that this best represents the fluidity that I feel in my gender expression and allows me to feel most authentic and true to the person I both know I am and still am discovering."

Today , Demi updated the pronouns on their Instagram to let fans know that they now use they/them/she/her pronouns. However, the 'Substance' singer didn't go into any detail about the change other than ..

Demi opened up about her decision to use both they/them and she/her pronouns. "For me I’m such a fluid person… I felt like especially last year, my energy was balanced in my masculine & feminine energy," Demi explained.

"When I was faced with the choice of walking into a bathroom and it said ‘women’ and ‘men,’ I didn’t feel like there was a bathroom for me. I didn’t feel necessarily like a woman. I didn’t feel like a man. I just felt like a human. And that’s what they/them is about for me. It’s just about feeling human at your core."

Demi continued: "Recently, I’ve been feeling more feminine and so I’ve adopted she/her again."


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Demi Lovato is using she/her pronouns when identifying as Non-Binary.

Admittedly Demi's lost me on that.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Demi Lovato is using she/her pronouns when identifying as Non-Binary.

Admittedly Demi's lost me on that.

I don't have much time for Demi ,she was clinging onto the whole 'non binary' thing as a trend. And surprise surprise now gone back to "she her" pronouns .

She also thought by cutting her hair ,it was something revolutionary . When plenty of women have short hair. And how she doesn't feel like wearing makeup on some days etc . I don't understand how that makes someone non binary ...but ok .

Plenty of women aren't always ultra feminine all the time .

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Demi Lovato is using she/her pronouns when identifying as Non-Binary.

Admittedly Demi's lost me on that.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't have much time for Demi ,she was clinging onto the whole 'non binary' thing as a trend. And surprise surprise now gone back to "she her" pronouns .

She also thought by cutting her hair ,it was something revolutionary . When plenty of women have short hair. And how she doesn't feel like wearing makeup on some days etc . I don't understand how that makes someone non binary ...but ok .

Plenty of women aren't always ultra feminine all the time .

She's sadly most likely fromthe section of the "gender diverse community" who faced sexual abuse in her formative years, having been a Disney Star...

She's talked about depression and overcoming suicidal ideation before too, so at the very least (and hopefully exclusively) she has that co-morditity...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

She's sadly most likely fromthe section of the "gender diverse community" who faced sexual abuse in her formative years, having been a Disney Star...

She's talked about depression and overcoming suicidal ideation before too, so at the very least (and hopefully exclusively) she has that co-morditity...

Was Demi abused ? .. that's sad if so . I could tell there's psychological issues ,I hope she finds some type of healing.

She was also reaching out to the wrong people aswell , I forgot his name but there was a guy who was encouraging her ..and I'm sure I heard he's a predator .


Also I think alot of these non binary people back in the 90s & early 00s would have just identified as 'goth' or 'emo', I saw a comment where a goth guy said he got confused for being in the same umbrella ,but he's just goth . I think alot of the 'non binary' community just like feeling special with this new label. Obviously I know this doesn't apply to all of them.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't have much time for Demi ,she was clinging onto the whole 'non binary' thing as a trend. And surprise surprise now gone back to "she her" pronouns .

She also thought by cutting her hair ,it was something revolutionary . When plenty of women have short hair. And how she doesn't feel like wearing makeup on some days etc . I don't understand how that makes someone non binary ...but ok .

Plenty of women aren't always ultra feminine all the time .

Well I'm confused.

Is Demi Lovato Non-Binary or not?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well I'm confused.

Is Demi Lovato Non-Binary or not?

Put inside Twitter:
Is Demi Lovato Non-Binary or not


https://twitter.com/krismacattack/st...45212390653957


Twitter thanked me,
for your words Mock

You have helped their Searching data.

[Mystic Mock]

And personally speaking I feel like debates with different opinions are a good thing, otherwise it's not really much of a debate.

These things shouldn't get too personal imo, obviously I understand it's different if you fit the demographic that's being discussed.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Oh I agree that Transphobia is wrong, and something that hopefully will evaporate over time.

I just don't want people on here falling out with each other over these topics.

Unfortunately there's alot of damaging stuff out there that gets a platform ,which seems to be making the community look bad.

idiots with huge prosthetic knockers calling themselves "trans" . When really it's some freak living out his fetish in Canada in a school of all places .

Or angry activists doxxing JK Rowling's address ,and sending her hate . It's not helping anything.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Unfortunately there's alot of damaging stuff out there that gets a platform ,which seems to be making the community look bad.

idiots with huge prosthetic knockers calling themselves "trans" . When really it's some freak living out his fetish in Canada in a school of all places .

Or angry activists doxxing JK Rowling's address ,and sending her hate . It's not helping anything.

And in the real world, violent hate crimes against trans people have skyrocketed over the past couple of years, not just mean words on Twitter, actual physical violence purely because of who they are, people like you seem to not acknowledge the serious knock on effect the rise of the anti-trans movement has had on real life trans people just trying to live their lives.

And the idiot with the prosthetic turned out to have nothing to do with being trans, he was a disgruntled man making a point about the different standards between discipline for men and women, but shock horror, the anti-trans folk jumped on it without a care in the world and used it for their own agenda.