[headaball]

[rquote=2554923&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554900&tid=147173&author=headaball]Marcus and Siavash in Burger King. Siavash looks wrecked. http://twitpic.com/gyrzu[/rquote]

Who is this jon almond geezer?[/rquote]

He works for bb. He ran the bb twitter page, I think.

[HalfwitFTW]

[rquote=2554900&tid=147173&author=headaball]Marcus and Siavash in Burger King. Siavash looks wrecked. http://twitpic.com/gyrzu[/rquote]

LMAO... Burger King.

Rock and Roll!

[Patricia4]

Nice pictures thankyou

[J-Rock]

[rquote=2554918&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554880&tid=147173&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2554867&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554844&tid=147173&author=VickyJ][rquote=2554826&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck]
Well it's fun. Big Brother is a story and you have good guys and bad guys. It's just part of having a laugh and the more you put into it, the more you get out.

[/rquote]

But they are real people though, not some characters in a soap opera or something...[/rquote]

Yeah I know.

I dislike Siavash more than anybody I have seen on the show and his behaviour has been (ignoring criminals who have physically and mentally harmed people) some of the worst I have seen on TV. I would go far as to say I pity the people closest to him. He'd step over his own mother to get something and I guess that's what he's done.

If he didn't have such a huge ego, he'd be worse. His arrogance at not wanting to work makes him less worse. If he was somebody who loved to graft - he'd be worse but it's all bravado and arrogance and a jelly spine.

[/rquote]

Really???? You don't think that Beas behaviour was a million times worse????[/rquote]

No

Not as bad as him. She showed remorse and that is why. She apologised as well. I also feel that Freddie turned people against her and took the rejection personally and against her.

I felt some of the home truths she gave Freddie regarding his "observations" and his "views" on people (which he oddly said wasn't bitching and backstabbing) was about 10 weeks too late.

If Bea was in at the beginning to keep Freddie on a leash, he wouldn't have become childish during nominations and would have won the whole thing.[/rquote]


The jury is in. The Truck is indeed a troll.

[Niamh.]

[/rquote]

Really???? You don't think that Beas behaviour was a million times worse????[/rquote]

No

Not as bad as him. She showed remorse and that is why. She apologised as well. I also feel that Freddie turned people against her and took the rejection personally and against her.

I felt some of the home truths she gave Freddie regarding his "observations" and his "views" on people (which he oddly said wasn't bitching and backstabbing) was about 10 weeks too late.

If Bea was in at the beginning to keep Freddie on a leash, he wouldn't have become childish during nominations and would have won the whole thing.[/rquote]

Oh God, it's absolutely amazing how 2 people can watch the same thing and see such different things!!! LOL

[Vicky.]

[rquote=2554912&tid=147173&author=setanta]
But it's not hatred. And you have slagged housemates in the past, like we all have.... that's what we do. To suddenly say it's hatred because it's poor Siavash is silly really.[/rquote]

I have never to my knowledge, slagged housemates to the extent that the vash bashers go to. I may have disagreed with what they did, I know I called Bea a bitch a few times but I have never ever gone to the extremes that you lot go to.

And I have said not a bad word since BB finished, as I realise it is just a tv show and is heavily edited anyway, to continue on trying to make out every little thing they do makes them the devil is just pathetic.

And its not just people who dislike siavash, it is everyone who appears to have irrational hatred for any housemate. Nothing to do with it being him, he wasnt even my favourite.

It seems only marcus and siavash have the stalkers...so it may seem like I only have a problem with people who say anything about them, but its just because noone else seems to have any FMs who are quite so obsessed with them.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2554941&tid=147173&author=Niamhxo]


Oh God, it's absolutely amazing how 2 people can watch the same thing and see such different things!!! LOL [/rquote]

Yeah but some of us see good and bad in people.

Freddie isn't innocent, neither is Bea.

If you think Freddie is all that special, you could, I don't know, go to his house and sit outside there and pray at his feet? Maybe he would like them to be washed too.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2554940&tid=147173&author=J-Rock]

The jury is in. The Truck is indeed a troll. [/rquote]

OK I get it. When you can't cope with somebody who disagrees with you and explains why you will do a poo and throw it, oops sorry, that's the chimps section at the zoo, I mean, start to hurl insults.

