[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Vito is seriously HOT in those trousers.

What if they fell off :O

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by The Grinch

What if they fell off :O

Ooooh la la.

[joeysteele]

Really great routine.

I wasn't looking forward to this final but it's been extremely good.
Powerful routines.

[Kate!]

Lots of 10s tonight.

[Vanessa]

Jamie. I miss him. But will see him at the tour.

[joeysteele]

This dancing of them all is brilliant

[Kate!]

Loved that group performance

[joeysteele]

I've voted for Sarah myself but I still think Chris will be the more likely winner with the public.

[arista]

Who Won?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by arista

Who Won?

Chris and Dianne

[arista]

Terrible Winner

Chris

Political Win

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

Terrible Winner

Chris

Political Win

This.

[joeysteele]

For no negative reason at all
That has dampened a really good final for me.

Well done obviously but it's not the best.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For no negative reason at all
That has dampened a really good final for me.

Well done obviously but it's not the best.

I just don't know what people see in him. No offense to his fans.

[Mystic Mock]

I called it that Chris would win because of his disability.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Santa Goth

I called it that Chris would win because of his disability.

Well done to him,but one of the other celebs should have won. But we know Strictly is a popularity contest,and the whole journey cliche clinches the deal aswell, especially if sympathy is involved.

Be interesting to see how close the voting was , I think Sarah & JB could have given him a run for his money.....they were strong with fans and overall likeability . But Sarah ,JB & Tasha- those 3 have been fantastic throughout imo and they were robbed.

[jones89]

Originally Posted by Christmas Spirit

Well done to him,but one of the other celebs should have won. But we know Strictly is a popularity contest,and the whole journey cliche clinches the deal aswell, especially if sympathy is involved.

Be interesting to see how close the voting was , I think Sarah & JB could have given him a run for his money.....they were strong with fans and overall likeability . But Sarah ,JB & Tasha- those 3 have been fantastic throughout imo and they were robbed.

Yeah those 3 were amazing!.. i have a feeling it would be..

1- Chris
2- JB
3- Sarah
4- Tasha

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Christmas Spirit

Well done to him,but one of the other celebs should have won. But we know Strictly is a popularity contest,and the whole journey cliche clinches the deal aswell, especially if sympathy is involved.

Be interesting to see how close the voting was , I think Sarah & JB could have given him a run for his money.....they were strong with fans and overall likeability . But Sarah ,JB & Tasha- those 3 have been fantastic throughout imo and they were robbed.

My main thing that I'm not happy about with Chris's win is that he won for reasons that were away from genuine fan popularity or dancing quality, he won because of his disability which ruined the Show right from the start, as there were loads of the audience that were going to vote for him regardless of anything that he said or his performances.

And anyone that had a remote chance at gaining support as the numbers got lower were removed before they were given that chance.

Imo as Rose and Chris (and a myriad of other disabled contestants have shown over the years on Strictly) there needs to be one of three solutions offered to the table imo.

1. The BBC creates a spin-off dancing contest for disabled contestants, so they're all competing on an equal turf to each other, thus no advantages in the vote towards one disabled contestant amongst non-disabled contestants.

2. The judges and the public learn to treat the disabled contestants the same as every other contestant on the Show, something that after all of these years still hasn't been mastered by either group.

Or 3. If the first two can't be achieved then the disabled contestants need to be banned from taking part on the Show, because it is meant to be an equal competition for every contestant to have a shot at winning the Show, and it's been clear to see this year that it was certainly not equal for someone like Shayne or Wynne to compete with Chris in the public vote, regardless of how they came across or danced.

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Santa Goth

My main thing that I'm not happy about with Chris's win is that he won for reasons that were away from genuine fan popularity or dancing quality, he won because of his disability which ruined the Show right from the start, as there were loads of the audience that were going to vote for him regardless of anything that he said or his performances.

And anyone that had a remote chance at gaining support as the numbers got lower were removed before they were given that chance.

Imo as Rose and Chris (and a myriad of other disabled contestants have shown over the years on Strictly) there needs to be one of three solutions offered to the table imo.

1. The BBC creates a spin-off dancing contest for disabled contestants, so they're all competing on an equal turf to each other, thus no advantages in the vote towards one disabled contestant amongst non-disabled contestants.

2. The judges and the public learn to treat the disabled contestants the same as every other contestant on the Show, something that after all of these years still hasn't been mastered by either group.

Or 3. If the first two can't be achieved then the disabled contestants need to be banned from taking part on the Show, because it is meant to be an equal competition for every contestant to have a shot at winning the Show, and it's been clear to see this year that it was certainly not equal for someone like Shayne or Wynne to compete with Chris in the public vote, regardless of how they came across or danced.

The first one wouldn’t work. All disabilities are different. I mean the Paralympics has different levels and different leagues for disabled people such as sight, missing limps etc so that would just not work at all.


Chris was a great winner, not just for his disability but also his dancing wasn’t bad, he scored in the 30s, that’s great. It’s not like he was getting 18, 19 etc. I did want Sarah to win mind, however, I’m not angry he won at all

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Grinch

The first one wouldn’t work. All disabilities are different. I mean the Paralympics has different levels and different leagues for disabled people such as sight, missing limps etc so that would just not work at all.


Chris was a great winner, not just for his disability but also his dancing wasn’t bad, he scored in the 30s, that’s great. It’s not like he was getting 18, 19 etc. I did want Sarah to win mind, however, I’m not angry he won at all

The disabled show would mainly be for the deaf and blind communities, that would be my vision for it anyway.

