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Gusto Brunt · 17-07-2022, 01:46 PM

I was thinking last week that Penny was PM material but her performance the other night was terrible.

She stood there and looked like a block of wood. Had no enthusiasm at all.

And whatever she said, just sounded like she had rehearsed it all.

But something else: WHY THIS obsession with what a woman is??? I don't care what a woman is or what a man is. Such braindead debate. The media are obsessed with it. Julia on Talk TV gets her knickers in a twist every day about it. Get a life!

The real issue is the cost of living crisis!

But Penny will definitely have to up her game tonight or she could go in 4th place.

**Also, I don't get the love for Badenoch. To me, she comes across as bland and 'meh'.

But she is painted as some kind of saviour. Crazy. Who is behind this tripe? Who is promoting this dross?

NEXT!

arista · 17-07-2022, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I was thinking last week that Penny was PM material but her performance the other night was terrible.

She stood there and looked like a block of wood. Had no enthusiasm at all.

And whatever she said, just sounded like she had rehearsed it all.

But something else: WHY THIS obsession with what a woman is??? I don't care what a woman is or what a man is. Such braindead debate. The media are obsessed with it. Julia on Talk TV gets her knickers in a twist every day about it. Get a life!

The real issue is the cost of living crisis!

But Penny will definitely have to up her game tonight or she could go in 4th place.

**Also, I don't get the love for Badenoch. To me, she comes across as bland and 'meh'.

But she is painted as some kind of saviour. Crazy. Who is behind this tripe? Who is promoting this dross?

NEXT!

Yes will ITV put Kemi next to her again
tonight?

Gusto Brunt · 17-07-2022, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes will ITV put Kemi next to her again
tonight?

Yes.

bots · 17-07-2022, 02:03 PM

there aren't any stand out politicians from any party at the moment, mainly i think, because they are all career politicians

Gusto Brunt · 17-07-2022, 02:10 PM

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there aren't any stand out politicians from any party at the moment, mainly i think, because they are all career politicians

I just laughed at Sunak.

He said to Penny, where was she gonna get the money from for her financial plans. She missed a trick there. She should have told Sunak she WOULD have been able to use the £12 BILLION he gave away to fraud and wrote off.

Sunak is running to put right the mess he created.

Oliver_W · 17-07-2022, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

But something else: WHY THIS obsession with what a woman is??? I don't care what a woman is or what a man is. Such braindead debate. The media are obsessed with it. Julia on Talk TV gets her knickers in a twist every day about it. Get a life!

It's a hot button topic as MRAs want women's rights to given to men who identify as women. Women's sports and spaces are just expected to step aside for them.

It's a big talking point because places are taking the knee to the issue, and we see women getting villified for saying that maybe vulnerable women shouldn't be made to share a ward with males and that it's unfair for women to compete against males.

Gusto Brunt · 17-07-2022, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's a hot button topic as MRAs want women's rights to given to men who identify as women. Women's sports and spaces are just expected to step aside for them.

It's a big talking point because places are taking the knee to the issue, and we see women getting villified for saying that maybe vulnerable women shouldn't be made to share a ward with males and that it's unfair for women to compete against males.

Yes I believe trans women should be kept out of women's sports. It's only right. But this constant debate about what a woman is sends me crazy. It's like is that the only thing that matters?? Like I said Julia on Talk TV is obsessed.

bots · 17-07-2022, 02:46 PM

Conservative leadership hopeful Penny Mordaunt has called for an end to toxic politics, saying the focus needs to be on picking a new prime minister.

She told the BBC there were a "number of smears going on in the papers" and hit back at claims that she had ever backed gender self-identification.

Ms Mordaunt is one of five candidates left in the leadership race, ahead of the next round of voting on Monday.

Tom Tugendhat meanwhile said the Tories needed a "clean start".

Ms Mordaunt - second in the contest according to the latest round of MPs' votes - told the Sunday Morning programme the cost-of-living crisis was her priority.

She was also questioned about her stance on how people should be allowed to legally change their gender, after questions were raised during the contest about her record when she was equalities minister.

Asked by Sophie Raworth whether she thought trans people should have to get a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria before they could legally change their gender, she said: "Yes."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62196547

arista · 17-07-2022, 03:35 PM

[Labour 'not worried' by any Conservative leadership candidate

The final guest on today's Ridge on Sunday programme
is Bridget Phillipson, shadow education secretary.
Ms Phillipson criticises Conservative leadership
candidate Kemi Badenoch, suggesting that
her comments on cutting down on the
number of support staff in schools is concerning.
"I am not worried about any of them,"
she says of the five remaining Tory leadership hopefuls.
She adds that Labour will "be clear"
about how they would fund any policy put forward.]

