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BB_Eye · 28-09-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Well the majority of MP's supported the Iraq War, David at least voted for an investigation into the war, unlike Ed who was strongly against it according to his voting record . He also supported Labours terrorism laws as well.

Of course David voted for an investigation into the war. This was Labour MPs' opportunity to distance themselves from the old Blairite faction of Geoff Hoon, Harriet Harman and others following their pathetic attempted coup. This was the very reason Brown's cabinet set the inquiry up. To hold on to what little power he had left.

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Ed will not be a credible oppostion leader imo, he'll lurch the party to the left, which will probably lead to most centrist voters (which I'd imagine most of the country are) losing faith in the party, and he doesnt seem to want to acknowledge the necessity of spending cuts and a strong private sector unlike his brother.

The Labour party haven't been remotely centrist since they were elected in the 1990's. They have actually been a very right-wing party for the better part of 15 years. Carrying the baton as it were, for the Conservative party. This was the only option Labour were faced with in order to get the national press of their case and make themselves 'electable'.

It has to stop. What is the point in having an opposition party if they follow the exact same ideology as the ones in power? As NuLabour demonstrated, and the Tories before them, there is no such thing as a self-regulating market, so it is stupid to have three political parties all that need to pretend there is. One need only turn their attention to the failure of Britain's market economy in how hard it has been hit by the recession and the way the private sector has infiltrated public services such as the NHS to their detriment, with useless costly schemes such as the Private Finance Initiatives, which have multiplied the billions spent on the NHS in interest charges alone. In addition to that, note the faulure of the public transport under the control of the private sector. An appallingly poor service for an extortionate price with companies that eventually had to be bailed out by the government, further adding to the cost and inefficiency. This was while Network Rail caused a scandal handing out six figure bonuses to their executives.

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Originally Posted by MTVN

David would have been a more mature and respectable opposition leader/possible Prime Minister if you ask me.

He would have had no redeeming qualities as a leader and would certainly have given me no reason whatsoever to vote for Labour again. He had a hand in the expenses scandal, which means he is apart of the problem. We would only have gotten more of the same. Is that really what you want?

Angus · 28-09-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Omen

It's funny you should use the exact same phrase union stooge as if prompted by Sky. Sky's message is designed to inform soft-minded sheeple.

Hmm, yes I guess people such as yourself get your info from the biased tv channels, but I like to rely on my own intellect and ability to sort fact from fiction, and surprisingly enough "union stooge"(one who allows himself to be used for another's profit or advantage), is the first phrase that sprung to my mind when I heard Ed Miliband had been elected. Probably a slightly politer version of "union bitch". I have followed this idiot's involvement with the unelected Brown's policies for some time and have drawn my own conclusions. If Sky have called him a "union stooge" I can only applaud how astute their commentator is! Seems great minds think alike. I think anyone who still supports Labour these days are the sheep, because they do so in the face of overwhelming evidence of the contempt in which the working class are held by the Labour Party, who had 13 years in power during which their failure was abysmal. Fortunately, they can no longer do any further damage, which must be frustrating for the union dinosaurs who have no teeth until and if their STOOGE ever gets the opportunity to wield any power, which is likely to be NEVER.

Angus · 28-09-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Of course David voted for an investigation into the war. This was Labour MPs' opportunity to distance themselves from the old Blairite faction of Geoff Hoon, Harriet Harman and others following their pathetic attempted coup. This was the very reason Brown's cabinet set the inquiry up. To hold on to what little power he had left.

The Labour party haven't been remotely centrist since they were elected in the 1990's. They have actually been a very right-wing party for the better part of 15 years. Carrying the baton as it were, for the Conservative party. This was the only option Labour were faced with in order to get the national press of their case and make themselves 'electable'.

It has to stop. What is the point in having an opposition party if they follow the exact same ideology as the ones in power? As NuLabour demonstrated, and the Tories before them, there is no such thing as a self-regulating market, so it is stupid to have three political parties all that need to pretend there is. One need only turn their attention to the failure of Britain's market economy in how hard it has been hit by the recession and the way the private sector has infiltrated public services such as the NHS to their detriment, with useless costly schemes such as the Private Finance Initiatives, which have multiplied the billions spent on the NHS in interest charges alone. In addition to that, note the faulure of the public transport under the control of the private sector. An appallingly poor service for an extortionate price with companies that eventually had to be bailed out by the government, further adding to the cost and inefficiency. This was while Network Rail caused a scandal handing out six figure bonuses to their executives.

He would have had no redeeming qualities as a leader and would certainly have given me no reason whatsoever to vote for Labour again. He had a hand in the expenses scandal, which means he is apart of the problem. We would only have gotten more of the same. Is that really what you want?

It goes to show what a dire state the Labour Party are in if the Miliband Brothers were the best of a thoroughly bad lot!

Omen · 28-09-2010, 05:29 PM

As BB Eye said, 13 years of New Labour was more or less the same as the Conservatives. One can only hope that Ed does have some real left-wing credentials and that maybe the UK will give socialism a try, for once. Wouldn't hold my breath though.

arista · 28-09-2010, 08:10 PM

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol..._Leader_Speech

Brother David Milliband
has returned to London. Expected to leave the party soon.
He had a spat with Harriet Harmen
telling her she voted for the Iraq War,
why was she clapping her brother etc.

arista · 28-09-2010, 08:11 PM

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol..._Leader_Speech

Brother David Milliband
has returned to London. Expected to leave the party soon.
He had a spat with Harriet Harmen
telling her she voted for the Iraq War,
why was she clapping her brother etc.

