[President]

If it was the live feed in CBB6 then why did the ratings not actually fall through the floor until the final week? The first week rated very well, the middle week OKish but nothing great and the last week awful. It was a rubbish series and was just generally boring.

Actually the first week didn't rate well. It averaged just 3.7m for the first week. The lowest first week average in many years.

BB10 has had one show so far. We won't get any indication how it will really do until Tuesday morning. Tonight is bound to be around 2m, but because Saturdays always are. Sunday has competition and is on too late, but even if it does do well it still probably won't be much of an indication because its a special show, so the next opportunity is most likely Monday night highlights. The ratings don't settle until about 2-3 weeks in anyway. They can go down, but they can go up as well. We'll just have to wait and see. Plus lets remember the 2.7m hasn't had the +1 added to it which is most likely to bring it up to at least 3m which makes the drop a fair bit smaller. Then with the official ratings about 2m will be lost from launch-highlights 1 which is about the same as most series'.

Why are you being so defensive of the poor ratings? Traditionally in the last few years, the 1st highlights show has been one of the most watched highlights show of the entire series.

It's all down hill from here on unfortunately, unless there's a huge twist or event. The lack of live feed has caused a bigger decline than it would naturally see had lf been there.

[ILoveFreddie]

Originally posted by Tom
Then as BB will be off air for almost 2 years (just postpone contract) then let the power of nostalgia work its magic ... and BB can come back with somewhat of a bang. atm its just fizzling out as it comes to the end and it isn't a very fitting end for a show that was once the most powerful show on TV and has been covered in controversy over the years.

That is a good point I hadn't thought about.

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
What you dont realise, and you probably will as the series goes on, is that even if you never watch LF, or only a few people watch it, they are the reason why a lot of viewers tune in to watch the highlights. Its kind of like preview, when you come to a forum and read that something interesting happened on LF. OR you read soemthing on the papers, or even hear through the grapevine, that something hapened. Thats what makes you want to watch the highlights the next day to see the clear picture. BEcause its never clear on LF, with sound cuts and stuff.

If you havent realised the importance of it yet, trust me, you will soon!!

Yes you are completely right!! And none watchers might be bored at home, flick on any channel, see someone on BB they find interesting, and then consequently want to watch the HL show!

[Ethan.k]

REDMOND....love your sig but if i could just say one little thing that I think would make it better is that you should put the pics of each of the 2 housemates below the eye of their series, eg put nick and craig over at the far left under their series eye and the two siloettes under the BB10 eye

[Wildcat!]

Simple, because he thought it would be different, and that the Lack of live fee wont affect the show that much. BUt he now realises that it does, and most people who where complaining were right and will be proven even more right as time oges on!!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

So it was just completely coincidental that the first h/l show of the series got 1.1m less than the same one last year? I think not. C4's official media sources have been besieged with complaints - that doesn't happen when only a minority of viewers are involved. People who rarely look on forums etc suddenly realised yesterday that the daytime LF is gone. No, not on the red button. Not online. Not a couple of hours on e4 in the afternoon - gone.

You're twisting facts to make them fit your argument. 0.8m less watched last year, the 2.7 doesn't include +1. I did say that the live feed will has an effect but not a considerable one- and its clear there that there has been some effect but roughly what I expected- 0.3m at the very most and I've said that time and time again. First highlights on Channel 4 alone last year seen a 33% drop, yesterday had a 44% drop so thats a further 11% which is roughly my prediction. The whole of the drop (which is what a lot of people are implying) is not due to the live feed. Plus you can't blame the whole 11% on the live feed anyway- some people might have been out, others not interested in the show, others forgot etc.

[Wildcat!]

None of the numbers include the +1 ratings. The 3.8 million from last years first HL shows, doesnt include the +1 ratings either. Thats a none argument!

[Tom]

Originally posted by President
Actually the first week didn't rate well. It averaged just 3.7m for the first week. The lowest first week average in many years.

It was still higher than the series average for BB9 and take out the failed show in the middle of the week and it is exactly the same as the start of BB9.

Originally posted by President
Why are you being so defensive of the poor ratings? Traditionally in the last few years, the 1st highlights show has been one of the most watched highlights show of the entire series.

It's all down hill from here on unfortunately, unless there's a huge twist or event. The lack of live feed has caused a bigger decline than it would naturally see had lf been there.

I'm not being as defensive as you think, I'm just refuting what people keep saying that the decline is purely to do with the live feed which it is not.

[ILoveFreddie]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atchaOK maybe when the numbers are in front of you, you will understand what people are talking about.

