[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

They didn't bully Freddie. If they bullied Freddie, they would have been warned and/or kicked out of the house by BB. There are rules in place.

Not being in a social group does not mean you were bullied. Is Freddie bullying now then, because nobody is allowed in his hippy bubble with Bea?

Marcus is isolated, upset and self-destructing, yet Freddie never talks to him now. Much loyalty ... not.

As I recall, Lisa was warned, twice for threatening behaviour. hence her keeping her gob shut during arguements now.

She frequently speaks of her warnings, the first time which comes to mind was during the charlie/rodrigo oil thing, she said then that she had had 2 warnings.

Your issue is not with liking lisa, it is disliking freddie. As your posts have clearly shown.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by jet

Marcus bullied Sree in a horrible way. Why isn't he the most hated housemate then? Is bullying okay for one person and not for another?

I think if you check, even just the first page of the forum you may find marcus is hated for threatening behaviour/bullying also.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Because it would mean he'd be falling in love straight from the off with a girl, just because she fits into his socio-economic category, and ethnic category. He'd have a little more credibility if he fell in love after a week of getting to know her, and ideally other HMs.

I will refer you to the post above yours...

He had a thing for noirin first.

[Beastie]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Because it would mean he'd be falling in love straight from the off with a girl, just because she fits into his socio-economic category, and ethnic category. He'd have a little more credibility if he fell in love after a week of getting to know her, and ideally other HMs.

It's similar to Marcus hating Tom instantly because Tom was alpha and everything Marcus wanted to be (but wasn't!) ... but in reverse.

he fancied noirin as well! and actually right at the beginning he had some feelings for sophie as well!! he doesnt just fall for people who are part of the "socio economic group" get your facts right!

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Your issue is not with liking lisa, it is disliking freddie. As your posts have clearly shown.

I don't dislike Freddie, it's just a simple way for me to highlight that Lisa is good, by contrasting her with the current fan's favourite.

I could compare her to Marcus or whatever, but then that wouldn't be highlighting the fact that she has a lot of good qualities, would it?

My point is, she is wise, experienced and completely cleansed of prejudices and silly bias.

[Beastie]

why is she experienced then?

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

I don't dislike Freddie, it's just a simple way for me to highlight that Lisa is good, by contrasting her with the current fan's favourite.

I could compare her to Marcus or whatever, but then that wouldn't be highlighting the fact that she has a lot of good qualities, would it?

My point is, she is wise, experienced and completely cleansed of prejudices and silly bias.

Whatever, you clearly have no intention of widening your mind, or listening to other peoples points of view, since it has already been pointed out to you how she IS predjudiced and not quite the saint you make out, and you just happen to ignore these facts, so there is no need to continue this.


Banging my head against a brick wall springs to mind.

[Harry!]

There is Lisa fans but they are waiting in the dole queue waiting for her 100,000 pounds when she wins the show.

[jet]

Originally posted by VickyJ

It was the agressive way that she did it, and practically spitting in his face while she was shouting, disgusting.

I don't see the whole incident, and what led up to it, in quite the same way you do. Lisa should certainly not have done what she did, but you could say that most of the HM's have done stupid, and sometimes horrible, things. Have you forgotten how the 'other' group talked and laughed at Freddie behind his back in the early days? I still don't get why Lisa is the chosen hated one.

[Beastie]

Originally posted by Harry.
There is Lisa fans but they are waiting in the dole queue waiting for her 100,000 pounds when she wins the show.

lol harry!! shes at least staying for as long as possible because big brother pays them to be in there! for maintenance and all that!!

shes not experienced!! shes never worked in her life!!

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I will refer you to the post above yours...

He had a thing for noirin first.

Not really, only because of the boredom and confines of the house. It wasn't any real passion or lust. Noirin is the token fanciable girl of the house, everyone has had some sort of 'love link' to her.

It was nothing like how he really liked Bea straight from the off, and made a very conscious effort to get to know her and appease her.

Btw, having some level of prejudice doesn't mean a clear cut scenario of liking one and hating the other, or similar. There's gradual levels of like and dislike, and it's distorted by other factors like how cool/pretty/popular/funny etc a person is.

I'm sure nobody crosses someone off their list purely because of their category. It can just be a dampener, or dominates their good points.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by jet


I don't see the whole incident, and what led up to it, in quite the same way you do. Lisa should certainly not have done what she did, but you could say that most of the HM's have done stupid, and sometimes horrible, things. Have you forgotten how the 'other' group talked and laughed at Freddie behind his back in the early days? I still don't get why Lisa is the chosen hated one.