[J-Rock]

Why are FMs bothering with this Trucker? I'm not trying to be personal or anything, and I may be told off, but it's got to the stage now where I feel 'they' (they call themselves 'they' by the way - probably a group of silly boys) are just trolling, and trying to mix it in with occassional posts that sound OK.

Just IMO...

Shame alot of the better FMs have now gone.

[Niamh.]

[rquote=2554959&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554941&tid=147173&author=Niamhxo]


Oh God, it's absolutely amazing how 2 people can watch the same thing and see such different things!!! LOL [/rquote]

Yeah but some of us see good and bad in people.

Freddie isn't innocent, neither is Bea.

If you think Freddie is all that special, you could, I don't know, go to his house and sit outside there and pray at his feet? Maybe he would like them to be washed too.[/rquote]

Actually, I didn't even like Freddie that much, I found him a bit iratating!! Why would you assume that I did like him? Just cos I didn't like Bea?? I didn't like Beas behaviour towards David, Noirin and Marcus either

[J-Rock]

[rquote=2554961&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554940&tid=147173&author=J-Rock]

The jury is in. The Truck is indeed a troll. [/rquote]

OK I get it. When you can't cope with somebody who disagrees with you and explains why you will do a poo and throw it, oops sorry, that's the chimps section at the zoo, I mean, start to hurl insults.[/rquote]

Nah, I've just worked you all out.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2554970&tid=147173&author=J-Rock][rquote=2554961&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554940&tid=147173&author=J-Rock]

The jury is in. The Truck is indeed a troll. [/rquote]

OK I get it. When you can't cope with somebody who disagrees with you and explains why you will do a poo and throw it, oops sorry, that's the chimps section at the zoo, I mean, start to hurl insults.[/rquote]

Nah, I've just worked you all out. [/rquote]

If that's the sum of your views after seeing two differing opinions, maybe you should join a political party where they chastise you to the back seats if you don't agree with their oppressive motives.

[setanta]

[rquote=2554950&tid=147173&author=VickyJ][rquote=2554912&tid=147173&author=setanta]
But it's not hatred. And you have slagged housemates in the past, like we all have.... that's what we do. To suddenly say it's hatred because it's poor Siavash is silly really.[/rquote]

I have never to my knowledge, slagged housemates to the extent that the vash bashers go to. I may have disagreed with what they did, I know I called Bea a bitch a few times but I have never ever gone to the extremes that you lot go to.

And I have said not a bad word since BB finished, as I realise it is just a tv show and is heavily edited anyway, to continue on trying to make out every little thing they do makes them the devil is just pathetic.

And its not just people who dislike siavash, it is everyone who appears to have irrational hatred for any housemate. Nothing to do with it being him, he wasnt even my favourite.

It seems only marcus and siavash have the stalkers...so it may seem like I only have a problem with people who say anything about them, but its just because noone else seems to have any FMs who are quite so obsessed with them.[/rquote]

But do you not see how mental the reaction is when somebody decides to have a dig at Siavash? Compare to when somebody slags Bea or Kris.

And the only thing I hate is the way Siavash fans call it irrational hatred when we have a go at him. It's like they have this kneejerk reaction to anyone who dares to criticize him. And Vicky I've seen some of your posts regarding Siavash and you do like him alot more than your average housemate

[J-Rock]

[rquote=2554973&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554970&tid=147173&author=J-Rock][rquote=2554961&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554940&tid=147173&author=J-Rock]

The jury is in. The Truck is indeed a troll. [/rquote]

OK I get it. When you can't cope with somebody who disagrees with you and explains why you will do a poo and throw it, oops sorry, that's the chimps section at the zoo, I mean, start to hurl insults.[/rquote]

Nah, I've just worked you all out. [/rquote]

If that's the sum of your views after seeing two differing opinions, maybe you should join a political party where they chastise you to the back seats if you don't agree with their oppressive motives.[/rquote]

Haha. Trying the 'articulate' post now (even if non-sensical), after the 'poo-poo' one? I've got your number...and it's after many other threads, not 'two differing opinions'.

