[Alf]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Did you provide him with fact? MAGA doesn’t like that.

No, he didn't provide me with fact, just his opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[bots]

the reality is that AI is perfectly capable of working out if there is a problem with paracetamol. When i heard this story, i thought, wow everyone takes this on a regular basis, but, personally, i can't remember the last time I took paracetamol myself. It must be at least 30 or 40 years ago. A lot of drug use is habitual and under those circumstances, it may be a big problem if it's taken very frequently. Let AI do what it's good at would be my advice

[Maru]

Originally Posted by bots

the reality is that AI is perfectly capable of working out if there is a problem with paracetamol. When i heard this story, i thought, wow everyone takes this on a regular basis, but, personally, i can't remember the last time I took paracetamol myself. It must be at least 30 or 40 years ago. A lot of drug use is habitual and under those circumstances, it may be a big problem if it's taken very frequently. Let AI do what it's good at would be my advice

AI can't even manage to count the number of days between dates. A basic function that has lived in the standard libraries of most programming languages since forever.



Also, it's encouraging kids to commit suicide:
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...9&postcount=17
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...0&postcount=18
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...1&postcount=19

AI failing to report accurate details on a very public news story:
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...postcount=1174


AI "learns" through and relies on the manipulations of human beings. It can't do squat without our intervention. All it takes is slowly introducing a slight bias on top of the other algorithmic quirks it's prone to and the results are completely worthless.

I'll take my medical advice from a trained professional. We're not perfect, but it's easier to discern the actual source and the place it's coming from. I use AI for inconsequential things, but it's not a serious tool in any way.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Maru

AI can't even manage to count the number of days between dates. A basic function that has lived in the standard libraries of most programming languages since forever.



Also, it's encouraging kids to commit suicide:
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...9&postcount=17
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...0&postcount=18
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...1&postcount=19

AI failing to report accurate details on a very public news story:
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...postcount=1174


AI "learns" relies on the manipulations of human beings. It can't do squat without our intervention. All it takes is slowly introducing a slight bias on top of the other algorithmic quirks it's prone to and the results are completely worthless.

I'll take my medical advice from a trained professional. We're not perfect, but it's easier to discern the actual source and the place it's coming from. I use AI for inconsequential things, but it's not a serious tool in any way.

it depends what model you use for the particular task. For medical research AI has proven to be extremely valuable

[Nicky91]

almost as stupid as saying drinking bleach is a cure against covid

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

almost as stupid as saying drinking bleach is a cure against covid

or that paper and cloth masks work

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

or that paper and cloth masks work

You understand drinking bleach illicits a danger that wearing a cloth mask doesn't though, right? It's okay you can criticise Trump it's a safe space.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Or that the covid vaccine stops the spread of covid

Or that the virus did not come from a CHINESE Covid lab

[bots]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Or that the covid vaccine stops the spread of covid

that was primarily propaganda spread by politicians. It can be a true statement for some viruses that don't mutate quickly and where the majority of the population don't have the virus, both conditions that were not true for covid

[Maru]

Originally Posted by bots

that was primarily propaganda spread by politicians. It can be a true statement for some viruses that don't mutate quickly and where the majority of the population don't have the virus, both conditions that were not true for covid

Politicians can incidentally spread (pun not intended) bad information by just being generally dumb and not understanding how these things actually work.

I personally never encountered a politician saying it stopped the spread (but I'm sure someone said it lol). I don't tend to put a lot of stock into any single politician, especially on anything medical, so I do my own research. A lot of people assumed it though, but no one really corrected them on that impression...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Maru

Politicians can incidentally spread (pun not intended) bad information by just being generally dumb and not understanding how these things actually work.

I personally never encountered a politician saying it stopped the spread (but I'm sure someone said it lol). I don't tend to put a lot of stock into any single politician, especially on anything medical, so I do my own research. A lot of people assumed it though, but no one really corrected them on that impression...

i'm 99% sure Biden said it I know Boris said it here

[Maru]

Originally Posted by bots

i'm 99% sure Biden said it I know Boris said it here

Biden's state of mind was never that great to begin with. I'll give him a pass.

I didn't pay much attention to the shutdown in the UK, but funny enough, I was in my workshop making small furniture when I learned about it starting up there before it even really reached here. We were able to prep in advance and we sat it out just fine. Texas never closed to the extent of other states, so we were mostly normal except no one wanted to go to a restaurant, but it was hard to come by basic things like TP.

Edit: I think it's possible I caught it a few months before it started to spread though. My doctors office at the time was Asian-run and so lots of frequent travelers from that region as that community leaves town a lot and I definitely caught something from there that was really nasty...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bots

that was primarily propaganda spread by politicians. It can be a true statement for some viruses that don't mutate quickly and where the majority of the population don't have the virus, both conditions that were not true for covid

Looking back on it (and its only 5 years) the sheer scale of bs that was given out as "science" is staggering

Lockdowns being the largest of the hoaxes

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bots

that was primarily propaganda spread by politicians. It can be a true statement for some viruses that don't mutate quickly and where the majority of the population don't have the virus, both conditions that were not true for covid

I also think people forget the scenes of death we were watching on a daily basis during covid. To pretend that the vaccine didn't do a great (not perfect) job is pure revisionism

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I also think people forget the scenes of death we were watching on a daily basis during covid. To pretend that the vaccine didn't do a great (not perfect) job is pure revisionism

The Covid jab did help protect people, but it didn't stop it passing it on, and therefore should never have been touted as a necessity for those who were at little risk from Covid. I remember the whole 'get the jab to save granny' even though it would have made no difference if I got the jab or not to my granny. There was huge amounts of propaganda during Covid and I say that as someone who had the vaccine.

