[Sticks]

Those so called gospels are not there because they contained things inconsistent with others. A number of them were produced by the gnostics which was an insipid heresy that considered all matter evil, yet in Genesis one when God looks at creation he said that it was good.

[Princess]

Not at all religious. I'm baptised,communion and confirmation but only go to church for weddings/funerals now.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Princess
Not at all religious. I'm baptised,communion and confirmation but only go to church for weddings/funerals now.

What turned you off?

You say you got confirmed, which suggests for a time you may have been a regular attender in order to do the confirmation classes.

[Mark]

I was baptised, christened and confirmed as a child.

Yet I'm one of the biggest athiests I know.

[Sticks]

Conversely I used to be an atheist

From my understanding of certain physical constants and the Anthropic Cosmological principal, it seems quite clear there is a God.

BTW the ACP was invented by atheists, and there's the rub

[Mark]

It doesn't seem quite clear to me

Faith and belief based on a book. A book that is word of mouth and fables written 2000 years ago. Some parts of the bible they don't even know who wrote them as far as I know.. "Probably moses"... a brilliant foundation to set your beliefs! Christianity is the scientology of the past, which has somehow forced it's way into modern society because of it's popularity and it's following.

Christianity isn't even the full belief of the bible, which is not only convenient (because the world would be mess if everyone went around raping, murdering, casting plague and enforcing the lack of womens rights). It's an easy escape to say "It shouldn't be taken literally". It shouldn't be taken literally because it's a book of fiction.

It's a scare tactic of telling people they will go to hell if they don't "join".

Athiesm: A non-profit organisation.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Sticks
Those so called gospels are not there because they contained things inconsistent with others. A number of them were produced by the gnostics which was an insipid heresy that considered all matter evil, yet in Genesis one when God looks at creation he said that it was good.

yeh inconsistent with the political/social situation of the time...they picked the interpretations that suited and the most powerful people of the time agreed with.

I believe Jesus was no doubt a good man, like mother teresa et al...but son of god and all the rest...language of a different time taken too literally in my opinion

[ange7]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

yeh inconsistent with the political/social situation of the time...they picked the interpretations that suited and the most powerful people of the time agreed with.

I believe Jesus was no doubt a good man, like mother teresa et al...but son of god and all the rest...language of a different time taken too literally in my opinion

awww netto!
don't you trust the pope? hehe

[ange7]

Originally posted by Mark
It doesn't seem quite clear to me

Faith and belief based on a book. A book that is word of mouth and fables written 2000 years ago. Some parts of the bible they don't even know who wrote them as far as I know.. "Probably moses"... a brilliant foundation to set your beliefs! Christianity is the scientology of the past, which has somehow forced it's way into modern society because of it's popularity and it's following.

Christianity isn't even the full belief of the bible, which is not only convenient (because the world would be mess if everyone went around raping, murdering, casting plague and enforcing the lack of womens rights). It's an easy escape to say "It shouldn't be taken literally". It shouldn't be taken literally because it's a book of fiction.

It's a scare tactic of telling people they will go to hell if they don't "join".

Athiesm: A non-profit organisation.

you can set your watch by this guys anti religious hate rants

[arista]

Originally posted by Mark
I was baptised, christened and confirmed as a child.

Yet I'm one of the biggest athiests I know.

Thats because you are most wise
and above these God Losers.


There is No God.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks
Conversely I used to be an atheist

From my understanding of certain physical constants and the Anthropic Cosmological principal, it seems quite clear there is a God.

BTW the ACP was invented by atheists, and there's the rub

Could ACP not be explained easier by the fact that we don't know all about the Universe and it's structure.

We say the Universe is too finely tuned to life to have happened without intelligent thought - but is the "fundamental power" argument not just a cop out for something we can't explain?

(I only know minimal amounts about ACP, so there is a high chance there could be a further explanation for this if you'd be willing to explain to me, Sticks).

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ange7

awww netto!
don't you trust the pope? hehe

That popes evil look at his eyes! lol...I quite liked the last one he looked like my grandad

[Sticks]

Lauren

When I first heard the ACP, it was long before ID, and the Horizon programme never referred to any spiritual leaders, only physicists.

It was eye opening to say the least.

[Tom4784]

Originally posted by arista

Thats because you are most wise
and above these God Losers.


There is No God.

Our Arista, so respectful and accepting of other people's opinions and beliefs.

[Mark]

Originally posted by ange7

you can set your watch by this guys anti religious hate rants

[Mark]

http://www.money.co.uk/article/10033...well-spent.htm

Money well spent.

[LemonJam]

I come from a very religious family and if I told my mum I didn't believe it, we'd probably fall out, so I just do what makes her happy.

Although I don't really believe in God, I think that in general it shows great guidlines on how people should live and people should really take it in.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Mark

hehehe
now it's "Jesus time" all the time!
I have one of these watches. It comes with stopwatch that makes the eye flash red when you set it to "Armageddon". :P

[ange7]

Originally posted by Dezzy

Our Arista, so respectful and accepting of other people's opinions and beliefs.

yeah I reported him for that....no effect since Mark loves to Christian bash too hehe

[NettoSuperstar!]

Arista the all knowing lol....No god, no black monks back in the day, Labour to blame for WORLD wide recession....

[Tom]

Originally posted by Mark
It doesn't seem quite clear to me

Faith and belief based on a book. A book that is word of mouth and fables written 2000 years ago. Some parts of the bible they don't even know who wrote them as far as I know.. "Probably moses"... a brilliant foundation to set your beliefs! Christianity is the scientology of the past, which has somehow forced it's way into modern society because of it's popularity and it's following.

