[Shaun]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Are you saying people who work in bars have less rights?

Of course they have equal rights, it's just that they should also have the common sense to accept that working in a bar comes with an environment in which smokers smoke.

[Dr43%er]

At some point in the past people would have been working with toxic chemicals/acids with out protection as the laws were not in place. It is only due to laws being passed that forces the bosses to protect the workers. All that has happened is this has been extended to bar workers.

On the water rising thing. Here is an interesting site. http://flood.firetree.net/

Taking Blackpool as the example. Zoom in to it.

Now here is what happens at various sea level raises.

1 meter. The South shore beech has gone.

3 meters. Lytham green drive golf club starts to flood.

6 meters. Homes around the Hawes Side lane now fooding.

8 meters. Blackpool airport starts to flood.

10 meters. Hundreds of homes now flooded with the waters now lapping at the town centre.

12 meters. South Blackpool totally under water.

14 meters. The town centre is now flooded. Thousands of people are now homeless. Shops and industry are now closed.

It does not go up to 84 meters. I think you get the point though.

[Scarlett.]

We will adapt like we always have done

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Chewy
We will adapt like we always have done

And keep adapting until there's no land at all? What do we plan to do then? Make crops grow magically?

[tinkerbell]

They dont order you or make you do anything, they are just suggesting and trying to help people to be happier or healthier. you dont have to do shito.

[Matt10k]

But isn't global warming inevitable? I saw a program which stated that very little of global warming is caused by man.

If we concentrate on CO2, natural sources such as volcanoes and rotting vegetation actually contribute far more to the levels of Co2 in the atmosphere than man made sources.

However... the biggest and most important greenhouse agent is in fact water vapour anyway caused by evaporation from sea water, which is a natural process.

It is true that scientists have found correlation between CO2 levels raising and the temperature raising but when they looked at these results in more detail they noticed that as sun activity increased and as the sun rose in temperature, CO2 levels rose AFTER and not before the sun had already heated up.

The sun is actually slowly growing in size and as a result the temperature on earth is gradually rising. Man really doesn't contribute all that much to the process at all. The temperature would be raising steadily whether we chose to burn fossil fuels or not.

[Scarlett.]

No theres an infinite amount of Space above us and Scientists are working on building "Halo" style habitats and are working on Terraforming Mars, I'll find the info

[CookieDough3000]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Are you saying people who work in bars have less rights?

Are you saying they have more?

The real people with rights in this context are not the customer or the worker, they are the owner. If the owner wants to allow what is afterall an entirely legal activity on his own property, he is entitled to. That is what ownership means.

Nobody is forced to work there or take their custom there. If nobody does, then the owner will change his practices because his making a loss. If, however, people do, then it is a mutual agreement on the part of the owner and the customers that smoking is allowed there. Someone that doesn't like smoking should not enter, just as I should not enter a club if I don't like loud music or a library if I have a fear of books.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Chewy
No theres an infinite amount of Space above us and Scientists are working on building "Halo" style habitats and are working on Terraforming Mars, I'll find the info

No offense, but I'll believe that when I see it.

[Scarlett.]

Terraforming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming
Artists impression on a current project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ford_torus.jpg
Space Colonization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_colonization

[tinkerbell]

Originally posted by Matt10k
But isn't global warming inevitable? I saw a program which stated that very little of global warming is caused by man.

If we concentrate on CO2, natural sources such as volcanoes and rotting vegetation actually contribute far more to the levels of Co2 in the atmosphere than man made sources.

However... the biggest and most important greenhouse agent is in fact water vapour anyway caused by evaporation from sea water, which is a natural process.

It is true that scientists have found correlation between CO2 levels raising and the temperature raising but when they looked at these results in more detail they noticed that as sun activity increased and as the sun rose in temperature, CO2 levels rose AFTER and not before the sun had already heated up.

The sun is actually slowly growing in size and as a result the temperature on earth is gradually rising. Man really doesn't contribute all that much to the process at all. The temperature would be raising steadily whether we chose to burn fossil fuels or not.

Global warming isnt inevitable, but they are trying save the planet for as long as they can, end of the world is inevitable but people are trying to make the most of it. A bit of co operation to make the world better wont kill anyone.

[Scarlett.]

Once we find a new source of fuel, the atmosphere will heal

[Dr43%er]

You would get on well as a boss in china. A worker loses a hand in a machine as the law does not require safety guards. Just replace them. After all it was their fault for working there. No one forced them to.

[CookieDough3000]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
You would get on well as a boss in china. A worker loses a hand in a machine as the law does not require safety guards. Just replace them. After all it was their fault for working there. No one forced them to.

What a totally pointless comment. Everybody else seems to be talking about smoking here. Do you have some tick that compells you to type 'China'?

Working a dangerous machine is not something people do in their leisure; smoking is. It is fair to assume therefore that outlets will be provided by people where people can congregate and smoke.

Who exactly are you speaking for here? Who made you Chairman of the Bar Workers' Union? I have never once met a bar worker who has wanted smoking banned; most of them have smoked themselves.

Don't try and paint your moralistic crusade as some daring campaign to support workers. Just admit it for what it is: a tyrannous, selfish attempt to stop people doing what they want to do simply because you don't like it. The only people who had a problem with smoking in pubs were people like you - spoilt, demanding egoists who should have just gone home and let people get on with their own lives.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Shaun

And keep adapting until there's no land at all? What do we plan to do then? Make crops grow magically?

