[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Drew.

hes just torn down his poster of Scott Sinclair

People over the age of 12 have posters on their wall? News to me.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

People over the age of 12 have posters on their wall? News to me.

You seem a bit tense. Relax a little. We're all friends here.

[Black Dagger]

You are trying to hard bby. Because I'm calmly sat here drinking tea and watching tennis, but do carry on trying to be Sally Morgan.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

You are trying to hard bby. Because I'm calmly sat here drinking tea and watching tennis, but do carry on trying to be Sally Morgan.

I'd like to think I have slightly better predictions than fat Sal.

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

I'd like to think I have slightly better predictions than fat Sal.

[Ryan57]

Time for Rafa's mighty men to down Brenton Rodgers' side.

[Ryan57]

If Spurs/City result stays like this, and United win tomorrow, we have to give Van Pursestrings a GUARD OF bloody HONOUR on Sunday.

A guard of honour, for the biggest traitor in Arsenal history. At our own ground. I think I'm going to be sick. #VanPursestrings

Arsenal could be 5th in League as we give Van Pursestrings his guard of honour. Gazidis & Wenger's catastrophic decision will be laid bare.

[Drew.]

Luiz or Suarez will see a red card, just depends which one tries to attack the other first

[Brother Leon]

Lol. Rafa is actually a hero for these guys


A flag of him next to Shankley...yeah I'm done

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Lol. Rafa is actually a hero for these guys


A flag of him next to Shankley...yeah I'm done

Istanbul.

Took over the dregs of Houlliers team, and turned it around while you lot had already spent Ł30m on Ferdinand, Ł27m on Rooney etc, and he made us competitive, despite only spending Ł15m each season. Don't forget Arsenal were the invincibles, and you and Chelsea were spending loads on top players at that time.

People will try to rewrite history in a way that they never do for any other manager, but the job Rafa did was unquestionably good. Only people who believe the media narrative buy into this Rafa was a clown nonsense. How many managers have won the CL with players like Traore and Biscan?

You want to know why he's a hero? Because of footballing reasons. He spotted what H&G really were before anyone else and he called them out. The media say he got too involved in the politics at the club, but he was fighting for the club, not against it. H&G were the cancer, not Rafa.

Think what you like of Benitez, but he was never the problem. He made some transfer mistakes in his last year, and the team wasn't great, but Fergies first few years were up and down, and he didn't have a cl and fa cup to show for it.

[bbfan1991]

I dislike Benitez in a footballing sense and think he is overrated as a Manager, although he did some good things with both Valencia and Liverpool.

I respect how he is thoughtful and respecting of Hillsborough.

[bbfan1991]

I can't help but feel sorry for Torres. If he leaves Chelsea in the Summer I reckon they will try a swap deal for Falcao.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Istanbul.

Took over the dregs of Houlliers team, and turned it around while you lot had already spent Ł30m on Ferdinand, Ł27m on Rooney etc, and he made us competitive, despite only spending Ł15m each season. Don't forget Arsenal were the invincibles, and you and Chelsea were spending loads on top players at that time.

People will try to rewrite history in a way that they never do for any other manager, but the job Rafa did was unquestionably good. Only people who believe the media narrative buy into this Rafa was a clown nonsense. How many managers have won the CL with players like Traore and Biscan?

You want to know why he's a hero? Because of footballing reasons. He spotted what H&G really were before anyone else and he called them out. The media say he got too involved in the politics at the club, but he was fighting for the club, not against it. H&G were the cancer, not Rafa.

Think what you like of Benitez, but he was never the problem. He made some transfer mistakes in his last year, and the team wasn't great, but Fergies first few years were up and down, and he didn't have a cl and fa cup to show for it.

To be fair, we also bought Liam Miller and David Bellion around that time. Rooney was the only big signing. Rio came two years previous so wouldn't really count him. We had a sh-it team back then.

Rafa did a good job but there was also some luck in that Champions League run.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

To be fair, we also bought Liam Miller and David Bellion around that time. Rooney was the only big signing. Rio came two years previous so wouldn't really count him. We had a sh-it team back then.