But, I'm not a mod, so I have no power other than to voice my view. From the political party of one.

[Beastie]

the photos are not loading for me just a black screen! boo hoo

[HalfwitFTW]

[rquote=2554867&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554844&tid=147173&author=VickyJ][rquote=2554826&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck]
Well it's fun. Big Brother is a story and you have good guys and bad guys. It's just part of having a laugh and the more you put into it, the more you get out.

[/rquote]

But they are real people though, not some characters in a soap opera or something...[/rquote]

Yeah I know.

I dislike Siavash more than anybody I have seen on the show and his behaviour has been (ignoring criminals who have physically and mentally harmed people) some of the worst I have seen on TV. I would go far as to say I pity the people closest to him. He'd step over his own mother to get something and I guess that's what he's done.

If he didn't have such a huge ego, he'd be worse. His arrogance at not wanting to work makes him less worse. If he was somebody who loved to graft - he'd be worse but it's all bravado and arrogance and a jelly spine.

[/rquote]

First you say he is arrogant and has an ego, then you say he is insecure and suffering from 'short man syndrome'... make your mind up will ya!

I dont think he is arrogant... when he is bragging its all tongue in cheek.. a bit like Marcus and his bragging about his strength, etc..

[Vicky.]

[rquote=2554980&tid=147173&author=setanta]
But do you not see how mental the reaction is when somebody decides to have a dig at Siavash? Compare to when somebody slags Bea or Kris.

And the only thing I hate is the way Siavash fans call it irrational hatred when we have a go at him. It's like they have this kneejerk reaction to anyone who dares to criticize him. And Vicky I've seen some of your posts regarding Siavash and you do like him alot more than your average housemate[/rquote]

Siavash is my joint 5th fave housemate. Freddie, Marcus, Angel, Noirin, Siavash/Rodrigo.

Its not just having a go at him thought when it is in every post, and im not talking about you here by the way. MT more than anyone else. Every little thing he did STILL being scrutinised. The others bad deeds been long forgotten but Siavashs brought up again and again and again. Same with marcus.

Just seems very strange to me how he causes such reactions in people that they feel the need to go on and on about him even after BB has finished. To the extent that they do.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2554985&tid=147173&author=J-Rock][rquote=2554973&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554970&tid=147173&author=J-Rock][rquote=2554961&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554940&tid=147173&author=J-Rock]

The jury is in. The Truck is indeed a troll. [/rquote]

OK I get it. When you can't cope with somebody who disagrees with you and explains why you will do a poo and throw it, oops sorry, that's the chimps section at the zoo, I mean, start to hurl insults.[/rquote]

Nah, I've just worked you all out. [/rquote]

If that's the sum of your views after seeing two differing opinions, maybe you should join a political party where they chastise you to the back seats if you don't agree with their oppressive motives.[/rquote]

Haha. Trying the 'articulate' post now (even if non-sensical), after the 'poo-poo' one? I've got your number...and it's after many other threads, not 'two differing opinions'.

But, I'm not a mod, so I have no power other than to voice my view. From the political party of one.[/rquote]

No.

I've got your number.

You are agitated and frustrated when somebody doesn't like your favourite. In your view, you have made a grand choice, the best choice a brilliant choice

BUT

When somebody criticises your fave, has the nerve (in your view after you spent hour of mental anguish and frustration fighting for him, viewing him, devoting time to him) to say they are the worst

It hurts. It hurts real bad.

Maybe, try and accept simply that people have different opinions but I don't think that is possible when your view of the housemate is based on the fact that they are your living representation of how you want the world to be.

I've read around fanaticism you see and the psychology of it. How somebody requires living representations in mass media to express their moral view. It's a truly subconcious dilemma.

No... you just don't like the fact I don't like who you like.

Otherwise... here is a dilemma for you? Are fans of housemates, obsessive fans of housemates - trolls?

[CaraRawr]

Sophie's hair <3 Bea's dress <3

LOL at Angel.

