[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Lisa however, I was pleasently surprised again...kept out of it except a few little snipes...david was just ridiculous with his whole jumping thing

Lisa is the real gameplayer, real gameplayer's don't end up being in 2-way evictions.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Siavash asked Marcus who he voted for, it was Sophie and David. Sophie told him she was voting Marcus and David,
Siavash said he could not ask Rodrigo, as he wouldnt say, sophie said, Oh he will be voting Marcus and David...

Siavash knew Lisa, Charlie and David would be voting For him
and Marcus, so lets add these up...

Marcus 5

Siavash 3

David 3

Sophie 1

So, in his mind, if he had voted for David it would have put up just Marcus and David, which is what he said, and he would not have been up...he could not vote for himself with his second vote, so he was trying to get 3 up in the mix, which included himself. He was wrong because Rodrigo voted him and Marcus, but he had no reason to think Sophie would of got Rods nominations wrong...they are very close.

A bit complicated I know...but I believe this is what he meant, hopefully you understand it...

I'm so glad someone has done this post.

He also said that he was prepared to take the risk of David NOT being up and it being a head to head between himself and Marcus, he just wanted to be up himself anyway so that the public could decide whether he deserves a place in the final week or not. Like he said, no free rides.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Lisa is the real gameplayer, real gameplayer's don't end up being in 2-way evictions.

OK...you seem to respect lisa for this.

But, say i am wrong about siavash having honourable intentions with not nominating...and he DID do it to get a 3 way AND look the good guy...is that not also playing an absolutely brilliant game? Especially so close to the final?

Endearing himself to viewers, AND getting rid of an opponent in the competition?

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

I'm so glad someone has done this post.

He also said that he was prepared to take the risk of David NOT being up and it being a head to head between himself and Marcus, he just wanted to be up himself anyway so that the public could decide whether he deserves a place in the final week or not. Like he said, no free rides.

I missed that bit...was too busy typing furiously so that i didnt forget my line of logic, or what was said/who nommed who etc...its easily done for me...

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
I'm so glad someone has done this post.

He also said that he was prepared to take the risk of David NOT being up and it being a head to head between himself and Marcus, he just wanted to be up himself anyway so that the public could decide whether he deserves a place in the final week or not. Like he said, no free rides.

But he was repulsed by the idea of asking people to nom him, and ENSURE a 2-way Marcus vs Siavash eviction. He told Charlie he didn't want this scenario. The question arises ... why not?

He only seems happy if it's likely that David is in the mix. And by Vicky's post based on Siavash's plans, that means 3 noms for the pair of them.

Marcus vs Siavash, in his mind, was only a slight risk. But again, why not ensure a 2-way?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
But, say i am wrong about siavash having honourable intentions with not nominating...and he DID do it to get a 3 way AND look the good guy...is that not also playing an absolutely brilliant game? Especially so close to the final?

Endearing himself to viewers, AND getting rid of an opponent in the competition?

I can't believe he has honourable intentions because if he did, he'd ask everyone to nom him and ensure a 2-way eviction. His whole plan seems to hinge on David being in the mix (most likely, in his mind). The 2-way eviction scenario repulsed him.

But I agree it is excellent gameplay, in theory, although it hasn't really panned out too well in the end, for him, as it is a 2-way eviction ...

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

But he was repulsed by the idea of asking people to nom him, and ENSURE a 2-way Marcus vs Siavash eviction. He told Charlie he didn't want this scenario. The question arises ... why not?

He only seems happy if it's likely that David is in the mix. And by Vicky's post based on Siavash's plans, that means 3 noms for the pair of them.

Marcus vs Siavash, in his mind, was only a slight risk. But again, why not ensure a 2-way?

That is the one thing I did agree with Charlie about, why did he not just ask everyone to nominate him? I don't have the answer to that one.

