[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Even the Kercher family are 100% behind the Italian prosecutors in their efforts to overturn this travesty of justice. We all need to get our MP's to get the UK government to make representations to the US government so that Amanda Knox is extradited back to Italy to serve her sentence when this acquittal is over turned as it surely will be.

The entire appeal was a sham

We had a judge speaking out of turn, and the so called independent experts getting too chummy with the defence.

She wont get extradited. IIRC they said on Sky News that although there is a treaty in place for extradition from US to Italy, nobody could find any records of anyone who had been extradited.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Eoin

She wont get extradited. IIRC they said on Sky News that although there is a treaty in place for extradition from US to Italy, nobody could find any records of anyone who had been extradited.

There is always a first time

This is why we need to get our government to make representations to make sure she does not escape justice, and to get the US government to honour its commitment by agreeing to extradite Miss Knox.

That appeal was flawed right at the beginning when that judge spoke out of turn. Ergo the so called aquittal will rightly be overturned when they get to the next higher court.

If that happens, as according to the prosecutor it should, there will have to be an international arrest warrant on Amanda Knox to drag her back to finish her sentence, which hopefully will be bumped up to life!!

Justice for Meredtith

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Even the Kercher family are 100% behind the Italian prosecutors in their efforts to overturn this travesty of justice. We all need to get our MP's to get the UK government to make representations to the US government so that Amanda Knox is extradited back to Italy to serve her sentence when this acquittal is over turned as it surely will be.

The entire appeal was a sham

We had a judge speaking out of turn, and the so called independent experts getting too chummy with the defence.

It got overturned because the proof against her was pathetic, is getting a result more important then getting the right one?

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It got overturned because the proof against her was pathetic, is getting a result more important then getting the right one?

So the evidence was not collected like they show on CSI?

Is this not the CSI effect where juries who have watched that TV show have unrealistic expectations about forensic evidence?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Sticks

So the evidence was not collected like they show on CSI?

Is this not the CSI effect where juries who have watched that TV show have unrealistic expectations about forensic evidence?

The evidence wasn't strong enough for a conviction as it's obvious they just wanted a result. Convictions don't get turned for no reason at the end of the day. It's strange that you're determined to continue down this path with Knox but you haven't mentioned the more likely suspect who is still serving time, you know the one who was convicted of attacking women in the past? The one who's DNA was closely linked to the crime?

The law and the evidence is on Knox's side and a lot of experts that know more about the field then me and you ever will have said that the same result would have been achieved in other countries. In the law's eyes she's innocent yet you keep going on saying that she should be retrialed on nothing more but emotional sensationalism. What's the point of even having a verdict if people are going to be seen as guilty anyway?

[Jords]

Talking about this in school today, dont know much on the story :S

[lostalex]

The murder scene was COVERED in Rudy Guede's DNA.

Please tell me how Amanda and Rafeale were involved in the murder, but it was ONLY Rudy Guede's DNA that was all over the murder scene, and INSIDE the victims body, but they couldn't find any DNA from Amanda or Rafaele???

Please explain to me how Amanda could clean up just her own DNA and Rafaele's DNA but leave only Rudy's DNA....

OOHHHh that's right, you think she's a satanic witch with magical powers. *rolls eyes*

[Sticks]

She IS going to be retried

The prosecutors are appealing against this acquittal with the 100% backing of the Kercher family

Her actions after the murder were seen as deeply suspicious and lets not forget she has been convicted of slander. As the chief prosecutor says, why would she commit slander, if it were not a deliberate misdirection?

Smoke - Fire?

As for the man convicted, the courts system has ruled he DID NOT act alone. The lack of defensive wounds indicate there were three people at least in this murder, and the more severe sentence handed to Miss Knox at the original trial, indicated she was the lead assailant.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Sticks

She IS going to be retried

The prosecutors are appealing against this acquittal with the 100% backing of the Kercher family

Her actions after the murder were seen as deeply suspicious and lets not forget she has been convicted of slander. As the chief prosecutor says, why would she commit slander, if it were not a deliberate misdirection?

Smoke - Fire?