SkyNews Feed.

joeysteele · 17-07-2022, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

[Labour 'not worried' by any Conservative leadership candidate

The final guest on today's Ridge on Sunday programme
is Bridget Phillipson, shadow education secretary.
Ms Phillipson criticises Conservative leadership
candidate Kemi Badenoch, suggesting that
her comments on cutting down on the
number of support staff in schools is concerning.
"I am not worried about any of them,"
she says of the five remaining Tory leadership hopefuls.
She adds that Labour will "be clear"
about how they would fund any policy put forward.]

SkyNews Feed.

After friday's programme and the way this one is shaping up.
It would surprise me if any of these can turn around enough, the voters who now hold more negative views towards the Cons.

This programme isn't I think doing anything to show them in a good light as a Party.

arista · 17-07-2022, 05:36 PM

Live Tonight From ITV's White City studios

In under 25mins,

Julie Etchingham takes them all on

Also on the ITV News website,
YouTube channel,
Facebook and Twitter.

Video of the Set
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-07-15/...dership-debate

arista · 17-07-2022, 05:59 PM

Started a Min Early

LIVE

arista · 17-07-2022, 06:03 PM

Rishi , Liz, Kemi, Tom and Penny

Lucky Penny not next to Kemi.

No Audience

arista · 17-07-2022, 06:05 PM

Kemi remembers her Days in
working McDonalds

bots · 17-07-2022, 06:06 PM

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Kemi remembers her Days in
working McDonalds

and cleaning toilets

arista · 17-07-2022, 06:07 PM

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and cleaning toilets

Yes
Sign of a Dedicated Junior worker

Zizu · 17-07-2022, 06:06 PM

I’m already sick of TomT’s constant army references ..

“ I’m ready to serve “

I’ve found nothing online to suggest he was a war hero or whatever .
He was in the TA ( part-time role as an officer in the British Army reserves) for about ten years .. 4 of them were in a civilian capacity, for the Foreign & Commonwealth Office (FCO), and helped set up the National Security Council of Afghanistan

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Zizu · 17-07-2022, 09:01 PM

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I’m already sick of TomT’s constant army references ..

“ I’m ready to serve “

I’ve found nothing online to suggest he was a war hero or whatever .
He was in the TA ( part-time role as an officer in the British Army reserves) for about ten years .. 4 of them were in a civilian capacity, for the Foreign & Commonwealth Office (FCO), and helped set up the National Security Council of Afghanistan

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Interesting

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Crimson Dynamo · 17-07-2022, 10:13 PM

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Interesting

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Hardly a good survey ffs

Oliver_W · 17-07-2022, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

I’ve found nothing online to suggest he was a war hero or whatever .

bots · 17-07-2022, 10:28 PM

You had to keep reminding yourself these were five people who are actually in the same party.

And the two of them taking the greatest lumps out of each other sat around the same cabinet table a fortnight ago.

Changing leaders between elections can offer a party a chance to renew in office.

It also offers plentiful opportunity for it to rip itself to shreds in public.

There are nerves in Conservative circles that Sunday evening's debate was rather more the latter than the former.

So after a weekend of two and a half hours of primetime television debate and acres of newsprint, where do we find ourselves as we enter the second week of the Conservative leadership contest?

TV debates serve up real jeopardy, particularly for those with the most to lose.

On Friday's debate on Channel 4, the two outsiders, in terms of their support among Conservative MPs so far at least, seemed to relish it, perhaps pleasantly surprised they had made it so far.

Kemi Badenoch and Tom Tugendhat were probably the least known to most viewers, and with little to lose.

Whereas the big three, in terms of votes so far, Rishi Sunak, Penny Mordaunt and Liz Truss, feared going backwards; denting their solid starts.

Things felt different in the ITV debate.

The format, for a start.

Without the punctuation marks of a live audience in the studio, with its questions and applause, and with the addition of some nifty ideas such as each candidate being able to put a question to just one other, the exchanges felt sharper, more spiky.

The candidates addressed each other rather than the audience in the studio, and often archly.

Team Truss are candid: "Liz was better tonight that on Friday" one aide told me.

"She is the clear heavyweight on the economy to rival Rishi. That was a battle of the grown ups between Liz and Rishi, with Liz the 'change' candidate on the economy," a source added.

They want to portray a Sunak premiership - economically at least - as more of the same as what's gone before, without the scruffy blonde hair.

Yet again Mr Sunak was the focus of most, if not all of the barbs coming from his opponents.

Or, we should remind ourselves, colleagues.

I'm told his question to Liz Truss, "what do you regret most, being a Lib Dem or being a Remainer?" was meant to be light hearted.

It didn't sound anything of the sort. More like a laser guided zap at her true Conservative credentials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62202108