[Kizzy]

There are so many contributory factors and we're getting little or no real information other than scare mongering from both sides... and time is marching on, how is anyone meant to make a considered decision? It's impossible.

[joeysteele]

I don't think anything anyone or what other leaders of Nations say would now sway me from the path I have chosen,I have outlined clearly how I see the EU and the UK being successful in it.

What I cannot see is how that success could be nurtured,sustained or bettered out of the EU and there are absolutely no convincing answers from any part of the out organisations as to that either,in my view.

So for me it's what I see is best for the UK and the future generations of the UK after we vote and although I accept those on the out and in sides, leaders of Nations or organisations in the UK can and should make their input,none of them will likely alter my thinking now because of absolutely no costings etc as I have said endless times before on this thread so won't again.

I know where we are in the EU now but still have not a clue as to where we could be or will be going if out.
That is really all that matters to me not what any Nation,organisation or Leader says.

I do however feel really sad and bad too for the heavily undecided,who really are getting an almighty and very bad misrepresentation of the EU from the out organisations and virtually nothing really as to help their decision making from the in organisations either.
That is the really disgraceful element to this whole campaign so far

Which is why I am just looking at how things actually are now for the UK rather than trying to work out just what may or may not happen if we vote to leave.
The former I know a good bit as to and the latter I know really nothing at all concrete, which would benefit the future of the UK.
Especially as our future has benefited over the last decades in the EU.

If I was one of the undecided,I really think I would be struggling massively to get any real info to help my decision to be honest.

[bots]

The campaign to pull Britain out of the European Union has swung into the lead, according to the latest polls.

With exactly three months to go until the referendum, an ICM survey showed support for Brexit rose by two points to 43 per cent, while the Remain campaign fell to 41 per cent. A "poll of polls" last week revealed the In campaign's lead had narrowed, with 49 per cent of voters backing Brexit and 51 per cent wanting to stay in the EU.


The survey, carried out between 18 and 20 March, puts support for an exit at its highest level since ICM started its referendum tracker in May 2015, says Reuters.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/eu-referend...gn-in-the-lead

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Its going to be close!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The campaign to pull Britain out of the European Union has swung into the lead, according to the latest polls.

With exactly three months to go until the referendum, an ICM survey showed support for Brexit rose by two points to 43 per cent, while the Remain campaign fell to 41 per cent. A "poll of polls" last week revealed the In campaign's lead had narrowed, with 49 per cent of voters backing Brexit and 51 per cent wanting to stay in the EU.


The survey, carried out between 18 and 20 March, puts support for an exit at its highest level since ICM started its referendum tracker in May 2015, says Reuters.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/eu-referend...gn-in-the-lead

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Its going to be close!

I honestly think Britain will vote out

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The campaign to pull Britain out of the European Union has swung into the lead, according to the latest polls.

With exactly three months to go until the referendum, an ICM survey showed support for Brexit rose by two points to 43 per cent, while the Remain campaign fell to 41 per cent. A "poll of polls" last week revealed the In campaign's lead had narrowed, with 49 per cent of voters backing Brexit and 51 per cent wanting to stay in the EU.


The survey, carried out between 18 and 20 March, puts support for an exit at its highest level since ICM started its referendum tracker in May 2015, says Reuters.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/eu-referend...gn-in-the-lead

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Its going to be close!

I can see a narrow out vote being the result.

I feel sure those who want out will near all vote whereas those who want to stay in, are not likely to have more than two thirds turnout to do so.

I also firmly believe still most regions and major cities of England will vote to stay in,Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales will vote to stay in maybe the latter 2 more narrowly than Scotland.
However I do believe the far South of England will carry this whole vote and bring about an out result.

For me,likely,the way the result is in the end when it gets broken down and comes about, will be as disastrous and chaos ensuing from it, just as an out result itself will be too for the UK and its future..

For sure,more and more in the circumstances above I expect an out result now.

[bots]

With 16% not accounted for (undecided?) it could go either way even if one side appears to get a 10% lead. I can't see either side building a lead bigger than 10% so its going to be a fun day come counting time.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I honestly think Britain will vote out

I hope so, and that is EXACTLY how the UK SHOULD vote if TRUTH and FACTS and EVIDENCE are heeded, because there is not ONE valid reason to remain in.

[AnnieK]

This whole thing makes my head hurt.....I honestly don't know what I'm going to do.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I hope so, and that is EXACTLY how the UK SHOULD vote if TRUTH and FACTS and EVIDENCE are heeded, because there is not ONE valid reason to remain in.

And we save Ł50 million a day!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This whole thing makes my head hurt.....I honestly don't know what I'm going to do.

For anyone undecided and who is bothered about it, it must make their heads hurt,especially if they really would like to be able to make an informed choice as you appear to want to do.

It is really annoying even to me, who has their mind made up already,at the lack of strong positive info that all can understand and take on board, not being presented by the in organisation who are in the know, far more than anyone else.
For me personally,it is enough for me to look at the UK in the EU now and see we have been successful but there is lots I have little, and no idea as to, that tells me the complexities of the EU workings.

