[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

If serial killers think they have the right to take other people's lives they shouldn't be given a chance to kill themselves. They should be shot in the head.

Good point.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Im sorry but how can you say that

Say what? You are just making all of this up on my behalf. Where did I say it was easy? Or that it was a dead cert that you could just get better? I never said any of those things.

All I said was that the odds of the saved life turning out to be a blessing in disguise and second chance at happyness scenario were much better, much more logical and much more realistic than the odds of the saved life turning out to be a murderous, cancer to society psychopath scenario.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

The odds of that is very slim. Plus, IMO your points are heavily flawed and lack substance.

Well in my opinion your points don't allow another human beings choice because you don't understand how they feel. You act as if suicide is an easy decision. People who commit suicide want to be happy and live just as much as the average joe its just they cant. 'Getting Better' from depressions IS NOT EASY they have to make huge life changes and it is hard. Its not like you got to a counsellor for an hour a week and magically you're better. You have to mentally change yourself and make an effort to control thoughts for every second of the day. Not many people could cope with that. Suicide may be easier than fixing yourself but it is not easy compared to the life a 'normal' person lives.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

People get help in the form of Doctors, socail groups, etc.

You are saying DEATH is the easy option!!! My goodness!!!

I have survived open heart surgery after being fatally stabbed. I know what I am talking about. Once you survive the situation you get to take life more worthwhile. I am shocked as you would say to someone who is depressed that death is the easy option.

I agree. It's not easy to simply say they can "just get better". There's a lot of work and heartache involved but there are ways to a better life when suffering depression. Death is the ultimate last, last resort that shouldn't really be considered.

[CharlieO]

Im not saying people should kill themselves if they feel depression I'm saying if someone cant cope how is it anyone else's place to judge it as 'wrong' or 'selfish'.

And I've survived clinical depression and got better, because being stabbed in the leg by my own father and having my arm broken by him. I went literally mad and I survived.

All I'm saying is that its not fair to judge someones decision because the feeling of depression is horrible and I've never felt anything worse and my condition wasn't that bad compared to some. Your whole life is destroyed because its not something you can control. Everything you see can turn bleak and worthless I cried every time I talked for 4 months because of it, I went mute at school because if I spoke I would cry. You get feeling of emptiness and its literally like the breaths you take mean nothing like your emotions aren't even there anymore and you are losing you soul. (yes its not being stabbed in the heart but its a different kind of pain which is arguably worse)

Yes I got help and tried to get through it but not on my own accord because I was threatened into it by my mother. But I tired to kill myself twice and had my stomach pumped twice. I do not wish I died now but I would have not minded if I did. If i had to take more than the year I took of the depression I don't think I would have coped. Its not easy to survive depression and its not something you can imagine feeling.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Im not saying people should kill themselves if they feel depression I'm saying if someone cant cope how is it anyone else's place to judge it as 'wrong' or 'selfish'.

And I've survived clinical depression and got better, because being stabbed in the leg by my own father and having my arm broken by him. I went literally mad and I survived.

All I'm saying is that its not fair to judge someones decision because the feeling of depression is horrible and I've never felt anything worse and my condition wasn't that bad compared to some. Your whole life is destroyed because its not something you can control. Everything you see can turn bleak and worthless I cried every time I talked for 4 months because of it, I went mute at school because if I spoke I would cry. You get feeling of emptiness and its literally like the breaths you take mean nothing like your emotions aren't even there anymore and you are losing you soul. (yes its not being stabbed in the heart but its a different kind of pain which is arguably worse)

Yes I got help and tried to get through it but not on my own accord because I was threatened into it by my mother. But I tired to kill myself twice and had my stomach pumped twice. I do not wish I died now but I would have not minded if I did. If i had to take more than the year I took of the depression I don't think I would have coped. Its not easy to survive depression and its not something you can imagine feeling.

You have just proved my POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You said you would leave someone to DIE!!! Correct.
Well, you just said yourself you regretted killing yourself. But you would leave the other individual to die.

Like I said you would help someone get help. Not leave them to die.

Plus YOU DID say that death is an easy option and do not deny it.

It is outragous for you to effectively say that someone who is depressed (even though you got medical help) to go and commit suicide

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

Why are Y'all saying yes. So are you saying if someone you loved took an overdose you would leave them to die.

Do not think so.

You know nothing.

My mum lived in constant pain since I was about four years old, there was no chance of her ever getting better, she had to take a bunch of tablets every day, four times a day, she lived like this for around 10 years, I don't blame her for what she did, not only was she not happy, it wasnt fair on my family either, due to her being so ill, I underachived when I was at school, since I never turned up, I was scared of leaving her home alone, due to this I got overweight. It was hard losing her, it still is, but I know she tried her best, but what she was living was hardly what I'd call a forfilled life.

So yeah, you know nothing.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

Suicide is SELFISH and WRONG!!!

No one should be allowed to. By saying yes you are effectively saying Serial Killers should "have the right" to kill themselves.

They do, and if they would, they'd really be helping us out!

[Shaun]

now I look like I think people should commit suicide

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Chewy

You know nothing.

My mum lived in constant pain since I was about four years old, there was no chance of her ever getting better, she had to take a bunch of tablets every day, four times a day, she lived like this for around 10 years, I don't blame her for what she did, not only was she not happy, it wasnt fair on my family either, due to her being so ill, I underachived when I was at school, since I never turned up, I was scared of leaving her home alone, due to this I got overweight. It was hard losing her, it still is, but I know she tried her best, but what she was living was hardly what I'd call a forfilled life.

