[Stu]

Originally posted by Posted
Drugs are a bad thing.

Dangerous words. If the masses think like this , we are all ****ed.

Can you at least give an educated opinion instead of being so vague about it?

I smoke a joint. I get dizzy , laugh a bit , consume more chocolate than I normaly would , fall asleep , wake up the next morning without a hangover.

Now tell me whats bad about that.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
The only drugs I have ever had in my life was a pull on a joint, it was so **** I didnt bother again. What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic. Pull yourself together and get a job!

Excuse me??

I worked for 5 years as a stockbroker...... I think that qualifies as a job

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic.

They do need the drugs. Thats what a heavy physical addiction is all about , so dont be so ignorant. This is not me sympathising with hard drug addicts by the way.

And a pull of a joint? This is what your argument is based around? Drugs are all equally worthless for everyone because you had a pull off a joint and got nothing out of it?

Weed it not a heavy drug. A single pull will get you all the buzz of a box of silk cut blues. Nothing more.

[Harry!]

Originally posted by Morpheus

Dangerous words. If the masses think like this , we are all ******.

Can you at least give an educated opinion instead of being so vague about it?

I smoke a joint. I get dizzy , laugh a bit , consume more chocolate than I normaly would , fall asleep , wake up the next morning without a hangover.

Now tell me whats bad about that.

Why do I always start rows?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Posted

Why do I always start rows?

I would not call it a row. Its a debate. After all , this is a serious debate thread.

So can you answer my question?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Posted

Why do I always start rows?

Its a debate

[Harry!]

Originally posted by Morpheus

I would not call it a row. Its a debate. After all , this is a serious debate thread.

So can you answer my question?

Sorry.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Morpheus

I smoke a joint. I get dizzy , laugh a bit , consume more chocolate than I normaly would , fall asleep , wake up the next morning without a hangover.

Now tell me whats bad about that.

Thats exactly why I smoked for years.... in a strange way I found it much more social too.

All my mates smoked so we would just crash round and smoke till dawn then stumble home after having a hilarious evening of side splitting fun

[MarkWaldorf]

I don't have time for anyone who uses drugs for 'fun'. There's nothing fun about putting a huge risk on your body, or even worse, your life at all.

There are people at my school who want to fit in with crowds which aren't nessacerily the best and feel taking drugs (like them) gets them accepted. It doesn't, it just makes them stupid.

People who take drugs as a medical aid, I feel sorry for. It is unfair that sometimes the only beneficial treatment is taking these drugs. But if it benefits, then that's an option they should take. That's the difference between taking drugs for the sake of it and taking drugs for treatment.

[Stu]

Originally posted by MarkChap©
I don't have time for anyone who uses drugs for 'fun'. There's nothing fun about putting a huge risk on your body, or even worse, your life at all.

Have you ignored most of the thread , do you have any knowledge of drugs , or are you just going to listen to your own , uneducated side of the story? 90% of the time , 99% if you are talking about cannabis , no harm comes from drugs. Its an illogical thing to say. Each time you cross a road your putting your life at risk. Each time you cut a sandwich your putting your life at risk. Each time you walk down the stairs your putting your life at risk. Its the same odds.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by MarkChap©
I don't have time for anyone who uses drugs for 'fun'. There's nothing fun about putting a huge risk on your body, or even worse, your life at all.

I take it you don't drink or smoke then?

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

I take it you don't drink or smoke then?

Nah, lol.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by MarkChap©

Nah, lol.

Why do I not believe you?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

Why do I not believe you?

Why would anybody want to debate about Alcohol or Nicotine? After all , their legal , so users are not putting their lives on the line using those fun , clean , government taxed drugs I guess .

[Red Moon]

Just a gentle reminder to watch how you talk to each other and watch the tone of your replies. Be careful not insult each other or belittle other peoples views even if they are extreme or different from your own. Treat everyone with repect.

Red

[Legend]

Originally posted by MarkChap©
I don't have time for anyone who uses drugs for 'fun'.

It baffles me when people say stuff like that. If one of your good friends said they used drugs now and again, for a bit of "fun" would you wash your hands of them?

Taking drugs doesn't make you a bad person, a stupid person or anything else. It's a personal choice, and that Bill Hicks quote above ^^, so true. It is absolutely nobody elses business, unless it is somehow effecting you then why frown upon it and think less of people who do it?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Legend

Taking drugs doesn't make you a bad person, a stupid person or anything else. It's a personal choice, and that Bill Hicks quote above ^^, so true. It is absolutely nobody elses business, unless it is somehow effecting you then why frown upon it and think less of people who do it?

Agreed, if you washed your hands of everyone that did drugs, alcohol and tobacco must also be included, then thats almost everyone

[Shaun]

I think people are a bit ruthless when it comes to labelling all drug takers as filthy addicts and wastes of space. I know many, many people who've taken drugs, and I can see past that fact since they're friends of mine.

However, I hate drug addiction and the things it leads you to do. My older brother is, and has been for roughly 10 years now, a heroin addict, and has been in prison, rehab...none of it's worked.

