[JOSHUAH!]

[Novo]

Originally posted by JOSHUAH!

Josh wants to do a mile run

[andyman]

Originally posted by JOSHUAH!

Why the ?

[Magic]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
not being funny as i find all very upsetting whats happening with innocents dying etc but surely its not our problem as such and we should be worried more about our own country than one the other side of the world like i say i dont agree with the attacks the killings of innocents etc

I dont want to sound argumentative, but I think this is a completly ignorant and rather rude statement to make. Wherever we live, we all share problems, and our world ending 'credit crunch' is just a spec of dust in comparrison to what is happening over there.

And I think the BBC are right to remaina neutral source.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think we have so much poverty and deprivation in our own country that its a shame people are not a little more focused on what is happening here.

Most of the money raised will never reach the people it is intended to help in Gaza, it is so currupt over there that much of it will be sidetracked into military coffers.

Again this is shockingly ignorant.

The 'poverty' is non-existent compared to what happens there. Look out your ****ing window, do you see people dying, starving, people being murdered?

Those that suffer in our country do have access to means for survival, and the suffering here is primitive compared to what happens overseas.

Some people IMO need to open their eyes.

[andyman]

No hamas means peace for all and a good future for all!

Aslong hamas have power and grip the people with pure fear then many more people are going to die.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by arista




And the People of Gaza
never asked for this.
That is a Fact.



Good on Ch4 /ITV and Five
for helping.

The people of Gaza voted Hamas in. They inflicted a deadly racist regime like Hamas on to their children.

Think about it. If you invite satan to tea don't be surprised if hell comes along too.....


As for charities being able to prevent Hamas from using fund money.......That is just plain wishful thinking and a million gullable miles from reality......

[arista]

Sure the Yanks kept Warmonger Bush in.
Most never wanted a Illegal Invasion of Iraq
but they kept him in.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Magic

Again this is shockingly ignorant.

The 'poverty' is non-existent compared to what happens there. Look out your ****ing window, do you see people dying, starving, people being murdered?

Those that suffer in our country do have access to means for survival, and the suffering here is primitive compared to what happens overseas.

Some people IMO need to open their eyes.

My eyes are wide open thanks, I have my views, you have yours. It is only ignorant when I make a post without being armed with the facts. I am armed with them and still choose to want things made better in our own country instead of getting involved in something that will rage on for years without resolution because both sides are unprepared to see things from the other side.

As for money not being given to the military, it isnt really a choice, they take what they want and we will have not control over it.

I do feel for the people in Gaza but I equally care about the state of our already fragile economy that is forcing more and more people out of work daily and into potential poverty. We can little afford to be involved in financially aiding another country when ours is in such a terrible state itself.

I already donate money to several charities on a monthly basis, they are charities that help the starved, beaten children of this country so an unprepared to give any further even as a one off.

[arista]

That is is very good of you Sunny.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by arista
That is is very good of you Sunny.

You trying to be sarcastic? I give to whatever cause I see fit to with my own money, and need no shaking heads or sarcastic comments about it.

[Z]

Originally posted by Magic

Again this is shockingly ignorant.

The 'poverty' is non-existent compared to what happens there. Look out your ****ing window, do you see people dying, starving, people being murdered?

Those that suffer in our country do have access to means for survival, and the suffering here is primitive compared to what happens overseas.

Some people IMO need to open their eyes.

We in the U.K. are, in general, lucky enough to (for the most part) have access to homes to live in. People die, people starve, and people get murdered behind closed doors. Just because it's not splashed on the news, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. We hear of deaths all the time on the news, and our troops get killed when we decide to go charging in to help somebody else. I think it's equally as ignorant to challenge Sunny like that, when she's got her own opinion and so do you.

People that suffer in our country don't always have access to the means to survive. Why do you think homeless people are homeless? It's not a choice; they are stuck in an endless cycle of poverty and can not get out of it. If it was that easy, they wouldn't be on the streets. Do you give money to every homeless person you see in the street? If you do, only then can you truly say the things you said re: the Gaza crisis, because it's all very well to care about something, but it's another thing entirely to accuse people of needing to open their eyes about what's going on around them - we all do.



I still don't think we should be concerned with the Gaza Strip situation, I think that we, the U.K., need to let somebody else handle this one. We already made a mess of Iraq, there is no need for us to go charging into Israel and make more enemies.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by JOSHUAH!
Andyman, may I just ask you.

How do you actually feel about the young children now, who have no food water and medical supplies?

Yes, you can blame the Palestinians for voting in Hamas, but surely not those innocent children?

Those innocent children can't vote anyway, so it doesn't particularly matter. There's harsh casualties in any war, and it just goes to show how stupid Hamas are to pick continually at Israel when Israel are much stronger and well-armed than they are.

If you were 4 foot 8 and picked a fight with a 6ft 8 professional wrestler, you'd have to be an idiot and would quite frankly deserve the consequences.