The really severe disabilities probably wouldn't be allowed on the Show in the first place I would guess.

And the judges are a joke nowadays, especially towards the end of the Show as every contestant starts scoring mid to high 30's.

If the judges were being more honest, Chris would've been in the teens with his attempt at the Paso for example, it was the worst attempt at the Paso in the entire season imo.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Santa Goth

My main thing that I'm not happy about with Chris's win is that he won for reasons that were away from genuine fan popularity or dancing quality, he won because of his disability which ruined the Show right from the start, as there were loads of the audience that were going to vote for him regardless of anything that he said or his performances.

And anyone that had a remote chance at gaining support as the numbers got lower were removed before they were given that chance.

Imo as Rose and Chris (and a myriad of other disabled contestants have shown over the years on Strictly) there needs to be one of three solutions offered to the table imo.

1. The BBC creates a spin-off dancing contest for disabled contestants, so they're all competing on an equal turf to each other, thus no advantages in the vote towards one disabled contestant amongst non-disabled contestants.

2. The judges and the public learn to treat the disabled contestants the same as every other contestant on the Show, something that after all of these years still hasn't been mastered by either group.

Or 3. If the first two can't be achieved then the disabled contestants need to be banned from taking part on the Show, because it is meant to be an equal competition for every contestant to have a shot at winning the Show, and it's been clear to see this year that it was certainly not equal for someone like Shayne or Wynne to compete with Chris in the public vote, regardless of how they came across or danced.

How do you feel then about those who have had a lot/some/no dance training whatsoever competing in the same contest? Tasha had a LOT of dance experience, JB had quite a lot, I don’t know about Sarah but we know Chris had absolutely none. The participants on Strictly have never been competing on an ‘equal turf’.
Given that, do you think there should be different shows for those with dance training and those with none at all?

I’m in absolute awe at how he managed to dance without getting his feet entangled with Diane’s; his footwork and positioning were exceptional, as the judges pointed out and marked accordingly.
How Diane taught him all the different moves and how he carried them out so well is astounding. I just don’t know how they did it!
I’d agree with you if he was crap and getting low marks every week, but far from it.
A remarkable achievement and an absolutely worthy winner!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

How do you feel then about those who have had a lot/some/no dance training whatsoever competing in the same contest? Tasha had a LOT of dance experience, JB had quite a lot, I don’t know about Sarah but we know Chris had absolutely none. The participants on Strictly have never been competing on an ‘equal turf’.
Given that, do you think there should be different shows for those with dance training and those with none at all?

I’m in absolute awe at how he managed to dance without getting his feet entangled with Diane’s; his footwork and positioning were exceptional, as the judges pointed out and marked accordingly.
How Diane taught him all the different moves and how he carried them out so well is astounding. I just don’t know how they did it!
I’d agree with you if he was crap and getting low marks every week, but far from it.
A remarkable achievement and an absolutely worthy winner!

The ringers don't have an advantage in the public vote, which is where my complaint lies.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Santa Goth

I called it that Chris would win because of his disability.

You've said it from early on in the series.
You were right Mock.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You've said it from early on in the series.
You were right Mock.

The one time that I didn't want to be right though Joey.

I'm sure Chris is a decent guy (when he isn't just cracking jokes all of the time) but the Show knows that it's Human instinct to root for the "underdog" and obviously there is probably no bigger underdog in a dancing contest than a blind person, because again the majority of the public are going to pity a blind person and vote for them to make themselves feel better, and that it's "the right thing to do." And "look at how amazing he is doing, let's see how the others danced if they were blindfolded." It can border on being patronizing sometimes imo.

And I just know that if I was one of the other finalists (as I am a very competitive person) I would not want to feel like I wasted my time on the Show for 13 weeks, because there was a big sympathy vote going on towards someone else, that would make me livid tbh.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Santa Goth

The one time that I didn't want to be right though Joey.

I'm sure Chris is a decent guy (when he isn't just cracking jokes all of the time) but the Show knows that it's Human instinct to root for the "underdog" and obviously there is probably no bigger underdog in a dancing contest than a blind person, because again the majority of the public are going to pity a blind person and vote for them to make themselves feel better, and that it's "the right thing to do." And "look at how amazing he is doing, let's see how the others danced if they were blindfolded." It can border on being patronizing sometimes imo.

And I just know that if I was one of the other finalists (as I am a very competitive person) I would not want to feel like I wasted my time on the Show for 13 weeks, because there was a big sympathy vote going on towards someone else, that would make me livid tbh.

I agree with you in the main Mock.

I actually do know people who were voting for him and one reason was he was blind, the other for his humerous comments.
It has been for some time, it's not a dancing competition really, which is sad in itself however that's where it is now.

It was a really good final and some incredible dancing from in the main only amateurs.
I was disappointed in the end but 3 of my own former favourites on the Strictly journey were out over the last weeks.
It wouldn't have made any difference though, as I still agree with you that this series was decided just about in the very early weeks of this series.

Which doesn't bode well for future series.
However well done to all the finalists even though none had any real chance of winning.
Plus well done to Chris and Dianne.
There's no doubt she was a brilliant teacher to Chris.
However again she's not the only brilliant teacher among the professionals.
Near all do their very best too with their partner and do a really great job too.
With little to no recognition for that in their cases.