Christianity isn't even the full belief of the bible, which is not only convenient (because the world would be mess if everyone went around raping, murdering, casting plague and enforcing the lack of womens rights). It's an easy escape to say "It shouldn't be taken literally". It shouldn't be taken literally because it's a book of fiction.

It's a scare tactic of telling people they will go to hell if they don't "join".

Athiesm: A non-profit organisation.

Did you know that there is evidence supporting that some things which happened, and apparently Jesus also existed? Whether he is who he says he is and whether the things happened due to God or something else are completely different matters but to dismiss it all as fiction is just mad and just shows your ignorance in the wide scale of things.

I love how in the past you said you hate brainwashing where religious people try and get people to turn to Christianity or whatever. I bet you wouldn't be against brainwashing of atheism though would you, and a lot of your arguments can be turned right back around on you.

EDIT: Ha I sound like a member of the God squad. I'm agnostic

[Princess]

Originally posted by Sticks

What turned you off?

You say you got confirmed, which suggests for a time you may have been a regular attender in order to do the confirmation classes.

I got confirmed when I was 11,I saw sense when I was no longer a child.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Tom

Did you know that there is evidence supporting that some things which happened, and apparently Jesus also existed? Whether he is who he says he is and whether the things happened due to God or something else are completely different matters but to dismiss it all as fiction is just mad and just shows your ignorance in the wide scale of things.

I love how in the past you said you hate brainwashing where religious people try and get people to turn to Christianity or whatever. I bet you wouldn't be against brainwashing of atheism though would you, and a lot of your arguments can be turned right back around on you.

EDIT: Ha I sound like a member of the God squad. I'm agnostic

You don't sound like a member of the God squad

I understand how I look ignorant with my beliefs, but it's nowhere near the scale of ignorance in believing in the christian god as our creator. That belief is saying that the muslim god, the hindu god, all these other gods don't exist (christian god says you mustn't obey other gods, right?). Who's ignorant now?

An athiests view is that "god probably doesnt exist", and the chance is so ridiculously small. I can't speak for others, but I am somewhat open to the idea of 'intelligent design', although I haven't really delved into it much. The problem with intelligent design, is christians like to grab onto it like it's some sort of proof of their god - when in actuality is holds absolutly no relation to it whatsoever.
Let's say, for arguements sake, that intelligent design is proven in our existance. That in no way proves any sort of god. If our existance is proven by way of intelligence that any human being can't even begin to comprehend, there are a trillian things it could be. The possibilites are endless. And while a god may be on of those possibilities, its so unlikely and theres no reason to favour something over another that we can't comprehend.

Christians like to say the bible is historically acurate... it takes place in real world locations, and covered events that really happened... big deal. Cloverfield (the film) is based in New York, and New York is a real city. That doesn't prove big monsters are going around smashing up buildings. The titanic really happened, it doesn't mean some of those characters in the film Titanic really existed.

god is supposed to be all powerful, all knowing and is everywhere at once. So for in order for the christian god to be real, he must be all those three things... he can't be one without the other.
Usually when an athiest challenges this, a thiest will back up into the idea of free will ... which sets both sides into an arugment over determanism. There's however one moment in our lives which we hold no free will over.... that's when you are born. Under the rules of christianity , god chooses when you are conceived... that's his act of will, not yours. So since god is supposedely all knowing, he therefore knew even before I was born that I was going to grow up a christian, then turn to an athiest, and then I'll die and go to hell. Under the rules of christianity, he's also a loving god and doesn't want this to happen to me. If god doesn't want me to go to hell, why throw me into a chain of events that will ultimatly lead me there? Even though I am making these choices from my own free will, god is still creating me to burn in hell. god knows exactly what's going to happen to me, before he even creates me.. BUT he doesn't want these things to happen. He creates me, then blames, punishes and burns his creation for doing what he knew was going to happen before he even created it? Hows that for sensless and selfishness

Even though everyone in this world has 'free will', god knows everything that is going to happen (all knowing). You can't catch him out. So god knows every choice I'm going to make in my life, in a chain of events. It's not a choice of a million things, which eventually leads to one outcome... it's one possiblity, and one outcome. And you can't leave, or change any of those actions, because god would no longer be all knowing. I just randomly, through seemingly a choice of my own blinked 5 times in a row... was this my choice or gods?

Your ticket into athiesm is not proving whether god exists, (because lets face it, who's going to change from a christian to an athiest from just reading this.. no-one), it is proving that god just isn't even worth believing in.

So it's easy to call me ignorant for bashing christianity, and say I'm ignorant in the wide scale of things... In the wide scale of things, there are a trillion possible reasons for our existance, most of which we probably can't even comprehend. Christianity is pointing out just 1 of those trillion things and saying it is correct. Athiesm is saying that 1 thing is not correct.

I'm ignorant on the wide scale of things? I think you mistook me for a christian.

[Shaun]

My friend stopped some mormons yesterday. I really dislike discussing religion, I find it very dull as it's the same argument of "there's no proof vs. YEAH BUT WE BELIEVE!!!" in circles.

They were lovely people, but they had no answers for a few things we came up - eg. the omnipotence thing (can God create a stone which is too heavy for him to lift?) and some other stuff about being all-loving yet testing our faith etc.

It was a nice little experience, and I don't take the fact that some pigeons flew over and pooed on one of them lightly. Religious evidence if ever there was any

[Mark]

Originally posted by Shaun
eg. the omnipotence thing (can God create a stone which is too heavy for him to lift?)

Hah, I haven't heard that one before... I like it