[arista]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

You trying to be sarcastic? I give to whatever cause I see fit to with my own money, and need no shaking heads or sarcastic comments about it.

No not at all.


I think if anyone gives to a cause
it makes you a better person.
Respect to you.

[andyman]

Hamas have started to attack Israel troops on the boarder! Again!!

Hamas will never stop, Iran will never stop supporting hamas!
Gaza is best having a bomb dropped on it... Harsh? Its the only way to stop the hamas rats!

[Magic]

Originally posted by andyman
Hamas have started to attack Israel troops on the boarder! Again!!

Hamas will never stop, Iran will never stop supporting hamas!
Gaza is best having a bomb dropped on it... Harsh? Its the only way to stop the hamas rats!

Thats a utterly thoughtless statement.

[andyman]

Originally posted by Samuel

Thats a utterly thoughtless statement.

No its not! Go back to your music thread.

[Magic]

Originally posted by andyman

No its not! Go back to your music thread.

I dont post in music much, I am even more worthless that that, and hang out in Chat and Games.

So that just shows how stereotypical you are, and how worthless your statement was, as it wasn't it worth a developed response.

[letmein]

Originally posted by bananarama

The people of Gaza voted Hamas in. They inflicted a deadly racist regime like Hamas on to their children.

Think about it. If you invite satan to tea don't be surprised if hell comes along too.....


As for charities being able to prevent Hamas from using fund money.......That is just plain wishful thinking and a million gullable miles from reality......

There's a reason why they voted for Hamas. They picked their craziest, to fight against the other craziest. Both sides are equally to blame.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by arista

No not at all.


I think if anyone gives to a cause
it makes you a better person.
Respect to you.

Sorry I jumped on you following the tone of this thread and was unfair to do that. I just get really upset as I give a fair sum each month to 3 charities to try and make a very small difference.

[ange7]

Originally posted by 30stone
MM why should we in the recession we are in contibute to somthing that has nothing to do with us?

so your asking " what's in it for me?" nice...
ok..because peace and security in the middle east benefits you. When Moslem fundamentalist go recruiting for suicide bombers in Gaza do you think they'd get many takers if the countries future is rosy?. Currently they don't see " made in the uk" on food parcels or aid etc ... they see " made in the uk" on weapons and handcuffs.

And please don't compare the hardship in the uk in recession with the hardship in Gaza. Even if you did have a family of 5 and were living in a park in a bif UK city you'd still have a welfare system in the to support you.
Why do people think you have to ration kindness ... if you can help people in the UK and overseas then why not. If you can't afford to then don't.... but to say this person or that ought not get ANY help is pretty cold.

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Hamas fire rockets from schools, hide weapons in peoples homes and hospitals... They are thugs that use fear to control the people of gaza.. Sending money to Gaza will only fall into the wrong hands and will give Hamas greater power to control the people that they use as pawns!

this is the other rubbish argument for not sending money. "Hamas will use it to continue it's war". Aid agencies don't give cash to Hamas, they spend the money themselves ( locally when possible) to build schools, hospitals etc. Obviously there needs to be some Hamas involvement as far as planning goes. With 5 or 6 aid agencies all planning to build schools, clinics etc there's a possibility that the cash will be wasted by doubling up on services. If the planning of where it all goes isn't organised they'd be huge wastage. And believe it or not this is one of Hamases roles...Hamas aren't just a terror organisation they are, for better or worse, the government and welfare state. They provide welfare payouts, fund schools... the lot. Usually from cash via Iran and Saudie money too. That's why they are so loved despite being equally responsible for bringing so much death to it's people. Isreal are in effect keeping Hamas in power by further radicalising the population... Humas knows this and dolls out the Iranian and Saudie money and says.”see only we care... the west and Isreal hate you” Hamas were the winners in that last war... the civilians were again the biggest losers.

[ange7]

Originally posted by JOSHUAH!
Andyman, may I just ask you.

How do you actually feel about the young children now, who have no food water and medical supplies?

Yes, you can blame the Palestinians for voting in Hamas, but surely not those innocent children?

dude you didn't answer this one...

[andyman]

And who keeps breaking the peace?...

[ange7]

Originally posted by Shaun

Those innocent children can't vote anyway, so it doesn't particularly matter. There's harsh casualties in any war, and it just goes to show how stupid Hamas are to pick continually at Israel when Israel are much stronger and well-armed than they are.

If you were 4 foot 8 and picked a fight with a 6ft 8 professional wrestler, you'd have to be an idiot and would quite frankly deserve the consequences.

this is the guy that believes in creationism (scary!)... calls himself a Christian ( please stop that...your embarrassing me)...and who's line "those innocent children can't vote anyway, so it doesn't particularly matter." makes no sense at all and if anything backs JOSHUAHs point of view instead of it being the smack down he'd hoped for :P