Awwwwwomg at Roddy! :3 He looks so CUTEEEE~ Char too.

AND VASHERS LOOKS FABULOUS, NGL.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2554988&tid=147173&author=HalfwitFTW][rquote=2554867&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554844&tid=147173&author=VickyJ][rquote=2554826&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck]
Well it's fun. Big Brother is a story and you have good guys and bad guys. It's just part of having a laugh and the more you put into it, the more you get out.

[/rquote]

But they are real people though, not some characters in a soap opera or something...[/rquote]

Yeah I know.

I dislike Siavash more than anybody I have seen on the show and his behaviour has been (ignoring criminals who have physically and mentally harmed people) some of the worst I have seen on TV. I would go far as to say I pity the people closest to him. He'd step over his own mother to get something and I guess that's what he's done.

If he didn't have such a huge ego, he'd be worse. His arrogance at not wanting to work makes him less worse. If he was somebody who loved to graft - he'd be worse but it's all bravado and arrogance and a jelly spine.

[/rquote]

First you say he is arrogant and has an ego, then you say he is insecure and suffering from 'short man syndrome'... make your mind up will ya!

I dont think he is arrogant... when he is bragging its all tongue in cheek.. a bit like Marcus and his bragging about his strength, etc..
[/rquote]

LOL

Now I know why you struggle.

DO you know what short man syndrome is? It's someone who has a huge ego to compensate for being small.

Yeah, that's right. Marcus beat up 100 men in Karate and attempted (badly) a flying kick and fell like a sack of spuds. He went around saying he would beat up Tom too.

Oh come on please...

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2554992&tid=147173&author=VickyJ][rquote=2554980&tid=147173&author=setanta]
But do you not see how mental the reaction is when somebody decides to have a dig at Siavash? Compare to when somebody slags Bea or Kris.

And the only thing I hate is the way Siavash fans call it irrational hatred when we have a go at him. It's like they have this kneejerk reaction to anyone who dares to criticize him. And Vicky I've seen some of your posts regarding Siavash and you do like him alot more than your average housemate[/rquote]

Siavash is my joint 5th fave housemate. Freddie, Marcus, Angel, Noirin, Siavash/Rodrigo.

Its not just having a go at him thought when it is in every post, and im not talking about you here by the way. MT more than anyone else. Every little thing he did STILL being scrutinised. The others bad deeds been long forgotten but Siavashs brought up again and again and again. Same with marcus.

Just seems very strange to me how he causes such reactions in people that they feel the need to go on and on about him even after BB has finished. To the extent that they do.[/rquote]

Vicky have you ever considered how bad Siavash is and how people find his support irrational and delusional?

He did lie cheat and betray people throughout - so that will get people to dislike him but to add to the fact people think he is special, considering his flaws were transparent to all who viewed it... it seems like an easy argument to say that a supporter is wrong to say he is honest kind and genuine.

Isn't that at all obvious?

He wasn't and isn't a nice person. THat's the beginning and end of your why and why you ponder it.

[J-Rock]

[rquote=2554999&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554985&tid=147173&author=J-Rock][rquote=2554973&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554970&tid=147173&author=J-Rock][rquote=2554961&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2554940&tid=147173&author=J-Rock]

The jury is in. The Truck is indeed a troll. [/rquote]

OK I get it. When you can't cope with somebody who disagrees with you and explains why you will do a poo and throw it, oops sorry, that's the chimps section at the zoo, I mean, start to hurl insults.[/rquote]

Nah, I've just worked you all out. [/rquote]

If that's the sum of your views after seeing two differing opinions, maybe you should join a political party where they chastise you to the back seats if you don't agree with their oppressive motives.[/rquote]

Haha. Trying the 'articulate' post now (even if non-sensical), after the 'poo-poo' one? I've got your number...and it's after many other threads, not 'two differing opinions'.

But, I'm not a mod, so I have no power other than to voice my view. From the political party of one.[/rquote]

No.

I've got your number.