But there is only so much water so if all of the ice caps suddenly melted then thats as high as sea levels can go. But some people seem to be missing the fact that it will not rise the full 84m if anything because of scientific factors which will increase the pressure in the sea rather than it flooding. I can't explain what it is because I can't fully remember why it is but they have found that sea levels will even themselves out.

Originally posted by Matt10k
But isn't global warming inevitable? I saw a program which stated that very little of global warming is caused by man.

If we concentrate on CO2, natural sources such as volcanoes and rotting vegetation actually contribute far more to the levels of Co2 in the atmosphere than man made sources.

However... the biggest and most important greenhouse agent is in fact water vapour anyway caused by evaporation from sea water, which is a natural process.

It is true that scientists have found correlation between CO2 levels raising and the temperature raising but when they looked at these results in more detail they noticed that as sun activity increased and as the sun rose in temperature, CO2 levels rose AFTER and not before the sun had already heated up.

The sun is actually slowly growing in size and as a result the temperature on earth is gradually rising. Man really doesn't contribute all that much to the process at all. The temperature would be raising steadily whether we chose to burn fossil fuels or not.

It is inevitable. We are only supposedly helping nature along with carbon emissions but another predicted fact that isn't provided with information is that global warming has occured long before people were in existence, and on more than one occasion. The very technical graph below shows a section of the predicted weather chart throughout the Earths history.



The red line represents the fluctuating temperature, the blue line represents the ice age, the yellow line represents the flooding and the green blob represents where we are now. The grey extension is a prediction. They have predicted that the Earth will cool down in a few thousand years, and then within another million or so we will plunge back into another ice age.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by tinkerbell
Global warming isnt inevitable, but they are trying save the planet for as long as they can, end of the world is inevitable but people are trying to make the most of it. A bit of co operation to make the world better wont kill anyone.

It is. Sun is heating up, nothing we can do to stop it.

[Matt10k]

Yeah Tom. it's all part of the earths natural cycle that has been going on for millions of years. Mans contribution is minimal and global warming will continue whether we cut down on burning fossil fuels or not.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Chewy
Did you know Scientists are currently devloping cars that run on Salt Water as radiowaves burn it creating fuel?

Plus whatever we do the world wont change China is pumping out more smoke than the whole world put together

I hate that. We contributed as much as them, and believe it or not each and everyone of us is contributing to climate change.

" the ice caps are gone, noting to worry about " - To add to that logic, so will the Polar Bears, the Snow you love so much, the fields, the tree's, the great plains, deserts fields. By building over the water, the world will become nothing over than a concrete city.

[Dr43%er]

Typing China once hardly counts as a compultion.

A: I am a boss. So I have a duty of care to my employees for their health and safety. This includes making sure they have the right safety equipment for the job, and a safe working environment. This include noxious airborne substances I.E cigarette smoke.

B: Smoking is something "some" people do for there leisure. Why should this effect the non smokers or smokers who are just trying to do there job.

C: Who made you the chairman of F.O.R.E.ST? Most of the bar workers I know, even the smokers prefer working now the ban is in.

With regards to me being egotistical and selfish. As you don't know me you can not possibly know if I ever complained about smokers in bars. I will let you know. Yes I have when someone has burnt me with their fag. You are the one who wants to smoke it, so hold it nearer to you and not away from you. In fact, why do smokers hold their fags away from them if it is no problem.

The only other times would be if i was sat with a mate and the unfiltered smoke was coming straight to me from where they were holding the fag. Then I would ask them if they minded moving it. I would not shout and ball about it, and never have. The ban has made no difference to my habits.

I quite like the idea that I am selfish but you are saying to bar workers, If I want to smoke you should get another job to protect your health.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matt10k

It is. Sun is heating up, nothing we can do to stop it.

The sun is heating up?????????
The why is it Global, wouldn't that effect the whole solar system?

Global Warming is mainly caused by the trapping of Greenhouse Gases in our Ozone layer.

[Scarlett.]

The rest of the Solar system dont have an atmosphere to affect (except Mars) so why would it effect them?

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Magic

The sun is heating up?????????
The why is it Global, wouldn't that effect the whole solar system?

Global Warming is mainly caused by the trapping of Greenhouse Gases in our Ozone layer.

You are wrong. All global warming stems from the sun. The suns rays become trapped in the earths atmosphere and the heating effect is prelonged. Without this effect, there would be no life on earth.

The sun itself is heating and expanding and will eventually (albeit) billions of years become so large it engulfs all the planets up to mars.

The main greenhouse agent is water vapour. Another much less important greenhouse agent is CO2. As the sun heats, CO2 levels rise (as I stated earlier). There are other sources of C02 such as volcanos and rotting vegetation. It is thought that the actual amount of CO2 that can be attributed to man from factories, cars etc... is less than 1%.

[Scarlett.]

And one day our sun will be gone and take our Solar System with it

[Magic]

Originally posted by Chewy
The rest of the Solar system dont have an atmosphere to affect (except Mars) so why would it effect them?

Thats my point.,

[Magic]

Originally posted by Chewy
And one day our sun will be gone and take our Solar System with it

Yes, One day. But thats not happening for a good Million years.

I have noticed lots of Ignorance in this thread, people just seem to hand Global Issues for the future generation to deal with!

You mark my words, you'll all eat Humble Pie one day!