My point is that Siavash was battling with the decision on whether to nominate or not, as has been mentioned before, he thought that David already had 3 nominations, so he could have just nominated and taken himself out of the eviction as far as he knew, by nominating David (he didn't know that Rodrigo had stabbed him in the back and nommed him.)

So if he had wanted to avoid eviction he would have simply nommed David but he didn't because he wanted to be up. He said in the diary room that he was willing to take the risk of it being JUST him and Marcus in a head to head, because he would rather go on Friday fair and square, voted out by the public, then go through to the final week on a free pass. So he didn't nominate for the sole reason of getting himself put up, EITHER in a three way or a two way. Of course he would rather it was 3 of them up, anyone would rather that!

[setanta]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

But he was repulsed by the idea of asking people to nom him, and ENSURE a 2-way Marcus vs Siavash eviction. He told Charlie he didn't want this scenario. The question arises ... why not?

He only seems happy if it's likely that David is in the mix. And by Vicky's post based on Siavash's plans, that means 3 noms for the pair of them.

Marcus vs Siavash, in his mind, was only a slight risk. But again, why not ensure a 2-way?

He didn't want to ensure this 2-way vote cuz there was no value in it, especially since he's not been voting for 2 weeks already and he said that a 3 way vote would have suited him down to the ground. His intentions are fairly obvious- keep looking cool and neutral to the viewers while the rest bicker and fight. So obvious but sure not many can see it here.

[free3]

he thought rod had voted david, no matter what he said in the d/r. that would have made it 3 way , he wanted to no who voted who. asking every1 but rods wouldnt tell. think about it if you wanted to be up for eviction would you try to figure out who else was up? how many were up? noooooooooo ,it wouldnt matter to you if you really just wanted to be up. its simple.

[santaa]

Im loosing the will to live. I need to get a life or some sleep or something

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

I can't believe he has honourable intentions because if he did, he'd ask everyone to nom him and ensure a 2-way eviction. His whole plan seems to hinge on David being in the mix (most likely, in his mind). The 2-way eviction scenario repulsed him.

But I agree it is excellent gameplay, in theory, although it hasn't really panned out too well in the end, for him, as it is a 2-way eviction ...

IF this comment is true...then why did he not nominate david then...based on his views that this would ensure a marcus V david eviction?

If he is indeed terrified of a 2 way with marcus, surely the best way to overcome that would be to make sure he isnt up...since he said he KNEW there was a chance that rod had not voted those two and it may well be him and marcus up if he didnt nominate?

[NONESHALLPASS]

Originally posted by VickyJ

IF this comment is true...then why did he not nominate david then...based on his views that this would ensure a marcus V david eviction?

If he is indeed terrified of a 2 way with marcus, surely the best way to overcome that would be to make sure he isnt up...since he said he KNEW there was a chance that rod had not voted those two and it may well be him and marcus up if he didnt nominate?

I honestly think siavsh wasnt being galant at all in what he did, he was wanting david up so he had a better chance of staying, but he miscalculated rod nomming david when he didnt.
He listened to sophie saying rod would vote david & marcus
Instead of nominating david and ensuring david was up.
And charlie was spot on when he said why if you wanted to go up why didnt you ask people to nom you??
Why indeed charlie

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by NONESHALLPASS
I honestly think siavsh wasnt being galant at all in what he did, he was wanting david up so he had a better chance of staying, but he miscalculated rod nomming david when he didnt.
He listened to sophie saying rod would vote david & marcus
Instead of nominating david and ensuring david was up.
And charlie was spot on when he said why if you wanted to go up why didnt you ask people to nom you??
Why indeed charlie

He was wanting david up so he had a better chance of staying...

Again, he could of had a 100% chance of staying, had he just chosen to nominate David, instead of not nominating...

This is of course going on the nominations he believed happened, in reality, his vote wouldnt have made a difference at all.

Which is part of the reason i dont get why people are kicking off...whatever he chose to do would no way influence the vote anyway

Personally, I feel it is marcus fans trying to make siavash look bad so marcus has more chance of staying...since to be honest, we will never know EXACTLY what siavash's plan was...