The scenes of death were bad of course, but also there was propaganda around that too - never ever have we had a 'death count'. We also watched in real time as those deaths were misrepresented to cause fear.

I Still remember the videos coming out of CHina of people just dropping dead from Covid in the street and how that literally never ever happened anywhere else in the world at any point since.

There was a lot of weirdness around Covid and a lot of lies or manipulation, IMO.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by BBXX

The Covid jab did help protect people, but it didn't stop it passing it on, and therefore should never have been touted as a necessity for those who were at little risk from Covid. I remember the whole 'get the jab to save granny' even though it would have made no difference if I got the jab or not to my granny. There was huge amounts of propaganda during Covid and I say that as someone who had the vaccine.

The scenes of death were bad of course, but also there was propaganda around that too - never ever have we had a 'death count'. We also watched in real time as those deaths were misrepresented to cause fear.

I Still remember the videos coming out of CHina of people just dropping dead from Covid in the street and how that literally never ever happened anywhere else in the world at any point since.

There was a lot of weirdness around Covid and a lot of lies or manipulation, IMO.

This is what I mean by misremembering. Nurses were wrapped in trash bags trying to protect themselves because everywhere was on it's arse. Families saying goodbye over tablets, temp hospitals being set up.

You can call the claim of invulnerability, propaganda, and I can sort of get on board with that, but without that vaccine things would have been a lot worse for a lot longer.

Boris bragging about shaking hands with everyone was propaganda based on British exceptionalism, and yet the only thing classed as propaganda around covid, is a vaccine that worked.

It's just misdirection.

[BBXX]

When someone says to drink bleach to ward off infection and you still can't bring yourself to criticise them you are in a cult. Just so you are aware. Seek professional help.

[BBXX]

Yes Covid times was full of propaganda, it was insane and ridiculous and senseless.

[Redway]

Can this guy get any-more repulsive?

[Maru]

So I've heard from a few people since that their doctors knew of the risks and were adamant for the mothers to NOT take acetaminophen. I've seen plenty of online accounts, but these are people closer to me who have brought it up on their own (during conversation)...

Also, Daily Caller shows a PDF with email exchange with J&J basically saying they were seeing the evidence stack up. That may not prove to be an absolute link, but I wonder if part of the reason they sold off the Tylenol label from under their umbrella was to avoid self-inflicted damage if the risk did start to add up. That way it became another company's problem. It's not like they "need" it in their portfolio... (even if it's like a spin off company, it can still limit liability and the extent of damage)

SCOOP: Tylenol Maker Privately Admitted Evidence Was Getting ‘Heavy’ For Autism Risk In 2018
https://dailycaller.com/2025/09/26/s...n-autism-risk/

And holy crap is this PDF/Image compressed...



Direct PDF link: https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-con...09/184-185.pdf

The DCNF obtained the company documents from the law firm Keller Postman LLC, which brought a class action lawsuit against Kenvue in the Federal District Court for the Southern District of New York.

A decade before Weinstein’s email, in 2008, Johnson & Johnson began receiving queries from consumers and physicians about a possible link, emails show.

“Not much choice but to consider this a safety signal that needs to be evaluated,” J&J Office of Consumer Medical Safety Lead Andre Mann wrote in 2008 after receiving a letter from a physician with concerns.

Leslie Shur, the head of the division of Johnson & Johnson that monitors the side effects of drugs already on the market, received an alert in 2012 about concerns about acetaminophen and autism from a concerned father, with one employee writing “in case this goes to press.”

Concerns about a link between Tylenol and neurological disorders may have reached the C-suite by 2014, according to another email, which references then-Johnson & Johnson CEO Alex Gorski.

The makers of Tylenol have closely tracked a drumbeat of scientific publications finding an association between taking the blockbuster drug in pregnancy and infancy and autism risk, other company documents show. (RELATE Pregnant Influencers Seemingly Try To Own Trump With Tylenol)

A 2018 internal presentation the company labeled “privileged and confidential” acknowledges that observational studies show a “somewhat consistent” association between prenatal exposure to Tylenol and neurodevelopmental disorders. Another presentation slide acknowledges that larger meta-analyses — reviews summarizing multiple scientific studies — found an association, but notes weaknesses of these studies like confounding variables and subjectivity in measuring autistic traits.

“Johnson & Johnson divested its consumer health business years ago, and all rights and liabilities associated with the sale of its over-the-counter products, including Tylenol (acetaminophen), are owned by Kenvue,” a Johnson & Johnson spokesman said in a statement.

Hearings before the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in the class action suit against Kenvue will begin Oct. 9. Judge Denise Cote granted summary judgement for Kenvue in September 2023, after tossing the scientific testimony from experts for Keller Postman, citing the “great public health implications” of pregnant women not having the drug.

Ashley Keller, lead attorney for the families with autistic children, argues the judge overstepped and that women should be alerted to the risk.

“We saw this nonsense with COVID on all sorts of things that turned out to be untrue. They said these lies were noble lies. Well, we shouldn’t sugar coat things for pregnant moms,” he said to the DCNF.

The judge also responded to the internal records showing that the company knew about studies showing an autism risk by saying that “candid internal discussion […] is positive corporate behavior.”

Whether it's legitimate or not, there's obviously more risk now for class actions/other legal challenges if their own discovery aka internal communications by prominent players are suggesting there is a link... it's not completely out of question and it's enough to get to damages if they are actively hiding any risks to fetus... that's enough to find fault in some jurisdictions in the US.