[Tom]

Originally posted by Sticks
Leviticus 18

Thats the passage I was referring to earlier on, thanks for that

[Firewire]

I am not homophobic in the slightest. Everybody in my school is homophobic though. There was a gay guy and a lesbian in my school but they left. People call me gay all the time even when I am not. So they start laughing (very homophobic in my opinion). They also call things gay for a laugh (in my opinion not funny. lol). I never call anyone or anything gay.

[FrenchAffair]

Originally posted by Firewire
I am not homophobic in the slightest. Everybody in my school is homophobic though. There was a gay guy and a lesbian in my school but they left. People call me gay all the time even when I am not. So they start laughing (very homophobic in my opinion). They also call things gay for a laugh (in my opinion not funny. lol). I never call anyone or anything gay.

Maybe thats just how others precive you.

[Tom4784]

I think everyone desreves to be happy whether it's with a man and woman. So i say like who you like, love who you love all that matters is that you are happy together, screw everyone else's opinions!

[Conor]

Self confessed homophobe here. Probably due to my dad and grandads strong hatred towards the group. My mum doesn't have any problem with them though.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Conor
Self confessed homophobe here. Probably due to my dad and grandads strong hatred towards the group. My mum doesn't have any problem with them though.

+K for having the courage to admit it on a public forum =D

[Conor]

No need, but thanks

[Sticks]

The concept of this word implies hatred, but following the Biblical injunction does not mean the hatred of the person, but of the practice. 1 Corinthians 6 is quite clear, people who were involved, did repent.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Sticks
The concept of this word implies hatred, but following the Biblical injunction does not mean the hatred of the person, but of the practice. 1 Corinthians 6 is quite clear, people who were involved, did repent.

But words evolve.

[Nurse57]

"Self confessed homophobe here."

What would you do if you have a child that turns out to be gay?

[Ella]

No. I cannot stand homophobics. They actually do make me feel sick, Its usually aimed more at Gay Men, Rather then Gay Women, I don't know why this is. My brother came out as Gay years ago and my whole family had no problem with it, He knew what he was and that he was totally gay, He has had boyfriends but just recently moved into his own place with his long term fella.

Thankfully he has never had any trouble with homophobics (touch wood) But if he did he would know how to deal with it.

Most Women would love to have a gay best friend!!

[kerri]

ive not got a prob with gay people ive got some decent friends who are gay. each to there own i say x x x

[Ella]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"Self confessed homophobe here."

What would you do if you have a child that turns out to be gay?

If my Daughter turned round to me and told me she was Gay, I'd be totally fine with it, Its her life, her choice. I'll always be her Mum and always lover her no matter what choices she makes in her life.

[Nurse57]

My question was aimed at Conor, but I guess all can answer.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Ella
No. I cannot stand homophobics. They actually do make me feel sick, Its usually aimed more at Gay Men, Rather then Gay Women, I don't know why this is. My brother came out as Gay years ago and my whole family had no problem with it, He knew what he was and that he was totally gay, He has had boyfriends but just recently moved into his own place with his long term fella.

Thankfully he has never had any trouble with homophobics (touch wood) But if he did he would know how to deal with it.

Most Women would love to have a gay best friend!!

To clarify. The following is not a statement from a homophobic but from someone who believes that people of differing beliefs and instincts should not be tagged as some sort of social wrong doer. Read on please.......

Some people may be homophobic because of their religious beliefs. When you state you cannot stand homophobics you are in effect saying you are phobic about someone elses belief. Thus that makes you every bit as bad as a homophobic.

Although not all sexual orientations and beliefs can be accepted at least we should all try to respect that there are differences and stop labelling someone with a differt belief as some sort of villain.....

It is also foolish to assume that homophobics hate gay people. If it is part of a religious belief then it is the act of homosexuality that is considered wrong but hatred of the individuals may not be the case. The sexual orientation not the people....

I understand your post is a defensive stance. probably because you fear for your brother that he may be discriminated against at some point in his life.

[Sunny_01]

I think if more people let others live their lives in whichever way they chose we would have so much more time on our hands to do and say more constructive things.

I think someone else summed it up when they said we should be free to love who we love regardless of their gender without fear of others reactions to it.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think if more people let others live their lives in whichever way they chose we would have so much more time on our hands to do and say more constructive things.

I think someone else summed it up when they said we should be free to love who we love regardless of their gender without fear of others reactions to it.

That would be a perfect world of which will never happen or even become close to happening...

On the flip side of the logic people should also be free to have whatever reactions they instinctively have.......What they should not be free to do is act in a harmfull way reactions that are negative to another persons way of life.. As you said but in a different way......

[Annie]

My dad is homophobic which I don't understand as my little brother is gay. My dad once said to me when I was 13 "I wouldnt mind if you were pregnant as a teen but if you ever came home and said you were a lesbian I would throw you out"
Lucky I aint then eh?!

But I think in the older generation its because it was always frowned upon. Its always said to be against the bible which may be where my dad is coming from.

I love the fact that my brother is gay though as I am happy that he is confident enough in himself to do what he wants to do even though he knew my dads feelings.

I also love gay guys - more the camp gay to be honest - they are just always so bubbly and enjoyers of life and thats nice to see.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Annie
Its always said to be against the bible which may be where my dad is coming from.

As I mentioned earlier, Homosexuality is condemned as a sin in both Old Testament and New Testament

Leviticus 18 and Romans 1 come to mind, but it is also mentioned elsewhere in the New Testament.

[geoking66]

Originally posted by Sticks
OK

First of all I do not like the word Homophobia, as it implies people are scared of men, if you look at the Greek origins of how the word breaks down.

