[InOne]

Originally Posted by rick-roll

Some people keep saying it's being built on ground zero. It's not. It's being built NEAR ground zero, 2 or 3 blocks away. It won't even be visible from ground zero. It's a privately owned property and they have the rights to build so any action to stop construction will basically just be like pissing on the constitution.

Why is it so inappropriate anyway? The attack on 9/11 was by extremists. What did they have in common? They were male, they were muslim and most were Saudi. Maybe if a bunch of male Saudi extremist muslims decided to build ON ground zero, it would be cause for concern but it's a muslim community center (with a mosque inside) being built by American muslims who have nothing to do with the attacks.


Anyone whining over this is a bigot and a moron.

It is a massive mosque and it 2 or 3 blocks away still isn't far away is it? The point is it's not needed there, in such a sensitive area. Although the people who did it were extremists, they were still Muslims. It doesn't matter if the people had nothing to do with the attacks, it's about principle. No matter what happens it would still be a horrible reminder of what happened in their faces everyday. Because let's face it, the building is not going to be subtle.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by InOne

It is a massive mosque and it 2 or 3 blocks away still isn't far away is it? The point is it's not needed there, in such a sensitive area. Although the people who did it were extremists, they were still Muslims. It doesn't matter if the people had nothing to do with the attacks, it's about principle. No matter what happens it would still be a horrible reminder of what happened in their faces everyday. Because let's face it, the building is not going to be subtle.

who are you to say "it's not needed there". Muslims in NY are rate payers too and can expect to freely pray where ever they are....as all do. This thread is worthless. As though Muslims are responsible for 9/11 or that a mosque is somehow "insensitive" to those who lost their lives....ridiculous. This is you trying ever so desperately to link the wider Muslim population directly to fundamentalist. You'd like to lump them all together for your own nasty reasons. Fail mate. Keep posting "Muslim ths" and "Muslim that"....lol on TIBB

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

who are you to say "it's not needed there". Muslims in NY are rate payers too and can expect to freely pray where ever they are....as all do. This thread is worthless. As though Muslims are responsible for 9/11 or that a mosque is somehow "insensitive" to those who lost their lives....ridiculous. This is you trying ever so desperately to link the wider Muslim population directly to fundamentalist. You'd like to lump them all together for your own nasty reasons. Fail mate. Keep posting "Muslim ths" and "Muslim that"....lol on TIBB

I didn't say 'Muslims' were resonsible. But unfortunately the people who did it called themselves Muslims. So there will always be those connotations with the Mosque so close. We can't all be as PC as you, mate.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by InOne

I didn't say 'Muslims' were resonsible. But unfortunately the people who did it called themselves Muslims. So there will always be those connotations with the Mosque so close. We can't all be as PC as you, mate.

"I didn't say 'Muslims' were resonsible"
yes you did. It's EXACTLY what you said.
You want to blame moderate Muslims for what some crazy fundamentalist do. Muslims aren't responsible for 9/11 just as the world wide catholic population weren't responsible for the IRA bombing. SO your often repeated line "But unfortunately the people who did it called themselves Muslims" ... is worthless and clearly you don't find it "unfortunate" at all. Opposite is more to the point wouldn't you say?

lol at the useless stock standard reply "booo wooo PC GONE MAD!!"... lol.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

"I didn't say 'Muslims' were resonsible"
yes you did. It's EXACTLY what you said.
You want to blame moderate Muslims for what some crazy fundamentalist do. Muslims aren't responsible for 9/11 just as the world wide catholic population weren't responsible for the IRA bombing. SO your often repeated line "But unfortunately the people who did it called themselves Muslims" ... is worthless and clearly you don't find it "unfortunate" at all. Opposite is more to the point wouldn't you say?

lol at the useless stock standard reply "booo wooo PC GONE MAD!!"... lol.

I said the people were Muslims or thought they were. The fact is the people who did it genuinely believed what they were doing was right, they were brainwashed, or whatever you'd like to call, so in their mind they were muslims. Not that moderate muslims were resonsible. You assume and puts words into people mouths basically, you're not even arguing against anything...

[ange7]

Originally Posted by InOne

I said the people were Muslims or thought they were. The fact is the people who did it genuinely believed what they were doing was right, they were brainwashed, or whatever you'd like to call, so in their mind they were muslims. Not that moderate muslims were resonsible. You assume and puts words into people mouths basically, you're not even arguing against anything...

open your eyes please.
I'm clearly arguing that moderate Muslims in NY shouldn't be denied the freedom to have the same access to places of worship the all do. Your arguing that putting a Mosque near ground zero is "insensitive". Do I need to spell out both mine and YOUR arguments for you?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

open your eyes please.
I'm clearly arguing that moderate Muslims in NY shouldn't be denied the freedom to have the same access to places of worship the all do. Your arguing that putting a Mosque near ground zero is "insensitive". Do I need to spell out both mine and YOUR arguments for you?

