[user104658]

I’ve been hearing rumours that few if any of the deaths of double-vaxxed people are those who had AZ? Also that general protection from severe illness lasts longer with AZ than the others (higher T-cell response). I can’t find much online to link to to back this up though so take with a pinch of salt. I’m just happy to hear things that suggest dirty AZ is better for a change .

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’ve been hearing rumours that few if any of the deaths of double-vaxxed people are those who had AZ? Also that general protection from severe illness lasts longer with AZ than the others (higher T-cell response). I can’t find much online to link to to back this up though so take with a pinch of salt. I’m just happy to hear things that suggest dirty AZ is better for a change .

i heard something along similar lines the other day.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nope, only been back a week and we know from 18 months of experience that stat changes reflect what happened 2 - 3 weeks previously. This is from general reopening and relaxed social distancing UK wide:

That’s not to say that schools going back won’t affect it. It will. There will be another clear bump from that in about a week or so.

Scotland's record number of Covid cases is partly being fuelled by the return of schools after the summer holidays, the deputy first minister has said.

John Swinney said the data showed that high numbers of young people had tested positive in recent days.

And he said the case for secondary pupils continuing to wear facemasks in school was growing "ever stronger".

A total of 5,021 new cases of the virus were reported on Wednesday, a record high for the second day running.

That was up from 4,323 in the previous 24 hours - although the rate of positive results being returned was down from 14.5% to 11%.

Tuesday's figure had led First Minister Nicola Sturgeon to warn that the country was at another "fragile and pivotal moment" in the pandemic.

Ms Sturgeon said she could not rule out the possibility of some Covid restrictions being reintroduced - although the levels of serious illness remain relatively low at this stage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-58328945

[user104658]

The increased positive tests is largely down to testing, though… they’re making high school kids do lateral flow tests twice a week (followed by a confirming pcr if lateral flow is positive) so basically it will always be the case that more cases are picked up during term time than holidays. Teens aren’t testing twice a week in the holidays. It doesn’t account for any increase in hospital numbers because (despite press scare stories) the vast, vast majority of cases in children and teenagers are mild. There obviously could be a resulting uptick if they catch it and spread to family members - but those won’t show up in a week. They literally went back to classes last Wednesday.

[bots]

its basically attaching an agenda to stats, the number of infections will bounce up and down and unless there is a constant density of testing it really is irrelevant. I believe the ONS data is more consistent in the way it's captured, so it is probably the better reference

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’ve been hearing rumours that few if any of the deaths of double-vaxxed people are those who had AZ? Also that general protection from severe illness lasts longer with AZ than the others (higher T-cell response). I can’t find much online to link to to back this up though so take with a pinch of salt. I’m just happy to hear things that suggest dirty AZ is better for a change .

Well the government have supposedly just bought another 40 million lots of the Pfizer vaccine ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

I noticed like at least 10-13 people tonite at my auction not wearing a mask as well as the ones who have the medical lanyards. This did not happen last week. The auction staff have also given up mask wearing.

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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’ve been hearing rumours that few if any of the deaths of double-vaxxed people are those who had AZ? Also that general protection from severe illness lasts longer with AZ than the others (higher T-cell response). I can’t find much online to link to to back this up though so take with a pinch of salt. I’m just happy to hear things that suggest dirty AZ is better for a change .

who says that, british scientists to promote their own vaccine


AZ is toxic rubbish

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I noticed like at least 10-13 people tonite at my auction not wearing a mask as well as the ones who have the medical lanyards. This did not happen last week. The auction staff have also given up mask wearing.

refuse those dumb uneducated idiots entry


and those auction staff to be sacked

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

who says that, british scientists to promote their own vaccine


AZ is toxic rubbish

AZ is NOT toxic rubbish. It has undoubtedly saved many people from serious illness and death from Covid Nicky. You have made the choice to not be vaccinated but many many people have taken the AZ vaccine and whilst people should respect your decision not to be vaccinated you should accept others who have taken the vaccine and not try to scaremonger by calling it toxic

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

AZ is NOT toxic rubbish. It has undoubtedly saved many people from serious illness and death from Covid Nicky. You have made the choice to not be vaccinated but many many people have taken the AZ vaccine and whilst people should respect your decision not to be vaccinated you should accept others who have taken the vaccine and not try to scaremonger by calling it toxic

my opinion is my opinion


i will continue to ''scaremonger'' as much as i want to

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

my opinion is my opinion


i will continue to ''scaremonger'' as much as i want to

Fair enough Nicky - do what you want

However, I for one will not be reading your posts on it as its misinformation and wrong

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Fair enough Nicky - do what you want

However, I for one will not be reading your posts on it as its misinformation and wrong

it is not misinformation though


Pfizer also has its imperfections, J & J also has its imperfections yes


none of the vaccines i quite trust that much (but honestly it is more my own lifestyle how i am not a active socializing person at all, i never socialize)

and i don't feel scared unvaccinated, i just know i need to be cautious, careful but i always have been that extra careful, even pre-covid



so ok i apologize for singling out AZ as toxic then


i have respect for the many who already have been vaccinated yes agreed

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

who says that, british scientists to promote their own vaccine


AZ is toxic rubbish

it's a balance of things really. It seems there is a slightly higher risk of side effects with AZ compared to Pfizer, but now also that protection from AZ may last longer than Pfizer. Though no data on how much longer.

There have also been studies showing that a "mixed" approach actually has some benefits - one AZ and one Pfizer (or more accurately, one viral-vector vaccine and one mRNA vaccine, the brands don't really matter as much).

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

AZ is NOT toxic rubbish. It has undoubtedly saved many people from serious illness and death from Covid Nicky. You have made the choice to not be vaccinated but many many people have taken the AZ vaccine and whilst people should respect your decision not to be vaccinated you should accept others who have taken the vaccine and not try to scaremonger by calling it toxic

Getting any vaccine is always a risk.
But I'm glad I took it, because it's making me feel safer.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Getting any vaccine is always a risk.
But I'm glad I took it, because it's making me feel safer.

Two of our close relatives have it now .. both fully vaccinated .. thankfully not poorly at all .. so far


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[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Two of our close relatives have it now .. both fully vaccinated .. thankfully not poorly at all .. so far


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Yes. It will protect you. So even if you get it you shouldn't get seriously ill

[Denver]

100k Astra Zeneca vaccines are expected to be thrown away next month after they expire, couldn't they ship them to a country In need instead of throwing them away

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Denver

100k Astra Zeneca vaccines are expected to be thrown away next month after they expire, couldn't they ship them to a country In need instead of throwing them away

Exactly. They could donate them to poorer countries

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Exactly. They could donate them to poorer countries

same what we dutch already have done, ship those off to poorer nations (mostly to our ally Suriname and Curacao though)

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes. It will protect you. So even if you get it you shouldn't get seriously ill

Let’s hope .. back in work / high school next Thursday with many restrictions lifted plus the pupils will have had nearly 6 weeks of not taking much care as regards Covid so they won’t be too happy about what few rules will be in force ..


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[Zizu]

So we are bombarded with all these Covid stats on a daily basis but does anyone know how many Brits over 18 have actually had Covid or how many haven’t had it ?!


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