Homo = Man (See Homo Sapien, Homo Erectus, Homo Hibilis)

Phobia = Fear (See Phobos the attendent of Mars)

What you are talking about are people who hate homosexuals and lesbians.

Incidentally the legislation we had was against only men and there never were any restrictions on women because when the laws were brought in, Queen Victoria refused to believe Lesbianism existed.

On another point, there are religions, notable the monotheistic religions that have laws against certain sexual practices, not just homosexual practice. The laws in Leviticus 18 come to mind.

I can not speak for Judaism and Islam, but we also see homosexual practice condemnned in the New Testament, notably Romans 1:24-27

There is no way arround it, the Bible labels Homosexual practice as sin, just as it labels other things as sin. What ever their feelings or inclination to "Live and let live", Christians are bound by that law.

That said, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 points out that people can repent from that, which is what haters over look. Biblically people can change, so hating people is still wrong.

I've never understood the Bible logic. First, the Bible is NOT a definitive source for laws. Second, if you play an instrument, work on a Sunday, wearing pants if you're a woman, et alii you're supposed to go to hell, but Christians do that all the time…

Also, the Classics person in me wants you to know that "homo" is Latin.

[rayheartbliss]

Originally posted by Annie
My dad is homophobic which I don't understand as my little brother is gay. My dad once said to me when I was 13 "I wouldnt mind if you were pregnant as a teen but if you ever came home and said you were a lesbian I would throw you out"
Lucky I aint then eh?!

But I think in the older generation its because it was always frowned upon. Its always said to be against the bible which may be where my dad is coming from.

I love the fact that my brother is gay though as I am happy that he is confident enough in himself to do what he wants to do even though he knew my dads feelings.

I also love gay guys - more the camp gay to be honest - they are just always so bubbly and enjoyers of life and thats nice to see.

most gays i've seen are also
pr*cks like most straight boy! XD

[Tom]

Originally posted by geoking66

I've never understood the Bible logic. First, the Bible is NOT a definitive source for laws. Second, if you play an instrument, work on a Sunday, wearing pants if you're a woman, et alii you're supposed to go to hell, but Christians do that all the time…

Also, the Classics person in me wants you to know that "homo" is Latin.

Where do you think laws came from? The Bible enforced moral laws, which subsequently because legal laws when they were introduced many years ago. They've been adapted over the decades to fit our lifestyles. At one point the laws would have been what the Bible said.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by geoking66
I've never understood the Bible logic. First, the Bible is NOT a definitive source for laws. Second, if you play an instrument, work on a Sunday, wearing pants if you're a woman, et alii you're supposed to go to hell, but Christians do that all the time…

Also, the Classics person in me wants you to know that "homo" is Latin.

I concede that Homo is from the Latin, I should have realised when I was listing those names of men and so called fossil man, species names are always given in Latin



This makes the word homophobia even more odd, as Phobia comes from the Greek. So we have a word that is a combination of both Latin and Greek.

Is that allowed in English?

As for the other points, sorry about this but I do need to respond here.

For the Christian, it is the New Testament that we use for law in matters of faith, worship and moral guidance. The Old Testament is for teaching now, since the old law was nailed to the cross when Jesus died. (Colossians 2:14), so even the ten commandments strictly speaking no longer apply, however most of them were copied across into the New Covenant, only one was not copied across.

This leads on to one of the other points raised, working on Sunday. The Sabbath commandment, was never copied across into the new covenant, so it does not apply. Also the Sabbath was for the last day of the week, which is Saturday. Christians meet on Sunday, which is the first day of the week, (See Acts 20:7)

The one of women wearing trousers, I do believe you are referring to Deuteronomy 22:5 which prohibited cross dressing. Once again, Old Law.

This leaves playing an instrument. Well according to the New Testament, there is no authorisation for the use of musical instruments in worship. Outside of worship, not a problem.

Now as for Hell, that is actually what happens to those who reject the Gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9), but according to the New Testament, that is not what God wants for anyone (See 2 Peter 3:9) which was why he sent his son (John 3:16)

Getting back on topic, there are people who hold to a religious belief, and in that system homosexuality is considered a sin. However, going around beating people up and discriminating against people is also not allowed, so hating people should not be the order of the day.

[AngRemembered]

Jesus came to fulfill the mosaic law, and open the way for Gods chosen people to come from all races and creeds across the new and changing world the new found christianity would influence.

Its not surprising our modern english words are Latin and Greek influenced as they more than any world powers formed the backbone of language across europe where the empires of this modern world later extended across the globe.

In christianity we have few laws as such, as Jesus showed his followers principles which were of better vlaue and are much tougher to break.
In the Jewish law you treated others as you would have them treat you.
An easy loop hole as Jews shared amongst thier closest and a selfish attitude became the consequence, so if you had 2 loaves you could share with your brother and eat youself.
Jesus however showed us principles to love others as I have loved you, now given you have one loaf you go without and your brother is fortunate to be able to eat that day, a principle is always much tighter morally and personally to hold close to your heart, as Jesus "laid down his life for his friends"

So to the laws regarding immoral conduct, of whatever description, Jesus answered those about to stone a prostitute with the words, "let he without sin caste the first stone", Jesus told them he wasnt there to "judge" just as others who had now left were no longer in judgement.
However Jesus asked her to go make peace with God who would be her only judge as to what her heart condition is.
So too we must not be judges, whatever the views on the practise of homo sexuality it is not for man to judge, and those that throw any figurative verbal stone are foolish indeed for doing so.

[Sticks]

Much of that I could go along with, when Jesus came the first time, it was not to judge but to save, but read John 12:48 (If I have that citation right), as it says there is a judge for those who do not heed the word, even though it won't be any of us.

We are not to cast judgements, Romans 14 makes that quite clear, but the New Testament lays down specific rules for Christians to try and live by.