A lot of it depends on the area you're brought up in. Torquay appears, to those who don't know it, rather sunny and nice - but it's horrible. Drugs, crime, alcohol-consumption, unemployment are all rife...and it's a dangerous environment to bring up children in - as my brother has found out the hard way.

The things he's done in order to feed his addiction are horrible. He's stolen money, jewellery, phones, other items from my mother, myself, and other family members to sell for drugs. It's hard to forgive someone who's that close to you for doing that, but I don't think I'll ever come close to understanding the mind of an addict, as I've never been addicted. That's why I'd never touch drugs.

Stu raises an interesting point about alcohol and cigarettes, though. I happily drink every weekend or two, although I've never smoked regularly (the odd one at a party, yes). It's a bit odd how there's such a taboo around drugs like cocaine, heroin, ecstacy etc. but not these.

[Glenn.]

Originally posted by ~kizwiz~

Excuse me??

I worked for 5 years as a stockbroker...... I think that qualifies as a job

OK I didnt make myself clear. Fair enough some drug users do actually have jobs, but they dont deserve them. They fall under the catergorie of Asylum Seekers in my opinion, and that is a debate on its own. But these days its kids that are on the drugs..WHY? They dont look big, it may certainly feel like they are. But my question is.. Surely something isnt that bad to turn to drugs for an answer?
The majority of people nowadays start taking drugs because their friends say its a good buzz, in my opinion they should either sort themselves out or just be man aout these things and say NO, or have an overdose and just die. Theres no room in this society for junkies (NO OFFENCE INTENDED)

[Legend]

Originally posted by ~kizwiz~

Agreed, if you washed your hands of everyone that did drugs, alcohol and tobacco must also be included, then thats almost everyone

Exactly, some people aren't able and in most cases don't have the intelligence to see past recreational drug use, and it's them I feel sorry for.

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123

Fair enough some drug users do actually have jobs, but they dont deserve them.

Would that include everyone in the country who has some booze at the weekend? Or smokes a spliff to come down after a hard days work?

And you are aware its impossible to overdose on weed?

Your arguments make absoloutely no sense.

And what about people like me? Because their are many like me. Millions , in fact. I smoke weed every now and then but you dare class me into your label of 'Junkie'?

Stop sounding like a talk to frank advertisment , and learn some facts.

[Shaun]

Drug users are nothing like asylum seekers

And I think there's many possible reasons why people start taking drugs - been influenced by friends/family/celebrities, boredom, depression, rebellion, they genuinely enjoy it (the 'buzz')... so it's not fair to tar them all with the same brush.

[Legend]

Originally posted by GlennDines123

OK I didnt make myself clear. Fair enough some drug users do actually have jobs, but they dont deserve them. They fall under the catergorie of Asylum Seekers in my opinion, and that is a debate on its own. But these days its kids that are on the drugs..WHY? They dont look big, it may certainly feel like they are. But my question is.. Surely something isnt that bad to turn to drugs for an answer?
The majority of people nowadays start taking drugs because their friends say its a good buzz, in my opinion they should either sort themselves out or just be man aout these things and say NO, or have an overdose and just die. Theres no room in this society for junkies (NO OFFENCE INTENDED)

Seriously this isn't for real and neither are you? People who use drugs don't deserve a job? Make your mind up ... first you said they should go out and get a job, now they don't deserve one?!

I can't respond further without getting myself a warning. I'd say you should go and be a silly, ignorant fool somewhere else.

[Glenn.]

Originally posted by Morpheus

Would that include everyone in the country who has some booze at the weekend? Or smokes a spliff to come down after a hard days work?

And you are aware its impossible to overdose on weed?

Your arguments make absoloutely no sense.

Why the **** would you, as you put it `smoke a spliff to come down after a hard days work?`
Your life must be mega ****ed up if you need a spiff to relax from a hard days work. I work 12hrs a day 6 days a week, I dont need to smoke a spliff to relax.
The things drugs do to someone in mere hours of consumption can and has been fatal, thats why I cant understand people risk their lives, just for a kick.
And there really isnt any comparison in alcohol to drugs so what a stupd technicality to bring up???

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123

Why the **** would you, as you put it `smoke a spliff to come down after a hard days work?`
Your life must be mega ****** up if you need a spiff to relax from a hard days work. I work 12hrs a day 6 days a week, I dont need to smoke a spliff to relax.
The things drugs do to someone in mere hours of consumption can and has been fatal, thats why I cant understand people risk their lives, just for a kick.
And there really isnt any comparison in alcohol to drugs so what a stupd technicality to bring up???

I dont need to smoke it. I just want to. Its fun , I have a laugh , and theirs no concequences. If that makes me a junky to a drug you cant get addicted to by your definition , fine , but your definition sucks to be perfectly honest. No harm done to anyone. Im not risking my life. Its just weed. The worst that can happen to me is that I may smoke too much and get sick. Im not stirrping down naked and jumping off rooftops because im getting a little giddy.

Their is not a comparison in alcohol to drugs? Alcohol is a drug.A drug that has many , many more harmful effects than weed , both long and short term , if used unresponsibily by the wrong people.