[BBUKAUSFAN]

Originally Posted by Jack_

@BBUKAUSFAN I thought this was meant to end at 22:00 AEDT?

I turned it off the moment the winner was announced

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

On a separate note then though, if the rule is 'after eps have aired' (which is understandable), why should I have to avoid the X Factor section every year because people don't understand that not everyone wants to know how the series plays out before its even started? I do so every year and have never bothered to complain, but isn't that just unfair?

You are right though, I thought I was being mindful because we've been using spoilers every ep for the last two seasons, but if people really don't care I'll just remove the tags

How is that even similar? I assume you're talking about Six Chair Challenge results, which are spoilers until they air and so should be spoiler tagged. Once the Six Chair Challenge episodes have aired, then they can be discussed without spoiler tags.

In short:
Spoilers (unaired episodes) = Spoiler tag
Episode thoughts (after episode aired) = Not spoiler tag

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Hayden

How is that even similar? I assume you're talking about Six Chair Challenge results, which are spoilers until they air and so should be spoiler tagged. Once the Six Chair Challenge episodes have aired, then they can be discussed without spoiler tags.

In short:
Spoilers (unaired episodes) = Spoiler tag
Episode thoughts (after episode aired) = Not spoiler tag

I'm talking about every stage of the show, if Six Chair results were being discussed after they've aired I wouldn't have a problem? My issue is with random spoilers about different acts journeys being peppered around the subforum. I can almost guarantee that in some of threads that have been made about certain acts, their journey has already been teased or outright spoiled. I'd also bet that in some of the episode discussion threads (when there's been them in the past), someone's commented about a certain act's progression. I also don't want spoilers about the judges categories (and I may be the only person who still cares but until it's shown on TV it is a spoiler, they wouldn't still do the reveal segment otherwise) and yet every year there's a few posts like 'I don't know if Nicole's going to mentor him well' in a thread about x or y in week 2. I don't want to know. I avoid the threads until the lives for this very reason but if we're going by the mantra you just outlined, why are these things that haven't yet been broadcast being posted unspoilered in random threads? Most years there's an actual spoilers thread too and they still filter out

[BBUKAUSFAN]

I agree with Jack with having spoiler tags for episodes, some people have only just started watching the season and may come to post there thoughts on episodes, and if you post about the winner or episodes they haven't seen without spoiler tags it makes there watching pointless if they see the outcomes, why ruin someone else viewing by not clicking the spoiler icon and write in it, only takes you 1 second.

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If you can’t stay out of a thread where you know episode discussion will be then maybe TIBB should automatically spoiler every single post on the forum lmao

I’ve never understood the over excessive use of spoiler tags, they are there for spoilers and nothing more.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by BBUKAUSFAN

I agree with Jack with having spoiler tags for episodes, some people have only just started watching the season and may come to post there thoughts on episodes, and if you post about the winner or episodes they haven't seen without spoiler tags it makes there watching pointless if they see the outcomes, why ruin someone else viewing by not clicking the spoiler icon and write in it, only takes you 1 second.

Thank you, I knew I was in the minority but not the only person who thought like this. I just think the 'not my problem, it's yours' attitude is a bit twatty really when it takes a second just to wrap a post in spoiler tags. For those who go onto Twitter to complain about them I have no sympathy, there's no way of policing that and it's an as-live medium. But a thread on a British forum where episodes are being watched days, weeks and months after the fact and people may want to come in here to discuss their thoughts on different episodes at different paces to others? It's just considerate to use them. Hell, I just checked and only a year ago every person bar one put their finale thoughts in tags. So what changed?

Originally Posted by Hayden

If you can’t stay out of a thread where you know episode discussion will be then maybe TIBB should automatically spoiler every single post on the forum lmao

I’ve never understood the over excessive use of spoiler tags, they are there for spoilers and nothing more.

Why should I have to expect people to be discussing final 12/judges houses/six chair etc spoilers in discussion threads weeks before they've aired? That totally goes against everything you're saying

Also the judges categories thread I bumped last night is a prime example of what I was talking about

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Why should I have to expect people to be discussing final 12/judges houses/six chair etc spoilers in discussion threads weeks before they've aired? That totally goes against everything you're saying

Also the judges categories thread I bumped last night is a prime example of what I was talking about

You don;t seem to be listening to what I'm saying. You shouldn't have to see people discussing things that are yet to air, because those are spoilers. You should take that up with the people doing it, not me.

I did not post anything in this thread that had not already aired (heck I didn't even use names you just assumed) therefore my post didn't require a spoiler tag.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Hayden

You don;t seem to be listening to what I'm saying. You shouldn't have to see people discussing things that are yet to air, because those are spoilers. You should take that up with the people doing it, not me.

I did not post anything in this thread that had not already aired (heck I didn't even use names you just assumed) therefore my post didn't require a spoiler tag.

You're the one that's not listening to what I'm saying. If you agree that I shouldn't have to see them, why did you respond to my post by asking 'how is that even similar?' proceeding to explain what is and isn't a spoiler, when I'd already noted that people spoil how the series plays out 'before it's even started'? You told me that something unaired is a spoiler, I agreed, referred you to examples of how unaired things are being spoiled in other sections of the forum, and then you asked what the similarity was? I wasn't accusing you of doing it (and I did take it up with them in the other thread), merely asking if that's the rule why isn't it being utilised across the board. Your initial disagreement is what baffled me.