Series 8 (2007) - 4.0m
Series 9 (2008) - 3.8m
Series 10 (2009)- 2.7m

Power with statistics

[Redmond]

Originally posted by Ethan.k
REDMOND....love your sig but if i could just say one little thing that I think would make it better is that you should put the pics of each of the 2 housemates below the eye of their series, eg put nick and craig over at the far left under their series eye and the two siloettes under the BB10 eye

Ha, thanks. Maybe I'll have a play around with it.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
None of the numbers include the +1 ratings. The 3.8 million from last years first HL shows, doesnt include the +1 ratings either. Thats a none argument!

I think you'll find thats false. Just did a quick search.

http://archive.insidebigbrother.net/bb9/news/big-brother-drops-below-4m.ibb

[President]

It was still higher than the series average for BB9 and take out the failed show in the middle of the week and it is exactly the same as the start of BB9.

Well of course it was going to be higher than the series average for BB9. The BB9 series average was the lowest at the time, and usually the first weeks are higher than the series average of the previous summer series.

Also, it was launched in January when more people are watchign TV.

I'm not being as defensive as you think, I'm just refuting what people keep saying that the decline is purely to do with the live feed which it is not.

I don't think anyone said it's "only" down to live feed. But LF is definitely one of the major factor.

You keep changing your stance. Before the series you said 0.3m down would be OK. But now you're saying 1.1m down or whatever it is is fine.

It's the kind of desperation I would expect of a C4 staff member.

[Ethan.k]

Originally posted by Tom

I think you'll find thats false. Just did a quick search.

http://archive.removed.net/bb9/news/...s-below-4m.ibb

links broken tom...

[Tom]

URG. They've banned insidebigbrother. Put that instead of removed

[Ethan.k]

Originally posted by Redmond

Ha, thanks. Maybe I'll have a play around with it.

ok, im not criticising it, you just have the best sig on here and i think that that will be the cherry on top for melol...thanks

[Stentionhouse]

Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

[President]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

Apparently they are seriously considering BB All Stars for BB11. Do you think that would work?

By the way - you may remember pre-series I was defensive of Channel 4's decision to axe LF, but I've chnaged my mind. Terrible decision.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

So Channel 4 will just break a contract and have to pay out when they could air what is essentially a free show and get some money for it? OK then ...

[Redmond]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

Nah, they'll do the All Stars series, they think it is "the only viable option for BB11".

That will be how they go out.

[President]

Originally posted by Tom

So Channel 4 will just break a contract and have to pay out when they could air what is essentially a free show and get some money for it? OK then ...

It's not actually breaking a contract.

They can try re-negotiate the contract and there's probably a get-out clause if the show doesn't hit certain numbers.

[Tom]

Originally posted by President

It's not actually breaking a contract.

They can try re-negotiate the contract and there's probably a get-out clause if the show doesn't hit certain numbers.

But the key one is Endemol. If they don't budge then Channel 4 will either have to show it or pay out. Plus BB11 has already been confirmed.

[President]

Originally posted by Tom

But the key one is Endemol. If they don't budge then Channel 4 will either have to show it or pay out. Plus BB11 has already been confirmed.

You're wrong.

BB11 hasn't been 100% confirmed. It's written in the contract that they do BB11, but of course changes can happen like most contracts.

I hear from a very good source that Channel 4 had to extend this series by a week to compensate for the lack of live feed and Big Mouth, otherwise Endemol would not have allowed it.

So certain adaptations can occur.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President

Apparently they are seriously considering BB All Stars for BB11. Do you think that would work?

By the way - you may remember pre-series I was defensive of Channel 4's decision to axe LF, but I've chnaged my mind. Terrible decision.

I think an all stars would be interesting. But it would also be a ratings failure because C4 have alienated the core audience now. It's such a shame, it was a great show for a long time. On the bright side, there's a big old world full of other stuff out there

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom

So Channel 4 will just break a contract and have to pay out when they could air what is essentially a free show and get some money for it? OK then ...

It's not as simple as that. Endemol themselves are so concerned about the potential damage to the franchise that they may well end the contract by mutual agreement with C4.

[Nutters22000]

I miss live feed. Bring it back NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tom]

Originally posted by President

You're wrong.

BB11 hasn't been 100% confirmed. It's written in the contract that they do BB11, but of course changes can happen like most contracts.

I hear from a very good source that Channel 4 had to extend this series by a week to compensate for the lack of live feed and Big Mouth, otherwise Endemol would not have allowed it.

So certain adaptations can occur.

Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it. And if Endemol break the contract, they already have the money to pay back and would only have to give back so much of what C4 paid in correspondence to the series they haven't produced.

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

It's not as simple as that. Endemol themselves are so concerned about the potential damage to the franchise that they may well end the contract by mutual agreement with C4.

What, so they can pitch it to another broadcaster who probably won't take it, then essentially they're losing out? And if Sky do take it (as so many keep saying, its dead in the water just face it) it will go sub 1m and even Endemol would prefer it on Channel 4 even if the final peaks at 3m. Endemol probably know the show has no chance in the near future of being picked up by anyone, so they might as well have it milked for all its worth.