[AnitaBiernow]

"People seemed to smoke it for hundreds and thousands of years and live to old, healthy ages perfectley fine, until the turn of the 20th century. ****, what a coincidence!" --Stu


how funny. we still can't stop laughing at your 'scientific evidence'

yes, our ancestors sat around smoking weed for (what did you claim?) "hundreds and thousands of years" whilst fighting the ravages of starvation, disease, wars, etc.
right.

and, since when did our ancestors live to 'healthy' and 'old' ages?

the operative word you used in your argument: seemed.

duh.

still, thanks for the laughs!

[Stu]

Not our ancestors. Silly. Cannabis growth has never exactly thrived naturally in this climate. You clearly have no idea what your talking about.





Now, some more points, kids...

1. Your insulting me by assuming I cant have fun anywhere else just because I smoke.

2. You are also insulting me by making a big deal out of the fact that I am smoking something illegal, even though you have agreed that legal substances like Alcohol are far more harmful.

3. You still have not responded to my main argument that Cannabis becomes safer if legalised. Because you cant. Criminal drug gangs and Cannabis contamination are both far more dangerous than the threat of carcinogens from a plant people are going to smoke be it illegal or legal. Therefore, it becomes safer legal. More quality control. Taxes and profits to governments who can fund research and use the money to help hard drug problems. Or would you rather criminals kept the Cannabis profits?

4. You continue to both spell poor and make horrible assumptions [losers at the pub] on my entire personality and mode of lifestyle just because I choose to smoke a plant that damages nobody but me. Certainly not a show of braincells on your part.

5.......





Enjoy. And be sure to post back with your next point dodging, bullet munching, garbage spewing post. I plan to collect your posts, print them, and use the sheet as some form of rudimentary rolling paper in the future. You just got rattled by a stoner, baby.

[hannah.]

stu will you marry me please

[Stu]

Originally posted by hannah.
stu will you marry me please

Name your day. We can live fast and die young, baby .

[hannah.]

let's have a SPECIAL wedding cake

[Clockers]

Thanks for hjacking my thread guys, this was suppose to be about Karly, her arse and her smoking, now u made it into a topical debate about drugs.

I give my 2 pennies worth, as a reformed drug addict I can tell u that smoking cannabis ****s your brain up. My memory not the same as it use to be, i get pissed off when not smoking and cannot go day without getting high and must have a spliff before bed time. It was the hardest time in mylife to get off weed, I smoked it so much it was apart of my DNA.

Stu u worship the GRADE aka FOOD so much your signature is "Bong Brother". You obviously cannot live without and probably addicted to it. Cannabis is not cool, it does harm, and everyone i knew on it are ****ed up some way or another.

[Ketman]

Wow! If people have been smoking cannabis for "a mere 3 decades", I have to count myself highly privileged! I first smoked it in 1968. That dates me, doesn't it?

For what it's worth, I concur with Clockers. It *****s you up, alright. Luckily I kicked all that before my mid-twenties, with no harm done (I think). If you want to expand your mind, take up meditation. Don't mess with chemicals of any sort. And don't trust any ex-hippies except me.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Clockers
Thanks for hjacking my thread guys, this was suppose to be about Karly, her arse and her smoking, now u made it into a topical debate about drugs.

I give my 2 pennies worth, as a reformed drug addict I can tell u that smoking cannabis ***** your brain up. My memory not the same as it use to be, i get p****d off when not smoking and cannot go day without getting high and must have a spliff before bed time. It was the hardest time in mylife to get off weed, I smoked it so much it was apart of my DNA.

Stu u worship the GRADE aka FOOD so much your signature is "Bong Brother". You obviously cannot live without and probably addicted to it. Cannabis is not cool, it does harm, and everyone i knew on it are ****** up some way or another.

It's not my problem you had no control over a drug which causes mental cravings. I have very little sympathy for you their. How can you pass such a harsh judgement on me being an 'addict' when you dont even know me? I have been smoking it for 2 years and have often taken entire month long breaks just for the heck of it, so it is more fun the next time. Dont put me in the addict basket just because it is where you ended up.

Just because I am into it, believe in the culture, believe in the positive benefits of the plant, and campaign for it's legalisation so the majority who DONT get bloody addicted to it can freely smoke it without harrasment does not make me an addict, FFS.

[Tom]

I wish they all wouldn't smoke tbh, horrible habit. Suits Lisa though I suppose

[Stu]

Originally posted by Tom
I wish they all wouldn't smoke tbh, horrible habit. Suits Lisa though I suppose

Yeah I knew straight away she would be a smoker, some strange instinct. And the voice ... I suppose .

[Clockers]

Originally posted by Stu

It's not my problem you had no control over a drug which causes mental cravings. I have very little sympathy for you their. How can you pass such a harsh judgement on me being an 'addict' when you dont even know me? I have been smoking it for 2 years and have often taken entire month long breaks just for the heck of it, so it is more fun the next time. Dont put me in the addict basket just because it is where you ended up.

