[Hugo]

Originally posted by DamonJ

But karma is something totally different entirely. You do not receive karma based on your post count, or get karma for making something for someone? Nor do you get any benifits for receiving karma. I don't see why everyone is so stuck in their mind that TiBB HAS to stay like it is at the moment, surely a trial version will not hurt anybody.

You tell 'em sister! =D

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : tooperfect

Those people who want a simple TiBB and just use the forum the so be it, but what about the people who do want a more complex forum ? The people who don't want it don't have to use it if they just want a simple forum. It won't effect those who don't want to and don't use it if it's there.

But what I don't understand is why making a new system which is the same as the previous one with no changes ? Just tell me because I don't get it. You want to create something that already exists but under another name.

[DamonJ]

And for people who are saying that the system will provoke more spamming posts, maybe. But it also may provoke more insightful discussions and events which you can participate in, so you are raising your post count in a good & happy way, a quick edit to the rules to make it clear that spamming is not allowed. Anyone spams, a straight and direct ban. Simple.

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

You have just said the reasons why Karma was created. So your new system is the same.
Karma for being nice, making interesting posts, rewarding someone for making you a banner or helping you out.

So as you said a forum being a popularity is bad, which is all karma really shows..popularity.

[Legend]

Originally posted by DamonJ

But whose to say that future applications will not benifit the forum? We haven't even trialled ANYTHING yet, and you can not base how it will work on how karma has worked of recent months. Some members seem too stubborn to want to experience change, and people have said that if a trial version doesn't work out they'd be willing for it to go.

Because it is the same principle, the same members are here, so of course they will abuse it. Plus, the forum is too cliquey as it is without adding another application to just further that.

And it's not about 'experiencing change', it's liking things how they are and knowing that for the last 3 years I've been here, the forum has worked really well as it is, keeping it simple. At the end of the day, it is a forum so why do we need to add 'money' to it? I just can't see how it will benefit the forum, I can't see how this addition will somehow increase the quality of posts, the members etc. I can see it causing a lot of people to spam and for the forum to get even more cliquey than it already is.

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

I think you said it perfectly mate.

Aye, but looks like we're in the minority on this one.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

But what I don't understand is why making a new system which is the same as the previous one with no changes ? Just tell me because I don't get it. You want to create something that already exists but under another name.

The current system does not allow you to buy any cool features from a shop like a Glowing Username, album covers and Starbucks?

I wish members would just stop trying to put a negative spin on this and re-read the original intention for this feature.

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

But what I don't understand is why making a new system which is the same as the previous one with no changes ? Just tell me because I don't get it. You want to create something that already exists but under another name.

It is different because you can benefit from this system whereas karma gets you nowhere.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : tooperfect

So as you said a forum being a popularity is bad, which is all karma really shows..popularity.

I never said it was bad, it's just the way it is used. People are complaining and you know it so as it's the same system as yours, people will still be complaining because 'Why don't I have money ???' What you said makes no sence, at all.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
, people will still be complaining because 'Why don't I have money ???' What you said makes no sence, at all.

Why would they? People get monye based on post count and being nice to people for example making graphics for people. If the member does not earn their money fair and square then it is their own fault, their moans will simply not be replied to. The members WITH money have the satisfaction of knowing they earnt it in the right way.

[Legend]

Originally posted by DamonJ

But karma is something totally different entirely. You do not receive karma based on your post count, or get karma for making something for someone? Nor do you get any benifits for receiving karma. I don't see why everyone is so stuck in their mind that TiBB HAS to stay like it is at the moment, surely a trial version will not hurt anybody.

Exactly, you don't recieve karma on your post count making karma better in that respect as it doesn't encourage spamming, the money feature will. And no, you don't recieve karma for making stuff for people, which again, makes it better IMO as not everybody is capable of making banners etc, so instantly it's unfair to those members.

Also, from where I'm sitting, you don't get any 'benefits' from this money system either? Some numbers next to your profile, but isn't that the same as karma? Does the Ł next to it suddenly make it a benefit?

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

I never said it was bad, it's just the way it is used. People are complaining and you know it so as it's the same system as yours, people will still be complaining because 'Why don't I have money ???' What you said makes no sence, at all.

The majority of the complaining threads about karma say, 'why is my karma so low, and why do people lower it?'. With the money, people wouldn't be able to lower it so its only used to reward people for positive things.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : DamonJ

Why would they? People get monye based on post count and being nice to people for example making graphics for people. If the member does not earn their money fair and square then it is their own fault, their moans will simply not be replied to. The members WITH money have the satisfaction of knowing they earnt it in the right way.

You used the same argument as people used for Karma and look at the result ! I mean, come on, you cannot deny it. Karma was supposed to be fair but a lot of members ganged up against some.
IMO it's pointless to get a new feature which is based on the same idea but a change to show 'it is different' when it's not.

[DamonJ]

tooperfect, we're obviously getting nowhere here. We obviously think this is a brilliant idea, whereas they don't, which is perfectly understandable, it's their opinion. We should just U2U the admin and then let them make the decisions from there.

[Legend]

Originally posted by tooperfect

Those people who want a simple TiBB and just use the forum the so be it, but what about the people who do want a more complex forum ? The people who don't want it don't have to use it if they just want a simple forum. It won't effect those who don't want to and don't use it if it's there.

Will it not? It will put me off visiting the board for a start.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Legend

Will it not? It will put me off visiting the board for a start.

And will make it duller to finish.

[Hugo]

Originally posted by DamonJ
tooperfect, we're obviously getting nowhere here. We obviously think this is a brilliant idea, whereas they don't, which is perfectly understandable, it's their opinion. We should just U2U the admin and then let them make the decisions from there.

Agreed. I think the majority want it anyway judging by this thread. =D

[Marc]

Introduce it!

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : tooperfect

Agreed. I think the majority want it anyway judging by this thread. =D

Wow, so you are basing it on 5 people ? (4 arguing at the moment)

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

Wow, so you are basing it on 5 people ? (4 arguing at the moment)

mhm.

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

Wow, so you are basing it on 5 people ? (4 arguing at the moment)

I'll start a poll then.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : tooperfect

I'll start a poll then.

That's a better way then. Let's do it.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Let's do it.

Would laughing at that be incredibly immature and stupid? And be an act equivalent to infant behaviour?

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : DamonJ

Would laughing at that be incredibly immature and stupid? And be an act equivalent to infant behaviour?

Sorry if I do agree with making a poll to see if the members want to see it happen or not.
Now you can laugh.

(What was funny about it anyway ?)

[Legend]

Originally posted by tooperfect

Agreed. I think the majority want it anyway judging by this thread. =D

Well if the admin are happy losing some members by adding it, then that is up to them and we'll soon see TiBB slowly turn into a joke.

I mean, it's a Big Brother forum, do we really need album covers and starbucks? Look at it realistically, we come here to discuss BB and then other shows and general chat, I really couldn't care less about my TiBB bank balance. Plus, I'd like to think the fact it will obviously encourage spamming will be enough to put the Admin off the idea.

[DamonJ]

*laughs*