As for the man convicted, the courts system has ruled he DID NOT act alone. The lack of defensive wounds indicate there were three people at least in this murder, and the more severe sentence handed to Miss Knox at the original trial, indicated she was the lead assailant.

If anyone tries to remove Amanda from this country, I will personally protect her. She has suffered enuf of this crap, no more will be allowed.

I recommend you let it alone.

The Kerchers need to start GRIEVING properly and stop POINTING FINGERS. Their behavior is a disgrace to Meredith.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If anyone tries to remove Amanda from this country, I will personally protect her.

And thereby hangs the perception about the way extradition treaties between the US and other countries operate or as some believe don't

The US hardly ever hands anyone over in extradition requests, but when it is the other way around, even when the alleged offence or offenders were never in the US, the US demands and belligerently gets it way.

Just why is that - Maybe another thread can be set up, to avoid further thread hijacks.

If the prosecution authorities in Italy are still pursuing this, they must have a good reason?

Compare that with here in the UK where in the past there have been successful appeals, part of the reason they succeed has been that the CPS recognises an error has been made and offers no evidence.

If the US is ever going to be seen in a more favourable light over seas, it must be prepared to play fair and respond to extradition requests, just like it demands we hand over anyone it seeks.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Sticks

She IS going to be retried

The prosecutors are appealing against this acquittal with the 100% backing of the Kercher family

Her actions after the murder were seen as deeply suspicious and lets not forget she has been convicted of slander. As the chief prosecutor says, why would she commit slander, if it were not a deliberate misdirection?

Smoke - Fire?

As for the man convicted, the courts system has ruled he DID NOT act alone. The lack of defensive wounds indicate there were three people at least in this murder, and the more severe sentence handed to Miss Knox at the original trial, indicated she was the lead assailant.

At the end of the day there's no DNA evidence against Knox and the boyfriend while there is for the third man, you can't remove some DNA while leaving another person's and the nature of the crime would have left a lot of their DNA at the scene if they were involved. There's very little solid evidence to link her to the crime, just people determined to do so and thankfully that doesn't hold up in court. Evidence is what matters here and there's only evidence pointing to the third man. No point in damning a person because you THINK they might have done something wrong when you have no evidence to back it up.

She might be a liar but that doesn't instantly mean she's a killer.

[Z]

I just feel sorry for Amanda Knox. I think it's ridiculous that, regardless of whether she was involved in the murder or not, she's been turned into the scape goat and face of this whole trial - there are, after all, allegedly three of them involved in the murder, I couldn't even tell you what the two men look like because whenever I've seen headlines about the whole fiasco, it's solely been Amanda Knox's face on the covers. I believe she's innocent, and I think while the Kercher family have every right to want someone to blame, they're being pushed towards blaming Amanda Knox (or at least the media portrays it that way) with no apparent regard for the other two accused? I dunno, it just seems mad to me, that three people were jailed for her murder, yet only one of them has been receiving the fury of the media. Sexism?

[Sticks]

From the Sun Online

But it was a very different homecoming for the anguished family of Meredith, 21. Her loved ones are in despair following the acquittal of Knox and her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, 27, in the Italian city of Perugia.

They spoke for the first time yesterday of their backing for Italian prosecutors who plan to appeal against the decision.

And they refused to rule out a private prosecution in their quest for justice for Meredith who had her throat cut in the horrific killing four years ago.

Sister Stephanie, 28, speaking after arriving back at the family semi in Coulsdon, Surrey, said: "The prosecution will be appealing and we will be behind that, as well as maybe taking another route."

Meredith's frail-looking mother Arline, 65, said: "We are talking to our lawyers... " But then Stephanie interrupted: "We want to find out, if they are not guilty who is."

Arline was asked if she thought Knox was innocent and added: "I don't really know at the moment — I just had the verdict and no explanation. It has been a difficult few years let alone difficult few days."

Quizzed about whether they would launch a private legal battle, Stephanie added: "It's too early to say at the moment."

Drifter Rudy Guede, 24, from the Ivory Coast, is in jail for the murder of Meredith after his DNA was found all over her Perugia flat.

The Kercher family's concern about the success of the Knox and Sollecito appeal centres on evidence used to convict him which suggested he acted with two others.