Just because I am into it, believe in the culture, believe in the positive benefits of the plant, and campaign for it's legalisation so the majority who DONT get bloody addicted to it can freely smoke it without harrasment does not make me an addict, FFS.

Calm down and have a spliff.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Clockers

Calm down and have a spliff.

What sort of an argument is that? Just because I gave you a debate you cant handle you twist it into me needing a spliff? To be honest, not only do I think that is incredibly stupid, but it is also just plain low.

I think playing with plastic cards with little numbers and shapes on them is dumb, but hey, you dont see me calling for the criminalising of Poker.

[Clockers]

Cannabis smokers seem to get irrate, you seem to remind me of the person I was. Reefer for life baby.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Clockers
Cannabis smokers seem to get irrate, you seem to remind me of the person I was. Reefer for life baby.

Irrate? We are in the middle of a debate you also hopped into. What do you expect me to do, give up all the views I expressed in the thread and agree with you even though I have no problems with my own personal use of the drug just so I can prove to some complete stranger I am not sucking cock down a back alley to get a smoke every four minuets?

Give me a break. Come on, man.

[Clockers]

In a deabte you should not call someone incredibly stupid, kinda rude. Anyway I am happy to say we have our own opinions on drug use, as reformed person I will always look at cannabis negatively because I could not live without whlist hooked. Neither could the people around me.

My old friends who did drugs are my friends no longer because we dont have anything in common anymore. They are and always will be cannabis junkies, constantly needing joints to get through the day.

I disagree with the whole lifestyle because I see things differently now.

Now my friend, if you ever get the munchies check this place out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbKRSYAuSNg

[Stu]

Originally posted by Clockers
In a deabte you should not call someone incredibly stupid, kinda rude. Anyway I am happy to say we have our own opinions on drug use, as reformed person I will always look at cannabis negatively because I could not live without whlist hooked. Neither could the people around me.

My old friends who did drugs are my friends no longer because we dont have anything in common anymore. They are and always will be cannabis junkies, constantly needing joints to get through the day.

I disagree with the whole lifestyle because I see things differently now.

Now my friend, if you ever get the munchies check this place out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbKRSYAuSNg

Mate, your making assumptions that I could be an addict. Do you honestly think I was not going to call you stupid? Fair is fair.

I understand where you are coming from with your argument, trust me. If you had no self control over the drug, for whatever reason, of course your going to look at it in a negative way.

My problem is not that. But can you at least accept that most people who smoke Cannabis dont become dependent? And that it is safer in a legal state? Why do we all have to suffer being branded as criminals just because you were addicted?

I have no problem with personal experiences, but when people use these personal experiences to justify going on a crusade against the drug then yes, I do have a problem, considering I am not the type of person who gets high on trying to control what others do. Cannabis is far better for that.

[AnitaBiernow]

Edited the first part of your post, insulting - 30stone.

for using the weak excuse how in the past ONLY the word's most wealthy and influencial
people, mings in China, writers, artists, poets, etc, had access to and could afford
recreational drugs, while also having access to a proper diet, doctors, medicines, etc
is irrelevant, irresponsible, narrow-minded and ignorant. WEAK case.

smoking weed has only been recreational for decades.

Only because of advancment in global travel have addicts been able to get access to illegal
drugs on the streets. Sixty years ago, I assure you, during WW2 in the era of
food rationing, I guarantee you that your grandparents choose not to neglect their
children in favour of scoring illegal drugs so they could ignore their
kids all night while they got a quick high (only to sleep in all morning and lie around all day).

I also notice that content and happy people don't light up and get high, for example, on their
wedding day or on Christmas morning, because:

a) they are happy and not miserably depressed
b) they're not highly stressed out and resort to downers to calm their nerves.

Only in recent decades, because of the vast advance in science/medicine, coupled with
the fact that there are people willing to commit their lives doing the research
(who also have the funds and facilities to do so), has proper research begun.

btw, it's not at all a debate... we've won. illegal. hahahahahaa

[Stu]

I work in HMV. That sentence alone destroys your entire post. Would you say the same thing about people having to light up as you would about people who drink? Are people depraived, depressed and miserable because they want to drink? Quiet a lot of people drink on Christmas day. And as you already mentioned, Alcohol is a more dangerous drug than Cannabis, which again, without fault, gets safer the moment you legalise it. Another argument you continue to ignore.

Smoking Cannabis for recreational use for relaxation, enjoyment, ritual or whatever has been commited for thousdands upon thousands of years. You can verify that by going to google. Heck, even Wikipedia will do. Your a complete joke. You have ignored every argument I have given you, and yet I am meant to be the thick, depraved drug addict?

How low can you get?

[AnitaBiernow]

you know the FUNNEST part of this forum?

