[FrenchAffair2]

Originally posted by Shaun
Well I don't choose to be attracted to men, so it's entirely natural.

It's against the circle of life, sure.

You can not say that your attraction to men is the result of a life experience, or the result of any other possibilities.

Are people who are attracted to young children natural?
Are people who are attracted to animals natural?

What about sociopaths, mental retardation, downsyndrom.... ect...ect are these things all natural too?

No they are abnormal as they are the result of these people not developing/existing as normal humans do.

[FrenchAffair2]

Originally posted by JD.
Who gives a hoot about the past? This is 2009, things have changed, and will continue to do so.

Electricity ain't natural, but we've learned to live with it!

If anything the acceptance of homosexuality as "normal" is a reversion to the past, so if you are in support of this I would suggest you give a hoot about the past.


Then again, last time homosexuality was considered normal so was sacarficing virgins to the sea gods and massacuring tens of thousands of men women and children for sport.

[Shaun]

Um, homosexuality is considered normal and acceptable by the majority now.

And yes - mental retardation and Downs' Syndrome is natural - unfortunate but natural. What else could it possibly be?

I put this to you: do you choose to be attracted to members of the opposite sex?

[Tom]

Originally posted by FrenchAffair2

You can not say that your attraction to men is the result of a life experience, or the result of any other possibilities.

Erm, yes you can. Its pretty much been proven to be a combination of the brain structure at birth and upbringing.

Are people who are attracted to young children natural?

Are gay people harming anyone else especially if its two consenting adults? To compare them to a paedophile is ridiculous

Are people who are attracted to animals natural?

Same point as above really.

What about sociopaths, mental retardation, downsyndrom.... ect...ect are these things all natural too?

Sociopaths- combination of natural and life experience.
Mental retardation- undoubtedly natural
Downs Syndrome- undoubtedly natural too. Downs Syndrome is an extra chromosome and naturally they have 47 instead of 46. How is that NOT natural?

No they are abnormal as they are the result of these people not developing/existing as normal humans do.

How do you define normal? How do you know its what you perceive to be normal that are the wrongly developed ones, its just more of a common occurrence? Theres no way of saying because the bottom line is morality, and morality is subjective.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by FrenchAffair2

Are people who are attracted to young children natural?
Are people who are attracted to animals natural?

These both include a VERY important confounding variable of consent that over rules any comparison.

[Spike]

Well done Billy
In most cases it usually goes a lot better than you think it will and it sounds like that was the same for you

[arista]

Originally posted by JD.
Well said Arista.



(off topic: why do you always put "Sign Of The Times. " at the end of your posts?)

I put that at the End
as it is so true.

There are folks out there that are not living in our times
like something from the 1950's.


Life In The City.

[Captain.Remy]

Glad to know you feel better now mate.

[Noel]

Aw well done Billy! I could never, I'm sucha wuss. I have planned never to tell my family, but I envy your courage.

[Billy]

Thanks to the normal people ie everyone bar FrenchAffair.

[Barbie]

Natural doesn't really come into it... we use cars, have electricity and mobile phones.. none of those are natural.. you dont find any other animal being told by their parents to come home and that they are grounded over a mobile... so what's natural is a weak argument in our society.


Woo! to the OP though! x

i almost sound intelligent in this post!

[MR.K!]

Congratulations Billy.
And what the hell are you on FrenchAffair !? Ive never heard such a huge bunch of crap in my life. lol

[arista]

Originally posted by Billy
Thanks to the normal people ie everyone bar FrenchAffair.

Hey Billy
there is always one.

Stay Happy.

[FrenchAffair2]

Originally posted by Shaun
Um, homosexuality is considered normal and acceptable by the majority now.

Far from, being openly homosexual will still get you hanged in most parts of the world.

Western middle/upper urban class =/= majority. Far from... and there isn't even a large majority among them (America for example)

And yes - mental retardation and Downs' Syndrome is natural - unfortunate but natural. What else could it possibly be?

They aren't natural, they are the product of a defect. In the case of down syndrom an extra chromozon that we are not naturally supposed to have.

It is a defect as in somthing that is defective from the norm.

I put this to you: do you choose to be attracted to members of the opposite sex?

No because that attraction is in line with the laws of nature. To go against that we can either conclude that it is an inherent defect in the person, in which case homosexuality is a birth defect or we can say that the person chooses to revolt against their natural order.

[FrenchAffair2]

Originally posted by Tom

Erm, yes you can. Its pretty much been proven to be a combination of the brain structure at birth and upbringing.

Show me this proof that it is the result of brain structure.

But why do you mention upbringing? Are you suggesting that ones sexuality is a result of how they are brought up??

Are gay people harming anyone else especially if its two consenting adults? To compare them to a paedophile is ridiculous

Harm is irrelevant to my point. The question is pretty straight forward, you're just dancing around it because you don't like the awnser.

If homosexuality is natural, then so is paedophilia. Because what is paedophilia other than "sexual preference" and if sexual prefrence other than that for the opposite sex is "natural"...

[FrenchAffair2]

Originally posted by Barbie-big-bro
Natural doesn't really come into it... we use cars, have electricity and mobile phones.. none of those are natural.. you dont find any other animal being told by their parents to come home and that they are grounded over a mobile... so what's natural is a weak argument in our society.


Woo! to the OP though! x

i almost sound intelligent in this post!

What do cars have to do with human biology?

[Shaun]

Originally posted by FrenchAffair2
Far from, being openly homosexual will still get you hanged in most parts of the world.

Western middle/upper urban class =/= majority. Far from... and there isn't even a large majority among them (America for example)

That doesn't mean that being homosexual's a bad thing - the majority of these 'parts of the world' also impose sexist, racist and generally dictatorial regimes.

[Tom]

Originally posted by FrenchAffair2

Show me this proof that it is the result of brain structure.

But why do you mention upbringing? Are you suggesting that ones sexuality is a result of how they are brought up??

I meant to say or, not and. So my bad. Anyway evidence (not proof) for brain structure

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7988.html

A lot of articles came out at a similar time based on the same research

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2404109.stm

Both goes more way to suggest its natural than not

Theres also this about sheep. Maybe its applicable to humans, maybe not

Harm is irrelevant to my point. The question is pretty straight forward, you're just dancing around it because you don't like the awnser.

If homosexuality is natural, then so is paedophilia. Because what is paedophilia other than "sexual preference" and if sexual prefrence other than that for the opposite sex is "natural"...

Harm is not irrelevant, it is only irrelevant because it doesn't fit your argument. The difference is consent, how can you not grasp that? And yes, paedophilia must be natural, I'm not denying that, but the difference is its harming people and clearly one taking advantage of another. But its also two different reasons and its supposed to be thought processes, hence rehab programs have helped them stop thinking like that. To compare the two is crazy.

[theapprentice]

Well done. you deserve an award!

[Billy]

LOL.

I've told my best friend and my ex (who is my friend too) and everyones fine with it !

[M X]

Aww.. well done Billy!!

I still need too

and to that French w/e, wtf are you talking about you wanker? go die pls.

Congrats' Billy!

[*mazedsalv**]

Well done Billy Congrats

And for anyone that needs to come out, just remember to take deep breaths, you shouldnt worry, if your parents love you, they will be happy for you.