I dont care who stays out of the two now, ever since marcus' slagging off of his 'mate' and his cocky comments.

[AhmedFan2004]

Erm but Vicky, if he nommed David, that would go against all of his 'I want to be up', 'No Free Rides', 'Anti-Scheming' ethos he's been promoting. He cannot do this, or else he contradicts himself and looks awful, much worse than tonight's HLs.

He has to look good, whatever he decides. Which is logical in one sense, but then he is scheming, being deceptive, trying to fix things, etc.

He can't nom David on purpose to ensure David vs Marcus, as then he contradicts everything he's been claiming for ages. And it would look very blunt on TV ... his motives of winning. I know others are schemers, but they're less blunt and obey the rules and play the game. So it's pretty legit really.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
IF this comment is true...then why did he not nominate david then...based on his views that this would ensure a marcus V david eviction?

As it was banged on about 1000 times on the HL show; to play 'Mr Nice Guy' and win the show. This was the main point of the HL show, lol.

He's gotta be the hero ... just as long as David is in the mix, funnily enough.

[setanta]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Erm but Vicky, if he nommed David, that would go against all of his 'I want to be up', 'No Free Rides', 'Anti-Scheming' ethos he's been promoting. He cannot do this, or else he contradicts himself and looks awful, much worse than tonight's HLs.

He has to look good, whatever he decides. Which is logical in one sense, but then he is scheming, being deceptive, trying to fix things, etc.

He can't nom David on purpose to ensure David vs Marcus, as then he contradicts everything he's been claiming for ages. And it would look very blunt on TV ... his motives of winning. I know others are schemers, but they're less blunt and obey the rules and play the game. So it's pretty legit really.

Well said Ahmed.

[Colbert-Bump]

I like Siavash but his whole nomination routine is utter madness and can't be defended. We could have got rid of the likes of Lisa and David weeks ago but he mucked it up big-time.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Colbert-Bump
I like Siavash but his whole nomination routine is utter madness and can't be defended. We could have got rid of the likes of Lisa and David weeks ago but he mucked it up big-time.

Actually, the only time lisa would of been up, was when bb brought the newbies in and gave them that ridiculous task. Ensuring either way that lisa would not face eviction.

[Colbert-Bump]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Actually, the only time lisa would of been up, was when bb brought the newbies in and gave them that ridiculous task. Ensuring either way that lisa would not face eviction.

I meant before that when he voted for Karly or maybe it was Angel instead of Lisa.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Actually, the only time lisa would of been up, was when bb brought the newbies in and gave them that ridiculous task. Ensuring either way that lisa would not face eviction.

The week Karly went, Siavash nommed Noirin and Karly. If he nommed Noirin and Lisa instead, Lisa was up instead of Karly. And evicted ...

So he blew it all the way back then.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

The week Karly went, Siavash nommed Noirin and Karly. If he nommed Noirin and Lisa instead, Lisa was up instead of Karly. And evicted ...

So he blew it all the way back then.

Sorry...am i hearing right...he is now being slated FOR nominating as normal but failing to nominate the right people?!

[Colbert-Bump]

Yes he is.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

The week Karly went, Siavash nommed Noirin and Karly. If he nommed Noirin and Lisa instead, Lisa was up instead of Karly. And evicted ...

So he blew it all the way back then.

You really are nit picking now!

He gets slated for not nominating, now people are ripping apart all the nominations he made in the past, which, because they weren't part of a blatant block vote like Lisa and her cronies, meant that Lisa hasn't been up for eviction?

I get that people don't like the guy, and fair enough, I would never sit here and say he's mister perfect, but this is getting ridiculous now.

[Vicky.]

How pathetic then

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Sorry...am i hearing right...he is now being slated FOR nominating as normal but failing to nominate the right people?!

I just basically said the exact same thing.

This is just getting stupid now.

I really hope he stays on Friday to shut some of these people up.