Stephanie said: "If it was not those two, they did say that Rudy Guede was convicted on the basis there were two other people there. So if it genuinely isn't them, obviously we don't want to see the wrong people put away, but we need to get evidence of who it was or look at evidence more closely.

"So it's just trying to find the truth — we want to get some rest."

Furious Italian prosecutors, who say they will take their appeal all the way to Italy's Supreme Court, were more strident in their criticism of Knox yesterday.

Giuliano Mignini said: "Since the verdict of the court a killer is now free to walk the streets. The judges came into this appeal with their ideas already formed... it was already decided and it was wrong."

Mignini's colleague Manuela Comodi said: "I have a message for Knox: Have a nice trip. Justice has not been done, it was a victory of the rich over the poor, America over Italy, private over the public."

Judge Claudio Pratillo Hellmann added to the controversy last night, saying that despite the verdict Knox and Sollecito might well know who else was responsible — and it could even be them.

In his first public comments since the acquittal on Monday, he said the verdict "resulted from the truth that was created in the trial". But he went on: "The real truth could be different." Hellmann added: "They could also be responsible but the proof isn't there.

"So, maybe they know, too, but as far as we go, they didn't."

Experts say any attempt to extradite Knox back from the US to face further legal action, even if compelling new evidence is found, will be an uphill struggle.

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by Zee

I just feel sorry for Amanda Knox. I think it's ridiculous that, regardless of whether she was involved in the murder or not, she's been turned into the scape goat and face of this whole trial - there are, after all, allegedly three of them involved in the murder, I couldn't even tell you what the two men look like because whenever I've seen headlines about the whole fiasco, it's solely been Amanda Knox's face on the covers. I believe she's innocent, and I think while the Kercher family have every right to want someone to blame, they're being pushed towards blaming Amanda Knox (or at least the media portrays it that way) with no apparent regard for the other two accused? I dunno, it just seems mad to me, that three people were jailed for her murder, yet only one of them has been receiving the fury of the media. Sexism?

Shocked me when i really looked into the details of this and realized there was no criminal reason for the media to focus on Amanda more than the other 2. Sexism or just a better story for the Press. Women aren't suppose to be murderers are they that's what Men do Stereotypically. When the Press gets the chance to turn the tables they jump at the chance. I suppose that is Sexist actually.

[Omah]

Judge Claudio Pratillo Hellmann added to the controversy last night, saying that despite the verdict Knox and Sollecito might well know who else was responsible — and it could even be them.

In his first public comments since the acquittal on Monday, he said the verdict "resulted from the truth that was created in the trial". But he went on: "The real truth could be different." Hellmann added: "They could also be responsible but the proof isn't there.

"So, maybe they know, too, but as far as we go, they didn't.*"

"*Così, forse sanno, anche, ma per quanto ne andare, non hanno."

I guess that's the Italian equivalent of the Gallic shrug .....

[Sticks]

If the evidence against her is allegedly so weak and non-existent, then why are the prosecuting authorities still pursuing this?

They must know something if they are confident that this acquittal will be overturned.

If that happens, we expect the US to honour the extradition treaty it signed and return Miss Knox to serve her sentence.

[Tom4784]

Because they're trying to save face by pinning it on her since the whole ordeal has made the Italian law system look crap. If they can get her convicted then it makes it look as though they were right all along. Let's put it this way, if the evidence against her was compelling then how did she get the verdict overturned? If the prosecution had some decent evidence then why didn't they use it when they had the chance?

It's because the evidence wasn't there, there's no compelling evidence to link her to the crime otherwise she wouldn't be free now.

[Sticks]

This article in the People

Indicates there was more than the DNA evidence presented.

And she said Robyn, 27, can’t come to terms with the way Amanda Knox and boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito joked about the tragedy as they waited to be quizzed by cops in Perugia only a few hours after the murder.

Robyn told the jury at Knox and Sollecito’s murder trial: “When I arrived at the police station I found Amanda’s behaviour very strange.

“She had no emotion while everyone else was upset.

“I remember one thing that really upset me – a friend of Meredith said, ‘I hope she wasn’t in too much pain’.

“Amanda said, ‘What do you think? She *******ing bled to death.