I assumed nothing, you'd literally said on the previous page who you wanted to win, so it'd not be difficult to work out that they hadn't. I don't even disagree with you that it's a spoiler, if someone goes on social media after the episode has aired and they haven't seen it they're an idiot, but this is a completely different context for the reasons I've explained. I'm just confused because if you believe that they don't require spoiler tags, why only a year ago did you put two of your own finale posts in them (one of which was a Wiki bootlist that spoiled things from like 8 episodes previous)? What changed your opinion within a year?

[reece(:]

The simple answer is to just watch the episode before coming in here

We usually live chat Survivor US as it's airing anyway

[Jack_]

Correct, I mentioned in an earlier post that we wouldn't be having this discussion if it were about Survivor US cause it'd be absurd to expect no spoilers since everyone watches live. But no one apart from me (and members who live in Australia) have ever watched and discussed this live so it's a completely different context. If someone's watching at a different pace to someone else, why shouldn't they be able to post their thoughts on a particular episode in the thread without stumbling across spoilers of future ones?

The even simpler answer is to just put your thoughts in spoiler tags for that reason, it requires no effort whatsoever and is just considerate of other people

[Headie]

Originally Posted by reece(:

The simple answer is to just watch the episode before coming in here

We usually live chat Survivor US as it's airing anyway

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm just confused because if you believe that they don't require spoiler tags, why only a year ago did you put two of your own finale posts in them (one of which was a Wiki bootlist that spoiled things from like 8 episodes previous)? What changed your opinion within a year?

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If I had “spoiled” you then maybe I’d be more willing to even think that your points are valid but the fact that you were the very first to watch it and nobody other than you has found it to be an issue (probably because those who haven’t seen it are avoiding the thread like every normal person would ) makes me feel like you’re just arguing for the sake of writing another 1000 word essay

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Hayden

If I had “spoiled” you then maybe I’d be more willing to even think that your points are valid but the fact that you were the very first to watch it and nobody other than you has found it to be an issue (probably because those who haven’t seen it are avoiding the thread like every normal person would ) makes me feel like you’re just arguing for the sake of writing another 1000 word essay

So you're saying that if someone came in here and was spoiled by your post, you'd accept I was right after all?

I don't want to argue, I had no intention of arguing, just a reminder it was you who chose to pursue this discussion (and who began being condescending) by continuing to disagree with a fairly reasonable point I'd made. I still don't understand why after two whole seasons of using spoiler tags, you've miraculously decided they aren't necessary anymore. The fact you still won't answer my question as to why says it all.

As for the '1000 word essay' tired cliche, it's nowhere even close but I appreciate that reading comprehension beyond gifs, emoticons and buzzwords isn't everyone's forte.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

So you're saying that if someone came in here and was spoiled by your post, you'd accept I was right after all?

I don't want to argue, I had no intention of arguing, just a reminder it was you who chose to pursue this discussion (and who began being condescending) by continuing to disagree with a fairly reasonable point I'd made. I still don't understand why after two whole seasons of using spoiler tags, you've miraculously decided they aren't necessary anymore. The fact you still won't answer my question as to why says it all.

As for the '1000 word essay' tired cliche, it's nowhere even close but I appreciate that reading comprehension beyond gifs, emoticons and buzzwords isn't everyone's forte.

[Jack_]

The irony of that response isn't lost on me good work my friend

Anyway, your lack of response to my question for a third time can basically be translated as "oh ****, he's got me there" so in the end you pretty much proved me right. Being considerate can disappear on a whim overnight apparently

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oh ****, he's got me there

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Hayden

oh ****, he's got me there

It takes a bigger person to admit when they're wrong so well done babes

Now let's hug it out <3

[Headie]

Spoiler:

[Jack_]

I know you love me really

[Jack_]

Now then...onto an actual essay! Some post season thoughts:

I'm having major withdrawal symptoms from this today didn't bother with any post-season media last year cause they were all so awful but I've watched and read quite a few things this time. I agree with what LemonJam said, this has been one of my favourite seasons of Survivor ever, and is probably in my top ten reality TV seasons of all time too whether I'd be typing that had things ended differently I'm not sure, but it really was superb from start to finish. Great challenges (especially the pegs one at F4) that the US need to learn from, great gameplay, great characters, great editing, great ending. And JLP felt more at home in the role this time around too.

I also found it refreshing after despising almost every player at the merge last season to not actually dislike anybody this year? I may have only had two solid favourites and rooted for like three others, and I know I've cast aspersions on many of them for being irrelevant, but none of them are bad, dislikable people. I know y'all didn't like Henry but it's not like he's a Kyle Jason type or anything.

Also, I don't know about the season length but I'm now definitely sold on multiple and lengthier episodes a week. CBS and Probst need to learn from this because the reason I'm (thus far) not caring about HvHvH is because it's rushed and impersonal. I've legitimately been as invested in characters in this Australian Survivor season as I am in Big Brother housemates. Character development matters!

Spoiler:

Aaaaand it's SO good to finally have one of my favourites win a reality show again! I think the last was...Sarah Hanlon? by far my favourite Survivor winner since Tony, too

One last random note...Jarrad is the epitome of the perfect juror! Trolls everyone by pretending to be bitter, but then isn't actually

<3

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[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Too many words to process? I know, it must be difficult

I presume you're at uni now though so hopefully you'll become accustomed to it!

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[Jack_]

Aww I remember when you did this last time now. Bless you, you do try, I just feel so awkward for you