[Nurse57]

Way back you mentioned water to back up your argument. I am not sure what you mean by this. Are you saying the black people who traveled 1000's of mile to get to England could not move about 100 miles inland over the next 1000 years?

The next bit of text talks of a black Moor knight.

Few documents portray the ethnicity of the Moors in medieval Europe with more passion, boldness and clarity than the epic of Morien. Morien is a metrical romance rendered into English prose from the medieval Dutch version of the Lancelot. In the Lancelot, it occupies more than five thousand lines and forms the ending of the first extant volume of that compilation. Neither the date of the original poem or the name of the author is known. The Dutch manuscript is dated to the beginning of the fourteenth century. The whole work is a translation, and apparently a very faithful translation, of a French original. It is quite clear that the Dutch compiler understood his text well, and though possibly somewhat fettered by the requirement of turning prose into verse, he renders it with uncommon fidelity.

Morien is the adventure of a splendidly heroic Moorish knight (possibly a Christian convert) supposed to have lived during the days of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Sir Morien is described as follows: "He was all black, even as I tell ye: his head, his body, and his hands were all black, saving only his teeth. His shield and his armour were even those of a Moor, and black as a raven."

Initially in the adventure Morien is simply called "the Moor." He first challenges, then battles, and finally wins the unqualified respect and admiration of Sir Lancelot. In addition, Morien is extremely forthright and articulate. Sir Gawain, whose life was saved on the battlefield by Sir Morien, is stated to have "harkened, and smiled at the black knight's speech." It is noted that Morien was as "black as pitch; that was the fashion of his land--Moors are black as burnt brands." And again: "His teeth were white as chalk, otherwise was he altogether black." "Morien, who was black of face and limb," was a great warrior, and it is said that: "His blows were so mighty; did a spear fly towards him, to harm him, it troubled him no whit, but he smote it in twain as if it were a reed; naught might endure before him." Ultimately, and ironically, Sir Morien came to personify all of the finest virtues of the knights of the European Middle Ages.

As a sort of concluding note, the English ethnologist and antiquarian scholar Gerald Massey (writing in 1881 in his massive two-volume text, A Book of the Beginnings) noted that, "Morion is said to have been the architect of Stonehenge.... Now, as a negro is still known as a Morien in English, may not this indicate that Morien belonged to the Black race, the Ku****e builders?" It should be further added, according to Dr. Jack Forbes in his scholarly work Black Africans and Native Americans, "that for a very long period the Dutch language used Moor and Moriaan for Black Africans." Among the Lorma community in modern Liberia, the name Moryan is still prominent.

SOURCE:
Morien
Nature Knows No Color-Line, By J.A. Rogers


Please note "possibly a Christian convert" Can you please post where you get your infomation that there were no black monks. I will happily admit I am wrong if you can show me the evidance.

[Nurse57]

Just realised you have moved your stance from "black men" to "black monks" So from that I can take it you acsept that there were black people in England at that time.

I have to wonder, would you be happy if the part was played by a white man? What with you wanting it to be historicaly correct and everything.

If so how does this fit with you.

"A friar with Robin's band in the historical period of Richard the Lion-Hearted would have been impossible, because the period predates friars in England"

So in a round about way you are right. Friar Tuck would not have been black as he would not have existed in the first place.

With this in mind the only way to please you would be if any referance to Friar Tuck was removed from the made up story in the first place.

[ange7]

wow your ownage is complete arista.
lol he even gave you a source to back it up. Personally I going to go find out more about this "Morien" guy. I love these little lost snippets of history or myth that turn stereotypes upside down.

[pinkmichk]

i cant even believe this is being discussed have we time travelled to a time when racism and stuff was huge arista you need to read stuff people put instead my views are the right ones even if i have nothing to back them up but hey you've been discrimatory about disabled and other groups might as well add this to it when you yourself said it doesnt look right

[arista]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
i cant even believe this is being discussed have we time travelled to a time when racism and stuff was huge arista you need to read stuff people put instead my views are the right ones even if i have nothing to back them up but hey you've been discrimatory about disabled and other groups might as well add this to it when you yourself said it doesnt look right

I read a Great Deal.

This is to do with the BBC looking like they employ everyone.

Nothing at all to do with Any Kind of Racism.
I said that on my first post on this thread.


This is my view
you do noy have to worry about it.

[andyman]

Arista, this thread should be in Chat & Games...
You can't even back up your "views" with any facts! So what is your view based on?

[arista]

Originally posted by andyman
Arista, this thread should be in Chat & Games...
You can't even back up your "views" with any facts! So what is your view based on?

You nutter
This was Just on BBC1 Points Of View.
I was ****ing Right.


Even The BBC now back me.

[Tom4784]

Nurse, Ange, Pinky, Andyman.

I salute you.

[arista]

Originally posted by Dezzy
Nurse, Ange, Pinky, Andyman.

I salute you.

Shame You just missed BBC1 Points Of View
who said Sorry for the Historical errors.
Showing the Black actor as well.
FACT.