Well I have made my points but you keep deflecting. As I said, even though they were extremist Muslims, putting a mosque so close will still get people annoyed and upset. And New York is massive, why do they need it there? Obviously they can have it wherever they want, but why would they want to have it somewhere where it will upset people and probably cause trouble for themselves, it doesn't make much sense to me.

[ange7]

"Well I have made my points but you keep deflecting"
rubbish ... deflecting what? zzzzzz .... I do believe I'm hitting for 6 here. hehe
"putting a mosque so close will still get people annoyed and upset"
no it doesn't ... the majority understand that a Mosque is a place of worship ... who are you to talk for them?
"but why would they want to have it somewhere where it will upset people"
They don't. They live there and as rate payers would like a place to pray locally. You seem to think Muslims choose this spot to rub people's nose in it....as though these Muslims and the fundamentalist bombers are all the one thing. Again...that's you mate.

[ange7]

bring some new points please ... those one's aren't working for ya.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

"Well I have made my points but you keep deflecting"
rubbish ... deflecting what? zzzzzz .... I do believe I'm hitting for 6 here. hehe
"putting a mosque so close will still get people annoyed and upset"
no it doesn't ... the majority understand that a Mosque is a place of worship ... who are you to talk for them?
"but why would they want to have it somewhere where it will upset people"
They don't. They live there and as rate payers would like a place to pray locally. You seem to think Muslims choose this spot to rub people's nose in it....as though these Muslims and the fundamentalist bombers are all the one thing. Again...that's you mate.

Who are you to talk for them either? You seem to think you're voice of the people or something lol

And how do you know what I think? You seem to have an agenda with me that you're clearly never gonna let go.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by InOne

Who are you to talk for them either? You seem to think you're voice of the people or something lol

And how do you know what I think? You seem to have an agenda with me that you're clearly never gonna let go.

nothing post with ZERO new point ....zzzzzzzz
what "point" of yours am I "defecting".

"Who are you to talk for them either?"
Easy question.
I'm saying New Yorkers are OK with it because THEIR elected officials have given it the tumbs up. Heard of democracy? No?
That's a pretty strong point. They choose to OK it.
YOU think you can speak for New Yorkers because .... ******* knows why.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

nothing post with ZERO new point ....zzzzzzzz
what "point" of yours am I "defecting".

"Who are you to talk for them either?"
Easy question.
I'm saying New Yorkers are OK with it because THEIR elected officials have given it the tumbs up. Heard of democracy? No?
That's a pretty strong point. They choose to OK it.
YOU think you can speak for New Yorkers because .... ******* knows why.

Why is there protests if people are ok with it?

[ange7]

Originally Posted by InOne

Why is there protests if people are ok with it?

ok ... so look up democracy mate. "protesters" aren't the majority. It isn't mob rule, that could be a shock to you. I didn't say ALL new yorkers liked the Mosque. We know the majority do given their elected representatives gave it the green light. That's a fact. That's why I can safely talk about what the majority of new yorkers want and you are left swinging in the wind. Your idea that the majority find the Mosque insensitive came from thin air. Only those that directly link all mosques with the word "fundamentalists" are thinking like that and are in the minority.

[ange7]

"You seem to have an agenda with me that you're clearly never gonna let go. "
... just saw this ..... who are you mate? You all kind of blur into one. lol ... this sounds like "deflecting". My argument is on the table ... argue yours and don't try to make this about anything else please. Especially "it's all about me!!"

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

ok ... so look up democracy mate. "protesters" aren't the majority. It isn't mob rule, that could be a shock to you. I didn't say ALL new yorkers liked the Mosque. We know the majority do given their elected representatives gave it the green light. That's a fact. That's why I can safely talk about what the majority of new yorkers want and you are left swinging in the wind. Your idea that the majority find the Mosque insensitive came from thin air. Only those that directly link all mosques with the word "fundamentalists" are thinking like that and are in the minority.

Do you have polls or anything that back this up?

[ange7]

Originally Posted by InOne

Do you have polls or anything that back this up?

could ask you the same but won't hehe.
I know that they (some elected reps) ok'ed it. You'll never prove that you speak for the majority of New Yorkers if you ignore the choices their elected reps make.
I'll google it...
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-n...804-11a8p.html
"Applause erupted when the commission recorded its 9-0 vote"
"Supporters say the project would build a bridge between the West and the Muslim world"

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said religious liberty, a key US value, was at stake.