“At that point no one had told us how Meredith had died.”

She added: “Everyone was crying – but Amanda wasn’t.

“She and Raffaele were kissing and joking together.

“They were cuddling and at one point she stuck her tongue out at him.”

Robyn also told the court how she felt uncomfortable about Knox after seeing a vibrator and condoms in her vanity-case at the flat she shared with Meredith and two Italian women.

Read again what the witness Robyn Butterworth says, “At that point no one had told us how Meredith had died.”

How did Amanda Knox know how Meredith died? How did she have that information when it had not been released?

Surely this is information that only the murderer of Meredith Kercher would have. Is it therefore suspicious that Amanda was in possession of this information?

Also why was Miss Butterworth not called at the Appeal? Something is not adding up there?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This article in the People

Indicates there was more than the DNA evidence presented.



Read again what the witness Robyn Butterworth says, “At that point no one had told us how Meredith had died.”

How did Amanda Knox know how Meredith died? How did she have that information when it had not been released?

Surely this is information that only the murderer of Meredith Kercher would have. Is it therefore suspicious that Amanda was in possession of this information?

Also why was Miss Butterworth not called at the Appeal? Something is not adding up there?

Misses Robyn Butterworth? This sounds like a made up name, and it certainly doesn't even sound like an Italian name. lol

You ask why wasn't she called to the appeal, well that's a good question, why didn't the prosecuters call "mrs. butterworth" to the appeal is she is such an important witness? Obviously because the prosecuters don't even believe she was a good witness.

As far as Amanda and Rafaele kissing and comforting each other, yes, how dare they comfort each other in such a horrible situation. Obviously that makes them murderers. gimme a break.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Misses Robyn Butterworth? This sounds like a made up name, and it certainly doesn't even sound like an Italian name. lol

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2864713.ece

November 13, 2007

Sophie Purton and Robyn* Butterworth**, two friends of Ms Kercher, have told police that all three had had an early supper of pizza, ice cream and coffee at Robyn's flat "at about 6pm", drinking only water and no alcohol (forensic tests on Merediths body have confirmed this).

They then watched a film on DVD, "The Notebook", until "about 9pm". Ms Purton has testified that she then walked home with Ms Kercher, but their ways parted and she went to her own home, leaving Ms Kercher to walk the 500 yards to the cottage in Viale Sant' Antonio. This would put Ms Kercher's return to the cottage at about 9.15pm.

Pathologists at first put the time of her death at between midnight and 2am. They later revised this because of analysis of the food in her stomach, which was only partly digested, suggesting that she was killed sooner after eating her meal.

Investigators are reportedly to re-question Ms Purton and Ms Butterworth to double check the time they had supper. The provisional time of death, meanwhile, is between 9pm and 11pm, although the fatal blow could have been struck earlier since Ms Kercher bled to death slowly.

http://www.people.co.uk/news/uk-worl...2039-23476085/

Oct 9 2011

GRIEVING Robyn Butterworth, who was on a university exchange from Leeds, England, to the Italian town of Perugia, is still haunted by the sex-murder of best pal Meredith Kercher – and the callous reaction of the girl cleared of the killing.

Robyn told her mum Sue she will never get over how Meredith had her throat cut at a student flat in Italy in 2007.

Sue, 61, said: “She won’t rest till justice is done for Meredith – she is always at the forefront of Robyn’s mind.

“My daughter believes the years that have passed mean nothing because it is back to square one now.”

Robyn’s damning testimony played a key role in getting American Knox, 21, and her 27-year-old Italian boyfriend convicted of the killing of the British student, which made headlines around the world.

But speaking at her Northampton, England, home days after the couple were acquitted last Monday, retired French teacher Sue, 61, said: “When Robyn was told they’d won their appeal she was in tears – she couldn’t believe it.

“Now she can’t bring herself to watch the news whenever the story comes on and just covers her ears."

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Robyn

*Robyn \r(o)-byn, rob-yn\ as a girl's name (also used as boy's name Robyn), is a variant of Roberta (Old English, Old German) and Robin (English), and the meaning of Robyn is "bright fame".