Rafa did a good job but there was also some luck in that Champions League run.

I agree. Every manager has had their good/bad signings, you can scout someone a lot or take an interest but you never know how the player will peform until you see them play.

Some players unfortunately struggle to live up to the hype, where as some do well and maintain it unless there is a decline in form, but it depends on the mentality they have and looking after themselves.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

To be fair, we also bought Liam Miller and David Bellion around that time. Rooney was the only big signing. Rio came two years previous so wouldn't really count him. We had a sh-it team back then.

Rafa did a good job but there was also some luck in that Champions League run.

That was my point - you had a team already packed out with quality, and Rafa was criticised for the fact that we weren't winning everything. For every Liam Miller and Bellion you had, we had a Josemi, a Biscan or a Traore.

Where was the luck in the CL run? I can only think of the 3-0 comeback.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That was my point - you had a team already packed out with quality, and Rafa was criticised for the fact that we weren't winning everything. For every Liam Miller and Bellion you had, we had a Josemi, a Biscan or a Traore.

Where was the luck in the CL run? I can only think of the 3-0 comeback.

You got the results, fair play I would take any win even if my team did not play at their best and I am sure you feel the same about Liverpool?

United got called lucky by Chelsea fans in 08 because of winning on penalties in Moscow, but it was OK for them to win it on penalties last year vs Bayern Munich.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That was my point - you had a team already packed out with quality, and Rafa was criticised for the fact that we weren't winning everything. For every Liam Miller and Bellion you had, we had a Josemi, a Biscan or a Traore.

Where was the luck in the CL run? I can only think of the 3-0 comeback.

Packed with quality is not how a lot of United fans would of deemed the side back then xD. Ronaldo was still a raw talent. Silvestre at centre back. Two useless keepers in Howard and Carroll. Two widely deemed, harshly imo, flops in Djemba - Djemba (so good they named him twice) and Kleberson. We had lot's of issues back then. We were miles from Mourinho's Chelsea. Also just remembered Kieran Richardson. Played him at flippin' left back sometimes.

And I wouldn't really deem coming back luck, unless you gain some kind of advantage which shouldn't of been (offside goal or a penalty that wasn't for example).
Anywho, what I was referring to was the 'ghost goal', Luis Garcia in the semi final. And that penalty shoot out in the final was so poorly reffed. Dudek was way infront of his line before the ball had even been taken. Was a total joke.



Goal, smallest man on the pitch. SMH.

[Ryan57]

Class oozing all over the pitch.

[King Gizzard]

Bale coming back from an ankle injury/not being 100% and still being Tottenhams best player, guy is brilliant..I am warming to him

[Brother Leon]

Oh dear. Poor defending.

[King Gizzard]

Too ****ed financially to keep Mou/those players

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Too ****ed financially to keep Mou/those players

And I cannot stand AC Milan, vile club and because of that hideous man Silvio Berlusconi.

I respect their history, prestige, fanbase and glamour etc though!

[King Gizzard]

I cannot stand every time Chelsea get a new manager they're immediately to blame when it's all about Roman and JT, mainly

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I cannot stand every time Chelsea get a new manager they're immediately to blame when it's all about Roman and JT, mainly

I agree and no-one has criticised Lampard for how he treated AVB when it was publically outed in the papers.

The players have too much power there and the revolving door of Managers does not help either.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I cannot stand every time Chelsea get a new manager they're immediately to blame when it's all about Roman and JT, mainly

Roman will smugly point to the fact they've still won trophies. However, I don't look at it that way personally.

I still find the Ranieri sacking really unfair. Roman will point to the glory he got with Jose but, Ranieri with a bunch of new players that needed time to gel got them to second spot in the league. Second behind a team that finished unbeaten. And the semi-finals of the Champions League when I believe they had some injury problems. Remember third choice keeper (think he was third choice at that time) Ambrosio playing.

And sacking Ancelotti the day after he sees United win a record 19th title due to longevity.