You are agitated and frustrated when somebody doesn't like your favourite. In your view, you have made a grand choice, the best choice a brilliant choice

BUT

When somebody criticises your fave, has the nerve (in your view after you spent hour of mental anguish and frustration fighting for him, viewing him, devoting time to him) to say they are the worst

It hurts. It hurts real bad.

Maybe, try and accept simply that people have different opinions but I don't think that is possible when your view of the housemate is based on the fact that they are your living representation of how you want the world to be.

I've read around fanaticism you see and the psychology of it. How somebody requires living representations in mass media to express their moral view. It's a truly subconcious dilemma.

No... you just don't like the fact I don't like who you like.

Otherwise... here is a dilemma for you? Are fans of housemates, obsessive fans of housemates - trolls? [/rquote]

Good try.

I had faves on BB, but didn't need the Truckers to tell me there are 'good and bad' in HMs. All got their faults. It's the STYLE of your posts that led me to my conclusions. And the one above seals it.

Anyway, off to the gym. Enjoy!

[Vicky.]

[rquote=2555014&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck]

Vicky have you ever considered how bad Siavash is and how people find his support irrational and delusional?

He did lie cheat and betray people throughout - so that will get people to dislike him but to add to the fact people think he is special, considering his flaws were transparent to all who viewed it... it seems like an easy argument to say that a supporter is wrong to say he is honest kind and genuine.

Isn't that at all obvious?

He wasn't and isn't a nice person. THat's the beginning and end of your why and why you ponder it.[/rquote]

Yes, I can understand why some people wouldnt like him, I have never ever claimed he was perfect or anything, i have always aknowledged his faults...however I dont see how every other HMs bad points are swept under the carpet, come the end of BB, whilst siavash is still being made out to be practically evil. Along with marcus. There seem to be a few FMs who practically stalk thread about either of these HMs, making sure they post the same bile on every one. The reaction to the fake siavash account was disgusting to be honest, if it had been real. Pure hatred filled messages, if it really was siavash, how do you think it would have made him feel? Seeing stuff like that? People seem to forget that the HMs are indeed human and will make mistakes...and that it is an entertainment program, and any one of the HMs can be made out to be better/worse than they acutally are, at the editors discretion.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2555024&tid=147173&author=J-Rock]

Good try.

I had faves on BB, but didn't need the Truckers to tell me there are 'good and bad' in HMs. All got their faults. It's the STYLE of your posts that led me to my conclusions. And the one above seals it.

Anyway, off to the gym. Enjoy! [/rquote]

Yeah but you've been frustrated and on Marcus' back ever since I came here.

It's the fact you hurt that I don't like people you devote and worship.

It's a bit like coming across a bunch of Boyzone or Girls Aloud fans.

[MassiveTruck]

[rquote=2555033&tid=147173&author=VickyJ][rquote=2555014&tid=147173&author=MassiveTruck]

Vicky have you ever considered how bad Siavash is and how people find his support irrational and delusional?

He did lie cheat and betray people throughout - so that will get people to dislike him but to add to the fact people think he is special, considering his flaws were transparent to all who viewed it... it seems like an easy argument to say that a supporter is wrong to say he is honest kind and genuine.

Isn't that at all obvious?

He wasn't and isn't a nice person. THat's the beginning and end of your why and why you ponder it.[/rquote]

Yes, I can understand why some people wouldnt like him, I have never ever claimed he was perfect or anything, i have always aknowledged his faults...however I dont see how every other HMs bad points are swept under the carpet, come the end of BB, whilst siavash is still being made out to be practically evil. Along with marcus. There seem to be a few FMs who practically stalk thread about either of these HMs, making sure they post the same bile on every one. The reaction to the fake siavash account was disgusting to be honest, if it had been real. Pure hatred filled messages, if it really was siavash, how do you think it would have made him feel? Seeing stuff like that? People seem to forget that the HMs are indeed human and will make mistakes...and that it is an entertainment program, and any one of the HMs can be made out to be better/worse than they acutally are, at the editors discretion.[/rquote]

It's difficult to comment on other housemates faults when Siavash shows no remorse, he is worshipped by people, continues to behave badly - while other housemates do show remorse, are civilised and balanced and come across humane.

He makes himself a very bad talking point.