[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Alf

That's just the Arsenal fan in you saying that, and I understand your loyalty to you're team (nothing wrong with it), but for me Spurs don't need to be slated in that way, they've had a great season themselves, and for me have been the most attractive and best footballing team in the league this season.

It's annoying playing second fiddle to your inferior club local rivals isn't it? I know all to well being an Everton fan and seeing them come behind the lesser team in Liverpool.

It's laughable that you think it's just the Arsenal fan in me saying that. I'm sure fans from all across the country agree with what i've said about their conduct tonight.. in fact i know they have because i've been reading twitter all night. I don't know how anyone can condemn Lamela stamping on Cesc, Dembele poking his fingers in Costa's eye and the general punches and kicks thrown all game. Not to mention Alli getting a ban just recently for punching. They've been at it all season, I remember Alli getting away with kicking a Fiorentina player pretty badly in the chest whilst he was down.



Not having the right to criticize a team and their behaviour because of the way they've played this year is everything thats wrong with football and journalism in this country. So many journalists are especially shrugging off what Alli has been doing just because he's Englands new golden boy.

I wouldn't say we're playing second fiddle. We're 3 points behind them, big chance we can still finish above them with the bans they've got coming their way. Both having a trophy-less season, Spurs haven't won the league in 55 years, 8 years since they last won a trophy, we've won 4 trophies in the last 3 seasons. Like i said to Alex Font.. everyones getting way too ahead of themselves. Yes they've played some good stuff, but this is in a league where every team has underachieved this season, and they've still come out with nothing to show for it.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Drew.

It's laughable that you think it's just the Arsenal fan in me saying that. I'm sure fans from all across the country agree with what i've said about their conduct tonight.. in fact i know they have because i've been reading twitter all night. I don't know how anyone can condemn Lamela stamping on Cesc, Dembele poking his fingers in Costa's eye and the general punches and kicks thrown all game. Not to mention Alli getting a ban just recently for punching. They've been at it all season, I remember Alli getting away with kicking a Fiorentina player pretty badly in the chest whilst he was down.



Not having the right to criticize a team and their behaviour because of the way they've played this year is everything thats wrong with football and journalism in this country. So many journalists are especially shrugging off what Alli has been doing just because he's Englands new golden boy.

I wouldn't say we're playing second fiddle. We're 3 points behind them, big chance we can still finish above them with the bans they've got coming their way. Both having a trophy-less season, Spurs haven't won the league in 55 years, 8 years since they last won a trophy, we've won 4 trophies in the last 3 seasons. Like i said to Alex Font.. everyones getting way too ahead of themselves. Yes they've played some good stuff, but this is in a league where every team has underachieved this season, and they've still come out with nothing to show for it.

You say it yourself, it's all over twitter. So you're coming at it from a media point of view, instead of a rational human point of view.

Sometimes sport gets heated, so what?

They certainly don't deserve the Headline of "Thugs" just because a London derby with everything on the line, got a little bit heated.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Alf

You say it yourself, it's all over twitter. So you're coming at it from a media point of view, instead of a rational human point of view.

Sometimes sport gets heated, so what?

They certainly don't deserve the Headline of "Thugs" just because a London derby with everything on the line, got a little bit heated.

I'm not using it as a media point of view, i had my own opinions on it before i started reading twitter.

I'm fine with all the heavy tackles and challenges, that's part of the sport and that's how the game was played years ago so that side of the game is refreshing to see. But gouging someones eyes and intentionally stamping on them is not an excuse because the game got a little bit heated or that its a London derby.. fact is they bottled their chances of winning the league and they showed themselves up by becoming violent and thuggish. Whatever word you want to use to describe them.. bottom line is it was violence. They were intentionally trying to harm another human. I use the word thugs because it's not the first time they've done this, previous bans prove it. If it was a one off then fair enough, but it's not.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's annoying playing second fiddle to your inferior club local rivals isn't it? I know all to well being an Everton fan and seeing them come behind the lesser team in Liverpool.

Originally Posted by Drew.

I wouldn't say we're playing second fiddle. We're 3 points behind them, big chance we can still finish above them

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by Drew.

[Shaun]

It takes something special to play against Chelsea and come across as the team with the most violent divas quite right Drew

[Alf]

I have no problem with players showing passion and fight, it shows they care.

And it also shows they care, when, when it's lost, they lose their cool.

[Shaun]

5 trophies actually!!!! That glorious Emirates Cup last July

[GiRTh]

Cant agree with you Drew. If our team showed half of the fight that Spurs have shown in pushing for the title, I wouldn't be whingeing about players and the manager and we'd have won this by ten points. Remember when we had our great teams and the number of bans they accrued? They werent angels, for sure.

Spiurs are unquestionably in a much better position than we are. I agree with Alf they have played some of the best football of this season. Its modern football, fast tempo, high pressing that with the right personnel is much closer to the way the very best teams in the world play while we are stuck with manager with players who many dont even fit into his style of play

Well done Spurs. Even with Pep at Man City and Conte at Chelsea I think Spurs will still be serious title challenger next season.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Cant agree with you Drew. If our team showed half of the fight that Spurs have shown in pushing for the title, I wouldn't be whingeing about players and the manager and we'd have won this by ten points. Remember when we had our great teams and the number of bans they accrued?