"This is the freest city in the world. That's what makes New York special and different and strong. Our doors are open to everyone -- everyone with a dream and a willingness to work hard and play by the rules," Bloomberg said.

[ange7]

sorry mate ...your in the minority and the majority of New Yorkers for whom you think you speak, disagree with your intolerant views.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

could ask you the same but won't hehe.
I know that they (some elected reps) ok'ed it. You'll never prove that you speak for the majority of New Yorkers if you ignore the choices their elected reps make.
I'll google it...
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-n...804-11a8p.html
"Applause erupted when the commission recorded its 9-0 vote"
"Supporters say the project would build a bridge between the West and the Muslim world"

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said religious liberty, a key US value, was at stake.

"This is the freest city in the world. That's what makes New York special and different and strong. Our doors are open to everyone -- everyone with a dream and a willingness to work hard and play by the rules," Bloomberg said.

Yes, those 9 of the mayors stooges.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

sorry mate ...your in the minority and the majority of New Yorkers for whom you think you speak, disagree with your intolerant views.

Nothing intolerant about my views (=

[ange7]

lol at your post getting smaller and smaller :P
bring an argument next time please. You have a great day.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

lol at your post getting smaller and smaller :P
bring an argument next time please. You have a great day.

I have won this argument. 9 people don't speak for New York, or America.

Have a nice day too (=

[ange7]

Originally Posted by InOne

I have won this argument. 9 people don't speak for New York, or America.

Have a nice day too (=

"I have won this argument"
mahahahah!!!! your desperation is music to my ears.

9 elected reps plus the mayor do speak for New York ... again "democracy" look it up.

Horrible backward views are not in the majority since most don't make the link between "fundamentalist bombers" and "Muslims". Most get the fact that these fundamentalist had an agenda and wanted to hide it behind the veil of respectability by calling there terrible deeds "holy". They weren't the first and won't be the last. They want to incite hate against all Muslims to enlarge their ranks. Some don't get this but MOST do. We know this because the Mosque is going to be built and the majority don't want to deny honest and decent Muslims the right to pray in a mosque. Denying them that right would be like saying "no..you were to blame!!!" and that's exactly what they are NOT saying by letting the plans go ahead.

[InOne]

Double post, silly forum

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

"I have won this argument"
mahahahah!!!! your desperation is music to my ears.

9 elected reps plus the mayor do speak for New York ... again "democracy" look it up.

Horrible backward views are not in the majority since most don't make the link between "fundamentalist bombers" and "Muslims". Most get the fact that these fundamentalist had an agenda and wanted to hide it behind the veil of respectability by calling there terrible deeds "holy". They weren't the first and won't be the last. They want to incite hate against all Muslims to enlarge their ranks. Some don't get this but MOST do. We know this because the Mosque is going to be built and the majority don't want to deny honest and decent Muslims the right to pray in a mosque. Denying them that right would be like saying "no..you were to blame!!!" and that's exactly what they are NOT saying by letting the plans go ahead.

Nobody wants to incite hate against all muslims lol Obviously muslims feel bad for those people who by no fault of their associated with religion. But building a mosque there isn't really going to help prejudice views is it? Yes, they can build it wherever they want, they can pray wherever they want, just seems an odd move that is all. Almost like doing themselves no favours, and the fact it's knocking down a 150 year old building doesn't help either. They don't need a mosque there they want one there. Don't get why there needs to be so much hassle for the sake of "Cos we can". Maybe idiots like the terrorist will decide to bomb that too? Then more lives lost. Just doesn't seem the best thought out idea.

[ange7]

"But building a mosque there isn't really going to help prejudice views is it?" ... and nor will it hurt. The majority agree with that. People don't make city planning decisions based on a vocal minority's "prejudice views"
"They don't need a mosque there they want one there"
Wrong ... there is an existing Muslim community there and they have the right as Americans and tax payers to have a place to worship. Your phrase "they don't need it, they want it" was pulled from your @rse ... how could you prove that. It was degned to protray Muslims in a hateful light as though they are TRYING to rub people's face in 9/11. Again luckily this negative and hateful view is in the minority.
"Maybe idiots like the terrorist will decide to bomb that too?"
I wouldn't put that pass them. The majority of deaths in Iraq are from terrorist attacking Muslims. This isn't a reason to stop honest Muslimsin NY from being allowed a place to pray. Denying them that would be like blaming them for 9/11.