No I havent, however, they did not go out of their way to make him feel small.

The way kris just said 'were not talking to you freddie' over and over

Lisa walking off singing.

Karly screaming at him to shut up when practicing for the singing task...

I dislike the 3 of them equally, because I think they were all terrible in the way they went about it. Also the way one of them couldnt argue, the others all had to jump up and start too.

[Beastie]

Originally posted by jet

I don't see the whole incident, and what led up to it, in quite the same way you do. Lisa should certainly not have done what she did, but you could say that most of the HM's have done stupid, and sometimes horrible, things. Have you forgotten how the 'other' group talked and laughed at Freddie behind his back in the early days? I still don't get why Lisa is the chosen hated one.

this thread is about lisa!! thats why im only talking mainly about lisa!!

but karlys, kris's and sometimes charlies and dogfaces foul mouths were out of order too!!

[Harry!]

Originally posted by bbfanatic

lol harry!! shes at least staying for as long as possible because big brother pays them to be in there! for maintenance and all that!!

shes not experienced!! shes never worked in her life!!

Rolling fags, I count that as work experience.

[Beastie]

at the beginning freddie said he had feelings for sophie! but sophie through his approchfullness back in his face and went over to kris!!

freddie was in the house the first 6 weeks with no real friends!! angel leaving in week 3!

bea was a newbie and freddie was excited for new people to come in and hope that at least one of them would be his friend!!

[jet]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I think if you check, even just the first page of the forum you may find marcus is hated for threatening behaviour/bullying also.

But he's not the most hated, is he? No, many see him as a 'cool dude' whereas Lisa has been called all sorts of homophobic names by a lot of those who hate her, which kind of gives the game away...

FYI - I like Freddie too.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Whatever, you clearly have no intention of widening your mind, or listening to other peoples points of view, since it has already been pointed out to you how she IS predjudiced and not quite the saint you make out, and you just happen to ignore these facts, so there is no need to continue this.

Banging my head against a brick wall springs to mind.

She is not prejudiced, others have suggested she dislike Freddie because of his wealth, but to me that's utter BS, as I outlined.

She isn't a saint, she does have bad points, everyone does. She is a hard woman, can be quite intimidating and vociferous when she's in the mood. She does gather 'troops' so to speak. But that also reveals her strategic qualities, to stay in BB.

I do listen to people's opinions. I'm always open to change!

[Beastie]

freddie fancied bea before knowing anything about her background!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by jet


But he's not the most hated, is he? No, many see him as a 'cool dude' whereas Lisa has been called all sorts of homophobic names by a lot of those who hate her, which kind of gives the game away...

FYI - I like Freddie too.

No, I believe currently according to the threads, noirin is the most hated.

And whilst there may be a select few people who dislike lisa for being gay, I assure you this is not the opinion of most people.

They simply dont like her because she is a nasty person.

Also, care to quote a few of these homophobic posts? I do not believe I have seen any about Lisa.

[Beastie]

well im just sticking up for freddie! and freddie is not prejudiced either!!

[Beastie]

yeah i dont like lisa because shes a nasty person!! i couldnt give a damn what her sexual orientation is!! or where she comes from!

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
freddie fancied bea before knowing anything about her background!

That sounds even worse. So he just assumes it then, from her appearance and voice!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

She is not prejudiced, others have suggested she dislike Freddie because of his wealth, but to me that's utter BS, as I outlined.

She isn't a saint, she does have bad points, everyone does. She is a hard woman and can be quite intimidating. She does gather 'troops' so to speak. But it's testiment to her strategic qualities, to stay in.

I do listen to people's opinions. I'm always open to change.

Ok then.

Well, you said lisa couldnt possibly have been 'bullying' freddie as she would have been warned for it.

I pointed out that she had been warned, twice, so now do you agree that she was bullying him? Or at least behaving in a threatening way? Once we can get over this, we can get to the real reason she is disliked.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

That sounds even worse. So he just assumes it then, from her appearance and voice!

Assumes that he fancies her just from seeing her? Yeah...

Isnt that normal?

[Beastie]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

That sounds even worse. So he just assumes it then, from her appearance and voice!

he just liked her and fell for her when he saw her and first spoke to her!! you cant help who you fall in love with!!