Spiurs are unquestionably in a much better position than we are. I agree with Alf they have played some of the best football of this season. Its modern football, fast tempo, high pressing that with the right personnel is much closer to the way the very best teams in the world play while we are stuck with manager with players who many dont even fit into his style of play

Well done Spurs. Even with Pep at Man City and Conte at Chelsea I think Spurs will still be serious title challenger next season.

I'm not disagreeing with the fact if we showed more belief and desire we wouldn't be where we are now. But theres a fine line between fighting for the league like Leicester have with their belief and desire to win games and the physical violent side that Spurs have shown, and thats what my comments are about/what we've been talking about.

This isn't about my dislike to Spurs either. Like i said, i agreed Spurs have played some decent stuff this season, but they've come away with nothing more than we have. This is probably the best Premier League squad Spurs have ever had and theres still a chance we'll be finishing above them, and this has been a bloody awful season for us, thats why i think people are getting far too carried away.

When Kane had his breakthrough season last year and most people said he wouldn't be able to repeat it i was backing him to do it again, not all of my opinions are anti Spurs. I'm giving you more facts than opinions now & the best PL team Spurs have had could quite easily still finish below us.. fact.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Drew.

I'm not disagreeing with the fact if we showed more belief and desire we wouldn't be where we are now. But theres a fine line between fighting for the league like Leicester have with their belief and desire to win games and the physical violent side that Spurs have shown, and thats what my comments are about/what we've been talking about.

This isn't about my dislike to Spurs either. Like i said, i agreed Spurs have played some decent stuff this season, but they've come away with nothing more than we have. This is probably the best Premier League squad Spurs have ever had and theres still a chance we'll be finishing above them, and this has been a bloody awful season for us, thats why i think people are getting far too carried away.

When Kane had his breakthrough season last year and most people said he wouldn't be able to repeat it i was backing him to do it again, not all of my opinions are anti Spurs. I'm giving you more facts than opinions now & the best PL team Spurs have had could quite easily still finish below us.. fact.

They wont. When Man City go out of the ECl to Real Madrid they will be very motivated to beat us next week. I dont see us getting much out of that game.

I'm referring to the state of the two sides. I cant see any one of the spurs stars leaving unless stupid money is put on the table. I can see Ozil and Sanchez leaving; just the other day I read a report Bayern were interested in Sanchez.. Spurs shouldnt have even been in the race if we'd managed to get our act together. Spurs have ultimately failed but atm they look much stronger than many much bigger clubs..

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

They wont. When Man City go out of the ECl to Real Madrid they will be very motivated to beat us next week. I dont see us getting much out of that game.

I'm referring to the state of the two sides. I cant see any one of their stars leaving unless stupid money is put on the table. They shouldnt have even been in the race if we'd managed to get our act together. Spurs have ultimately failed but atm they look much stronger than many much bigger clubs..

You've almost summed up what i've been saying here. We've been piss poor yet we're still 3 points behind with a great chance to either finish level or above them. Like i've said loads of times, this is a Spurs side everyone's claiming to be their best PL team they've had yet and saying we're now playing second fiddle to. They didn't even beat us this season, even Flamini scored twice to beat them at WHL in the FA Cup lol. I'm not doubting they're a bad side and that they haven't improved, but everyone's getting way too carried away.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Drew.

You've almost summed up what i've been saying here. We've been piss poor yet we're still 3 points behind with a great chance to either finish level or above them. Like i've said loads of times, this is a Spurs side everyone's claiming to be their best PL team they've had yet and saying we're now playing second fiddle to. They didn't even beat us this season, even Flamini scored twice to beat them at WHL in the FA Cup lol. I'm not doubting they're a bad side and that they haven't improved, but everyone's getting way too carried away.

Spurs have always had good players its just this year they made the difficult step up to match the best. They can only get better after this IMO.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Drew.

You've almost summed up what i've been saying here. We've been piss poor yet we're still 3 points behind with a great chance to either finish level or above them. Like i've said loads of times, this is a Spurs side everyone's claiming to be their best PL team they've had yet and saying we're now playing second fiddle to. They didn't even beat us this season, even Flamini scored twice to beat them at WHL in the FA Cup lol. I'm not doubting they're a bad side and that they haven't improved, but everyone's getting way too carried away.

If Arsenal do beat Spurs though it will be down to the suspensions that Spurs are gonna get rather than actually having the better team.

I'm not saying that to be harsh btw as I feel sorry for Wenger at the fans wanting him gone, but his side this year is not stronger than the Spurs team throughout this season, no matter what the table ends up showing due to all of the suspensions.

And tbh the two that I really objected too from Spurs last night was Dembele poking Costa in the eye, and whoever shoved Guus Hiddink over by the dugout, other than that it was basic Football fighting imo with Willian going to lash out at Danny Rose.