THE IGNORE BUTTON!
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

SOBER AND LOVING LIFE, BABY!

OFF FOR MY 6 MILE HIKE ON THE CANAL BEFORE MY SUPPER! BYEEEEEEE

[Stu]

Seriously, ignorance knows no boundaries.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by AnitaBiernow

you know the FUNNEST part of this forum?

THE IGNORE BUTTON!
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

SOBER AND LOVING LIFE, BABY!

OFF FOR MY 6 MILE HIKE ON THE CANAL BEFORE MY SUPPER! BYEEEEEEE

pwned.

[Prole]

The government raises over 10 billion pounds from tobacco tax annually. I hope everyone is ready to make up that shortfall by paying substantially more income tax once everyone is stopped from smoking.

I don't care if Karly smokes, it's her choice. Don't see anyone commenting on the crap they all eat, seeing that obesity is a bigger killer than smoking.

[lily.]

Originally posted by Stu

[MASSIVE RANT]

Rubbish. Their has been no CONCLUSIVE scientific verification on anything you have said about Cannabis. For every report saying what you have just said, their is another saying otherwise. Reports and studies do not = fact.

So if a substance damages DNA (a mutagen), it must be a carcinogen... right? wrong. Without getting too far into it, there are several kinds of DNA mutations that occur every day. Some are not as bad as others, and our cells have several "check points" when reproducing to correct any mistakes in DNA. If the DNA cannot be repaired the cell self-destructs and does not undergo mitosis (cell division). To allude to the conclusion that because a substance is a mutagen that it is a carcinogen is just not true and misleading.

You cant stop people from smoking a plant that grows naturally, and you cant uphold Cannabis illegality as being a CREDIBLE concept when their are more dangerous drugs that are LEGAL. If people are going to smoke it anyway, which they will, because prohibition has failed [another FACT], then you may as well facilitate it.

Cannabis automaticaly becomes safer if you legalise it. And that is a fact. The criminal element and the contamination element involved both outweigh any possible carinogenic element. The MEDICAL BENEFITS of the plant also outweigh any possible harm it could do. They dont have medicinal marijuana for nothing. Plus if it were legalsied they could simply sell it in food product form. No inhalation.

And unless you hang around smokers all day, please, stop overhyping this whole second hand smoke rubbish. What about people who get tanked on alcohol and jump on people or bottle them? Or beat their wives? Or knock over children with cars? Are they not infringing on the rights of others?

Besides, to begin with, Cannabis is not illegal because of health. It was ushered into being banned before any conclusive evidence for it's harm came out. It was banned based on the fact that it was an apparently insanity inducing drug that would make you jump out windows and kill your girlfriend for a 'fix'. It was banned because, well, it was in trade with Mexicans and Blacks. It was banned in America based on racist philosophies. It has been kept banned due to various lobbyist from the Tobacco, Alcohol and Oil industrys, who would all lose a share of profits if a benign, non toxic plant that induces a relatively mild effect on the body could both be used for food, enjoyment and as a source of fibre, energy and raw material for the future.

People seemed to smoke it for hundreds and thousands of years and live to old, healthy ages perfectley fine, until the turn of the 20th century. Fuck, what a coincidence!

It is also banned due to the fact that it simply did not fit in with some power-mongers view of the world. Alcohol is a very masculine, materialist drug that centers on the ego. Cannabis is more innocent. We cant have people going around smoking Cannabis perhaps realising they dont need all the shit the government tries to peddle to them, do we?

How are world governments meant to sell us products, mobilise us into armies to fight on their behalf, and defend nuclear budgets when people can grow plants for free in their homes, lay on the grass, and just muse ''Man ... I love ... EVERYTHING''.

Cure your ignorance. Because ignorance is a killer. A much bigger killer than a plant that you cannot overdose on and that acts on the system by utilising existing receptors that are already present in our systems could ever hope to be.

Religion, racism, knives, boiling kettles, boxes of paracetamol, vending machines, sharks and falling coconuts all > Cannabis in terms of danger.

[/MASSIVE RANT]

-standing ovation-

I seriously effing love you man!



And, Anita, I've reported your offensive posts dah-lin.

[Clockers]

I guess cannabis is like alcohol or any other drug, you do too much of it and it becomes a habbit for some, an uncontrolable habbit.

The term Stonner comes from people smoking weed all the time, I was once a Stonner and the people I was once associated with are still Stonners.

I can vouch first hand that cannabis can be addictive, it makes you lose your mind, makes you forget things. Maybe for some people it not addictive, but everyone I knew it was a way of life. Reefer for life, bunning it down, got any food, all this **** is no longer what I am about and why encourage people not to smoke anyway, it bad for your health.

[yousoboo!]

Karly is hot with her sexy come to bed Bambi eyes. Yep I'd be her Thumper.
She looks naughty too. And she's clued up.