The BBC now Back me
young Dezzy.

[andyman]

Arista, can you back your "views" up? Points of view is a tv program, i need some facts, which you have failed again to show in this thread.

[pinkmichk]

wow thats the biggest u turn ever thought you hated the bbc

[andyman]

Arista must be doing a major google hunt..

If he can show hard facts then fair play, but just posting opinions does not count as facts.

[arista]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
wow thats the biggest u turn ever thought you hated the bbc

Wrong I hate the BBC Tax.
I was in Central London last week
finding out the Future of the BBC.


And Now from the BBC show Points Of View
I am 100% Correct.


Case Closed.

[arista]

Originally posted by andyman
Arista, can you back your "views" up? Points of view is a tv program, i need some facts, which you have failed again to show in this thread.

You can Watch it on their Website.

This is Good News for this Post
as they got it wrong and said sorry.

It was at the very end of that show.


It is now for all to view.


Andyman
get over this.
You are out of your Depth.

[arista]

Originally posted by andyman
Arista must be doing a major google hunt..

If he can show hard facts then fair play, but just posting opinions does not count as facts.

Wrong Again 100%
Now the BBC back this thread.

[andyman]

hahahahaha.... Arista you are so funny!

You make a thread that you know nothing about, nor do you provide the thread with hard facts to back up your "views".

You have a right to post your views even though they are invalid and pointless, back it up with facts then it becomes valid.

[arista]

Originally posted by andyman
hahahahaha.... Arista you are so funny!

You make a thread that you know nothing about, nor do you provide the thread with hard facts to back up your "views".

You have a right to post your views even though they are invalid and pointless, back it up with facts then it becomes valid.

Today Live On BBC1
they backed me up.
Fact.


So this thread is 100% Valid.


You missed the show
so go find there Site and bleedin' watch it.
It is the very last bit of todays show.

[andyman]

Ok ok, don't get your aura in a twist!

[pinkmichk]

wonder how many arm chair complainers have moaned about this people need to find better things to complain about

[arista]

Originally posted by andyman
Ok ok, don't get your aura in a twist!

My Aura Is Fine
and you Aura is very Happy.

[andyman]

Originally posted by arista

My Aura Is Fine
and you Aura is very Happy.

Well thank you kind sir.

[Nurse57]

First off, the program is called points of VIEW, not points of fact. The BBC with all the bashing they are getting at this moment in time would apologize for the holocoust if someone blamed them for it. I have not had a chance to watch it yet, but I shall. As I am happy to look at any new evidence that comes to light. Unlike some.

[Nurse57]

Ok, just watched it.

"This was Just on BBC1 Points Of View."

Yes Robin hood was on Points Of View.

"I was ****ing Right."

Err, no you are not.

First off. 3 viewers offered thier point of view.

1: "It saddens me that the legend as passed down the ages has changed beyond recognition. Had it been called Bobby Hat and set in Epping forest I would be quite happy."

Lets look at the main points. She has said she is saddened by the way that the legend has changed. Changed from what? Unless she is a renowned expert on the tales of Robin Hood the it would be a good guess that it has changed from the version she grew up with. Be that the Eroll Flynn film, Disney, ITV's Robin of Sherwood, Robin Hood prince of Thieves, Robin Hood Men in Tights, Maid Marrion and her Merry Men. The list goes on. Of course she may be on about tha tales as told by the village story teller back in 1256 AD that would bare no resemblance to any of the above.

She mentioned nothing about a black man playing Fryer Tuck.

2: "I spotted that Robin was carrying a strange "W" shaped bow. Why was he not useing an English (Welsh) longbow of Gwent?"

It looks like this chap knows his bows and the types of bow that would have been used at the time. I can go with that. I can only think he does not know or have a view of black people in the middle ages as he makes no mention of a black man playing Fryer Tuck.

3: "It's a shame the makers of this are too lazy to make an entertaining and some what factually correct series...... I'm just waiting for someone to say "High five" in this dopey show."

Let me get this right. He is waiting for someone to say "High five" in a programe he by his own admission does not find entertaining. Why is he watching? Turn over, read a book, go for a walk.

Dispite this person being a bit of a numpty for watching a progam they don't like so they can find something to complain about, they make no note of Fryer Tuckn being played by a black man.

So that is the 3 points that were aired. The BBC's response? They did not give one. They neither said sorry nor we are not sorry. Nothing. They just ended the program.

From what I can see, 3 people made note of the fact that there are historical mistakes in this light entertainment show. I can safely say we all agree with that point of view. But as there was no mention of, or apologie for a black man in Robin Hood, then your point is nul and void.

[andyman]

Not much but does point at the roman past.

Http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/s...show/nav.17488

[letmein]

Originally posted by arista

I was told about this while in London
it is not just me.


If it astounds you - OK.

But I Value English History.

We will end up like the Yanks who
re-write History and teach in a way that gives them the wrong
view.

Artista, every American is smarter than you, and I can back that up by pointing to your posts.

FACT.

Get lost.