[Shaun]

I don't think physicality and violence are the same thing. Arsenal fans couldn't really bemoan the physical game when they won titles with the likes of Vieira, Adams, Keown, Dixon, etc. The comments Drew's brought up about Tottenham tonight are pretty fair - they lost their heads and it was embarrassing to watch. On any other night (where Leicester weren't crowned champions ) they'd have been mauled by the press, and they probably will be in the coming days by the FA.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I don't think physicality and violence are the same thing. Arsenal fans couldn't really bemoan the physical game when they won titles with the likes of Vieira, Adams, Keown, Dixon, etc. The comments Drew's brought up about Tottenham tonight are pretty fair - they lost their heads and it was embarrassing to watch. On any other night (where Leicester weren't crowned champions ) they'd have been mauled by the press, and they probably will be in the coming days by the FA.

I like bad losers, it shows me they care. I'd be more disappointed if they'd lost without any fight and emotion.

Tottenham didn't beat themselves, Leicester beat them by continuing to pile the pressure on. Tottenham had a great season.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I don't think physicality and violence are the same thing. Arsenal fans couldn't really bemoan the physical game when they won titles with the likes of Vieira, Adams, Keown, Dixon, etc. The comments Drew's brought up about Tottenham tonight are pretty fair - they lost their heads and it was embarrassing to watch. On any other night (where Leicester weren't crowned champions ) they'd have been mauled by the press, and they probably will be in the coming days by the FA.

Vieira received the most red cards in PrRemiership history; tied with a few others players but the fact remained our great teams had an edge to them that sometimes spilled over. That all we saw from Spurs tongiht IMO.

[Alf]

Anyway, that's season over, on to the Euro's.

[Shaun]

More than anything it's amazing how few points have been needed to win the title this season... Leicester are on 77 and you'd be surprised if they finished on 83 with their last two fixtures.

Last year Chelsea got 87 - Leicester would be third atm.
13/14, City got 86 - Leicester would be fifth atm.
12/13, United got 89 - Leicester would be third atm.
11/12, City & United got 89 - Leicester would be third.

Only other equally-open season was 10/11 really. I know history would never say it because the underdog story is way more compelling but this really was handed to them on a plate Tottenham's point tally would place them where they usually ended up anyway.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

More than anything it's amazing how few points have been needed to win the title this season... Leicester are on 77 and you'd be surprised if they finished on 83 with their last two fixtures.

Last year Chelsea got 87 - Leicester would be third atm.
13/14, City got 86 - Leicester would be fifth atm.
12/13, United got 89 - Leicester would be third atm.
11/12, City & United got 89 - Leicester would be third.

Only other equally-open season was 10/11 really. I know history would never say it because the underdog story is way more compelling but this really was handed to them on a plate Tottenham's point tally would place them where they usually ended up anyway.

Another great point.

Their style has improved and they've got a new identity but realistically they are still where they always have been.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Shaun

More than anything it's amazing how few points have been needed to win the title this season... Leicester are on 77 and you'd be surprised if they finished on 83 with their last two fixtures.

Last year Chelsea got 87 - Leicester would be third atm.
13/14, City got 86 - Leicester would be fifth atm.
12/13, United got 89 - Leicester would be third atm.
11/12, City & United got 89 - Leicester would be third.

Only other equally-open season was 10/11 really. I know history would never say it because the underdog story is way more compelling but this really was handed to them on a plate Tottenham's point tally would place them where they usually ended up anyway.

Man Utd won the league with 75 points in 1996. Eighty points is a realsitic total for Leicester and that would have them third or higher in most years.

I see what you are saying but the number of points required to win the league depends on so many factors.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Shaun

More than anything it's amazing how few points have been needed to win the title this season... Leicester are on 77 and you'd be surprised if they finished on 83 with their last two fixtures.

Last year Chelsea got 87 - Leicester would be third atm.
13/14, City got 86 - Leicester would be fifth atm.
12/13, United got 89 - Leicester would be third atm.
11/12, City & United got 89 - Leicester would be third.

Only other equally-open season was 10/11 really. I know history would never say it because the underdog story is way more compelling but this really was handed to them on a plate Tottenham's point tally would place them where they usually ended up anyway.

But wouldn't you say that the points have been much lower at the top because teams like Leicester, Spurs, West Ham, and Southampton have helped cause a few upsets this season? And don't forget Bournemouth when they beat Man Utd and Chelsea back to back.

[Alf]

I'm tipping Everton to spoil the party on Saturday.

Martinez is on life-support machine with the Everton fans and board.

0-2 to the Toffee's

[Drew.]

Kloppy will have a better season than the Spuds next year, thats another team that'll be pushing them back down the table

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Drew.

Kloppy will have a better season than the Spuds next year, thats another team that'll be pushing them back down the table

Liverpool!

Next season is between Man Utd, Spurs, Man City, and Leicester, with a dark horse tip on Southampton is my guess as Payet will leave West Ham in the Summer.