So yeah, you know nothing.

You are the one who know's nothing my dear.

Would you rather your mum kill herself??? She kept going which is the right thing to do.

I have survived open heart surgery after a fatal stabbing. I believe life is blessed. Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH.

[Ninastar]

jesus christ.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

jesus christ.

Please elaborate.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

You are the one who know's nothing my dear.

Would you rather your mum kill herself??? She kept going which is the right thing to do.

I have survived open heart surgery after a fatal stabbing. I believe life is blessed. Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH.

I'd rather she lived, but to be honest, they cycle I was stuck in would have lead to me living a half life, I'm not saying I wanted her to die, but it actually lead to me getting some normality in my life, I would in no way say she was selfish.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I'd rather she lived, but to be honest, they cycle I was stuck in would have lead to me living a half life, I'm not saying I wanted her to die, but it actually lead to me getting some normality in my life, I would in no way say she was selfish.

I do not understand. Did she commit suicide??

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

I do not understand. Did she commit suicide??

Yeah, she did.

[Stu]

If I can change ...

... and you can change ...



THEN MAYBE WE CAN ALL CHANGE!

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Yeah, she did.

Well, she should have gotten help. Did your father help her?

Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH. It tears family's apart. That is my opinion and I stick with it.

[joeysteele]

Many people who commit suicide don't really deep down want to die. Often it's some massive pressure in life that has pushed them over the edge completely and they cannot see any other way out.
The problem can be one or more of many reasons.

It's sad to think so many people feel they really have no one or nowhere to turn when they fall that deep into hopelessness.
They are not thinking straight,often it's a cry for help that goes wrong or its impulsive with no rational thought given to the consequences.

IF someone is intent on killing themselves then they will but I feel as a fellow Human being,if I knew someone had tried to before or was about to go about killing themselves I would want to try to talk them out of it,whether that was someone close to me or someone I had just met.

Life is precious, I would want to do all in my power to try to stop someone ending their life via suicide.

Those with cancer and the euthanasia argument are different,that's a whole new debate.
I just wish there were more people and more help for anyone feeling really suicidal to go to and get objective,'confidential' help and support to help them through whatever difficulties or trauma has brought them to feel that way.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

Well, she should have gotten help. Did your father help her?

Suicide is WRONG and SELFISH. It tears family's apart. That is my opinion and I stick with it.

No, he didn't, my mum planned it in secret, she left a note for us, also she made sure we were alright with it, without us realising, she asked us if we agree with suicide (she taught me and my brother a lot of morals, so we never questioned it). Also the weeks before, she made sure that she spent all the time she could with us, and it didn't tear our family apart, the damn illness she had was already doing that.

I don't really agree with people commiting suicide willy nilly, but there are times when it really is justified.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Many people who commit suicide don't really deep down want to die. Often it's some massive pressure in life that has pushed them over the edge completely and they cannot see any other way out.
The problem can be one or more of many reasons.

It's sad to think so many people feel they really have no one or nowhere to turn when they fall that deep into hopelessness.
They are not thinking straight,often it's a cry for help that goes wrong or its impulsive with no rational thought given to the consequences.

IF someone is intent on killing themselves then they will but I feel as a fellow Human being,if I knew someone had tried to before or was about to go about killing themselves I would want to try to talk them out of it,whether that was someone close to me or someone I had just met.

Life is precious, I would want to do all in my power to try to stop someone ending their life via suicide.

Those with cancer and the euthanasia argument are different,that's a whole new debate.
I just wish there were more people and more help for anyone feeling really suicidal to go to and get objective,'confidential' help and support to help them through whatever difficulties or trauma has brought them to feel that way.

I agree. Another sensible view.

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Chewy

No, he didn't, my mum planned it in secret, she left a note for us, also she made sure we were alright with it, without us realising, she asked us if we agree with suicide (she taught me and my brother a lot of morals, so we never questioned it). Also the weeks before, she made sure that she spent all the time she could with us, and it didn't tear our family apart, the damn illness she had was already doing that.

I don't really agree with people commiting suicide willy nilly, but there are times when it really is justified.

Well your comment is about Euthansia then. I was arguing about people who are not sick and kill themselve. They ARE SELFISH.

[Ninastar]

I think it depends on the circumstances

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Mr XcX

Well your comment is about Euthansia then. I was arguing about people who are not sick and kill themselve. They ARE SELFISH.

I suppose it is more euthanasia than anything, I have to be honest and say when people ask how she died, I usually say it was cancer, only because of the stigma attached to the word 'suicide'. I can't really disagree completely with 'normal' suicide as each individual case is different.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I think it depends on the circumstances

Indeed, I think some people should seek help but then some reach the point especially if it's an illness that is terminal that they can't cope anymore and become depressed, isolated etc that they want an assisted suicide before their inevitable death.

Felt sorry for a woman that decided to have an assisted death abroad and before she could go ahead had to fight the courts to promise that her husband doesn't get charged for helping her and that it is entirely her own decision to do it.

[Angus]

If I ever feel that MY life is no longer worth living for whatever reason, (which would be nobody's business but my own), the last thing on my mind would be the approval or permission of total strangers who have no right to judge me since they are not walking in my shoes. I would do what I have always done in my life, make my own decisions based on my own circumstances.

I see no point in suffering a long, lingering, painful existence (whether physical and/or emotional), to satisfy others' ideas on the sanctity of life. Quality of life is subjective to the individual, and it is not anyone else's right or responsibility to decide what constitutes a meaningful existence for me.