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/But...#ixzz1aVZyAVmm

**Butterworth is a name of Anglo-Saxon origin, and is locational from a place thus called near Rochdale in Lancashire. Recorded as "Buterwrth" in the 1235 Fine Court Rolls of that county, and as "Butterwurth" in the 1246 Assize Court Rolls; the place was so called from the Olde English pre 7th Century "butere", butter, from the Latin "butyrum", plus the Olde English "worth", a homestead, or enclosure round a homestead; hence, "homestead where butter was made". Presumably, the butter produced in this place was distinguished by excellence of blend or quality. The surname was first recorded in the mid 12th Century (see below), while, in 1559, one John Butterworth, of Butterworth, was noted in the Wills Records at Chester, and in 1587, Alice Butterworth of Rochdale, was noted in the same records. James Butterworth (1771 - 1837), wrote poems in the Lancashire dialect. His youngest son Edwin (1812 - 1848), collected materials for the history of Lancashire. Some of his collections are preserved at Oldham. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Reginald de Boterworth, which was dated circa 1160, in Baines "History of Lancashire", during the reign of King Henry 11, known as "The Builder of Churches", 1154 - 1189. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax.

[Livia]

The Italian prosecution is appealing and if they are successful, I hope the USA step up to the mark and allow this woman to be returned to Italy. If they do not, I hope every country in the world in future refuse to cooperate with the USA when it comes to extradition. It is not one rule for the USA and one rule for the rest of the world.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Italian prosecution is appealing and if they are successful, I hope the USA step up to the mark and allow this woman to be returned to Italy. If they do not, I hope every country in the world in future refuse to cooperate with the USA when it comes to extradition. It is not one rule for the USA and one rule for the rest of the world.

Exactly

We need to make sure our elected officials press the US to honour their commitments and extradite Amanda Knox when this sham of an appeal is overturned, as it surely will be.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Italian prosecution is appealing and if they are successful, I hope the USA step up to the mark and allow this woman to be returned to Italy. If they do not, I hope every country in the world in future refuse to cooperate with the USA when it comes to extradition. It is not one rule for the USA and one rule for the rest of the world.

If by rule, you mean America should allow the currupt misogynist italian justice system to use an American citizen as a sacrificial lamb to save face... then shame on you.

Amanda is home for good, and any xenophobic racist foreign government that tries to punish her to use an American citizen to appease the baying masses of idiots calling for blood to save face can go FOOK themselves.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Italian prosecution is appealing and if they are successful, I hope the USA step up to the mark and allow this woman to be returned to Italy. If they do not, I hope every country in the world in future refuse to cooperate with the USA when it comes to extradition. It is not one rule for the USA and one rule for the rest of the world.

Why should the USA return any extradition request, when Roman Polanski, who admits to raping and drugging a small girl, is allowed to live freely in Europe with no extradition to the USA???

If you give us Roman Polanski, then maybe we can talk about Amanda Knox. Until then, you have NO room to talk about extradition.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Why should the USA return any extradition request, when Roman Polanski, who admits to raping and drugging a small girl, is allowed to live freely in Europe with no extradition to the USA???

If you give us Roman Polanski, then maybe we can talk about Amanda Knox. Until then, you have NO room to talk about extradition.

Europe is not one country, if the US negotiates an extradition treaty with a country, the treaty should stand for both sides.

Having seen the way the US backed out of ratifying the US/UK Extradition treaty and still expect the UK to turn over anyone the US want, most countries wont bother listening to the US.

Just to reiterate, Amanda Knox trial - Italy Roman Polanski - France and Switzerland.

You appear to have also overlooked in the Polanski case the fact he did undergo trial and thought a bargain had been reached by the reduction of charges and probation and treatment in a clinic at the courts order. The judge then indicated to Polankski's attroney that he had changed his mind and though jail and deportation to be a more suitable punishment even though the prosecuting attorney asked for probation.

Even the prosecuting attorney stated that Polanski's treatment at the hands of a fame hungry judge was unfair. France doesnt have an extradition treaty with the US and Switzerland stated that Polanski had indeed served his original sentence.

Cant wait to read the garbage you will write in defence of the US legal system regarding extradition in rebuttal.