However as I have said and asked for repeatedly,all the negative only stuff against the EU being presented by the out organisations with no costings whatsoever that are substantiated, is equally massively annoying.
They keep saying we will save this much a day, a week, a year.
Well we will pay around Ł9 billion less to the EU but we then also need to be told what costs,tariffs and all other conditions, not only with the EU as to trade we will have to negotiate and have but with all other Nations too outside the EU.

That Ł9 billion, like many other billions our govts have at their disposal would in my view disappear very quickly and probably not to the benefits of the UK that much really.
Meanwhile we will we still have to trade with the EU, accept whatever costs and tariffs they put on us once out and also still be under several of their conditions, such as free movement of EU citizens.

That is why in the absence of any picture of costs etc once out from the out organisations, I will vote to stay put,at least knowing all the costs and conditions we have now in place and not taking risks with no plans whatsoever as to any costings or conditions even.

I always felt that no way could a fair balanced debate on the EU be presented, in this rushed fashion of now only until June I fear that is probably impossible.
The media is biased,then to add insult to injury both camps, in and out, are not telling the truth at all, giving really no important info, and one side is presenting the EU as near perfect,which it is not,while the other is only ever presenting the bad side of the EU as if no good side exists.

There are many benefits in my view to being out too as there are bad,without accurate and substantiated costings however the claims of having more money in real terms being out of the EU, become meaningless since we have no idea how much of it will in the end, end up being spare hard cash.

My guess is, virtually none in the end scenario,just my view.

I really wish you the best of luck AnnieK, in your search for some info to help you and your decision.
I would hate to be in your position as a really undecided but obviously caring voter as to this very important issue.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This whole thing makes my head hurt.....I honestly don't know what I'm going to do.

Me too I really feel like not voting... que sera sera

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There are so many contributory factors and we're getting little or no real information other than scare mongering from both sides... and time is marching on, how is anyone meant to make a considered decision? It's impossible.

That's it in a nutshell Kizzy, for those who are passionate for in/out it's not a issue but given it looks like the fence sitters could swing this, both sides need to put a bit of effort in

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Me too I really feel like not voting... que sera sera

I am more and more convinced that the undecided will just in the end not bother as to the bulk of them.
As I am,like you, almost sure it will be a vote to leave too.

I am in touch with 20 people I know who are undecided and already 8 of them have said, no way are they getting the right picture from either side and so they are now just going to ignore the whole process and not vote.

I said years ago, this referendum could cause us to sleepwalk out of the EU, I personally think it will be a decision regretted once it is too late and we see what then comes about.
Too late then.

[Alf]

You can not have independent Countries inside one Union, it doesn't work.

We currently have unelected people who have no interest but power, making our laws for us.

We're basically giving ourselves a Prison sentence.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Alf

You can not have independent Countries inside one Union, it doesn't work.

We currently have unelected people who have no interest but power making our laws for us.

I agree. The EU needs the UK more than the UK needs them. The sooner we get out the better.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

With 16% not accounted for (undecided?) it could go either way even if one side appears to get a 10% lead. I can't see either side building a lead bigger than 10% so its going to be a fun day come counting time.

It will be a fascinating results programme as to all the breakdowns of how Countries,areas and cities actually voted.
That is one thing to say for this referendum.

[arista]

The Fella is live on LBC
https://twitter.com/StigAbell?

Talking good sense about Cutting Foreign Aid

One Caller said
we the public should be asked.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It will be a fascinating results programme as to all the breakdowns of how Countries,areas and cities actually voted.
That is one thing to say for this referendum.

The SNP didn't judge the mood of the nation correctly with respect to independence, so they are even less likely to get it right on whether they will vote in or out of the EU I don't see the Scottish result being much different from the rest of the UK

[Kizzy]

Doh!!

The Ukip-backed campaign to pull Britain out of the EU has recruited EU migrants to staff its call centre despite telling voters such low-skilled workers “deprive British citizens of jobs”.

Leave.EU employs four phone bank staff from EU countries including Slovakia. Their job is to rally voters across the UK to back Brexit. The appointments come despite Leave.EU claiming that “as the world’s fifth biggest economy, the UK is well placed to supply its own labour”.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ts-arron-banks

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Doh!!

The Ukip-backed campaign to pull Britain out of the EU has recruited EU migrants to staff its call centre despite telling voters such low-skilled workers “deprive British citizens of jobs”.

Leave.EU employs four phone bank staff from EU countries including Slovakia. Their job is to rally voters across the UK to back Brexit. The appointments come despite Leave.EU claiming that “as the world’s fifth biggest economy, the UK is well placed to supply its own labour”.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ts-arron-banks

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[arista]

From the LBC Live debate
a Fella in East London, lost his job, and now his landlord
wants him out , could be to convert his falt into 2 or 3 flats.
His Council can not give him a home
because he is not a refugee.

That Stinks
its no wonder so many want out of the EU.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

From the LBC Live debate
a Fella in East London, lost his job, and now his landlord
wants him out , could be to convert his falt into 2 or 3 flats.
His Council can not give him a home
because he is not a refugee.

That Stinks
its no wonder so many want out of the EU.

How would being out of the EU alter that situation?

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How would being out of the EU alter that situation?

The fella said then he could get a home