BB_Eye · 28-09-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol..._Leader_Speech

Brother David Milliband
has returned to London. Expected to leave the party soon.
He had a spat with Harriet Harmen
telling her she voted for the Iraq War,
why was she clapping her brother etc.

Lol, that was hilarious to watch. I also loved the look on Alistair Darling's face when Ed "praised" him for seeing us through the recession as chancellor.

arista · 28-09-2010, 09:58 PM

'You voted for it, why are you clapping?' David Miliband's dig at Harriet Harman as brother Ed criticises invasion of Iraq

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz10rd4f9ht

arista · 29-09-2010, 09:18 AM

arista · 29-09-2010, 10:15 AM

Angus · 29-09-2010, 10:52 AM

I wouldn't trust Ed Miliband as far as I could throw him - he has shown us that he has no loyalty and no ethics - no doubt all the reasons why he was chosen by the morally bankrupt Labour Party as their new leader. They never learn do they?

BB_Eye · 29-09-2010, 12:45 PM

The party members should have been allowed to nominate the five candidates. John McDonnell was my personal choice (not that I had any intention of joining the party with David the favourite). Instead the decisions were all but left up to Labour MP's and boy has it backfired for them.

arista · 29-09-2010, 04:05 PM

David Milliband has confirmed
he is not in the shadow cabinet,
he will be a shadow back bencher

SkyNewsHD

arista · 29-09-2010, 04:19 PM

The artist Steve Bell on Ch4News last night
Explained this Art.

David is powered by his Banana
and Ed has this Constant Stare like a Panda
hence Death -Ray Panda vision.

Steve Bell has this Bang On Right
he does have this Freakish Stare all the bloody time.

Angus · 29-09-2010, 04:21 PM

Well I hope his brother Ed thinks it was all worthwhile, alienating his own brother and betraying him in such a fashion, especially since he did not win the election fair and square but had to rely on the Union vote to do it. And not because his policies are so bloody wonderful, but because the Unions see Ed as the most malleable and easy to manipulate of the two.

arista · 29-09-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

Well I hope his brother Ed thinks it was all worthwhile, alienating his own brother and betraying him in such a fashion, especially since he did not win the election fair and square but had to rely on the Union vote to do it. And not because his policies are so bloody wonderful, but because the Unions see Ed as the most malleable and easy to manipulate of the two.

Ed is the Temp labour leader,
David returns in 5 years after Ed loses.

Angus · 29-09-2010, 04:45 PM

No matter what anyone thinks of the Coalition, or the Tories or Lib-Dems as individual parties, they are hopefully never going to vote in the Labour Party again, because a vote for Labour is always going to be a vote for the bloody Unions, who hold the purse strings and are the puppet masters. Anyone who thinks the Unions don't hold the balance of power in the Labour Party have now been proved wrong.

arista · 29-09-2010, 04:51 PM

Yes and its great than many LibDems (on radio 5 Live last week)
are going to Keep Labour out, by doing pacts with conservatives of each area.
after this 5 years has gone.

Omen · 29-09-2010, 05:08 PM

To blame the unions for the Uk's economic woes is stupid, and to blame for what they haven't yet done, strike is premature. I see nothing wrong with having a mandate from to unions to lead the Labour Party, yet.

If you need to apportion blame to anyone it should be the banks. They're the ones who sold junk derivatives and bonds.They're the ones who turn on the money tap and create asset bubbles, and turn it off again when it blows up. And they're the ones responsible when it all inevitably blows up as it does.

It the public service is bloated and indebted it is so because it a reflection of the overall ecnomy. In the blame game the unions are the junior party to the banks in this.

BB_Eye · 29-09-2010, 05:12 PM

Actually, I agree Ed won the leadership contest unfairly. The unions broke the rules on members voting by enclosing promotional leaflets bigging Ed up with the ballot papers. For better or worse, this is a trade union coup for the Labour party.

NettoSuperstar! · 30-09-2010, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Double Dorks.
Oxford Toffs
New Dead Labour.

Miss NettoAsdaWalmart
come out of your bunker.
A Toff is here for you.

Pull up to ma bunker babay...I quite like ED to be honest, his heart is in the right place, but David has wider appeal...I quite fancy him actually

NettoSuperstar! · 30-09-2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Omen

To blame the unions for the Uk's economic woes is stupid, and to blame for what they haven't yet done, strike is premature. I see nothing wrong with having a mandate from to unions to lead the Labour Party, yet.

If you need to apportion blame to anyone it should be the banks. They're the ones who sold junk derivatives and bonds.They're the ones who turn on the money tap and create asset bubbles, and turn it off again when it blows up. And they're the ones responsible when it all inevitably blows up as it does.

It the public service is bloated and indebted it is so because it a reflection of the overall ecnomy. In the blame game the unions are the junior party to the banks in this.

Amen Omen

NettoSuperstar! · 30-09-2010, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes and its great than many LibDems (on radio 5 Live last week)
are going to Keep Labour out, by doing pacts with conservatives of each area.
after this 5 years has gone.

Shame noone will ever vote Lib Dem again intit