[Nemo123]

Arista, the dual standards make me sick. Earlier this year there was a chemical weapons attack by the rebels, yet not a dickie bird on the news. The British media, to my mind have always be the fairest in the world. Now I can longer bear to watch them. The have become tools of the establishment the world over.

[Novo]

Youtube video

Go on Vlad

[Josy]

They did present what they say is evidence, anyone can read it it's even on the BBC website

I'm not saying it's actual evidence btw just what they are passing off as being enough proof.

[Nedusa]

Not good enough to use as a pretext to start more murder and mayhem. No lets see real hard incontrovertible evidence that links the Assad govt to the use of these weapons.

Why the rush to War (again) ??

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Not good enough to use as a pretext to start more murder and mayhem. No lets see real hard incontrovertible evidence that links the Assad govt to the use of these weapons.

Why the rush to War (again) ??

In 5 days the President is Due to go the G20 in Russia
so he may try to fit it in before or after?

http://www.g20.org/docs/summit/summit_2013.html

[BBfanUSA]

President Obama is speaking right now. He's really trying to justify attacking Syria right now.

There's going to be a congressional vote on whether or not we should attack Syria.

[Tom4784]

I hope Congress votes against it, going to war would be senseless.

[Nedusa]

Poor President Obama I almost feel sorry for him, he really does not want to get involved in any of this nasty War stuff. He is a peace president and a Nobel Peace Laureate he doesn't want his name linked to warmongering . Dam that red line comment, please someone help me find a diplomatic way out of this mess...!!!

[Nemo123]

Thanks to the coalition govt Britain won't getting involvrd,

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I hope Congress votes against it, going to war would be senseless.

The may do.


But that Will Not Stop America
Attacking Syria.


Not the same politics as us.

[Nedusa]

I think President Obama is playing for time by referring it to Congress he has a another 9 days to wait, perhaps Congress will vote no, either way its another week for Assad to move or hide all his valuable military assets out of harms way.

I think the idea of a surprise attack is well and truly over ..!!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I think President Obama is playing for time by referring it to Congress he has a another 9 days to wait, perhaps Congress will vote no, either way its another week for Assad to move or hide all his valuable military assets out of harms way.

I think the idea of a surprise attack is well and truly over ..!!

Yes could be.


Also how many innocent people will Barack Murder?

[Nedusa]

I'm reading that the US Congress is by no means convinced of military action in Syria. It could be that Obama knows this and has already hedged his bets that the US Congress will reject the motion to support Military action.

This could have been Obama's strategy all along.

Could be now this is not going to happen anytime soon...!!!

[Z]

I don't really know how I feel about this. I believe the USA and France are making a mistake, trying to get involved in the Syrian situation; but the Syrian people do need help regardless of who perpetrated what in the territory.

[arista]

Syria: Obama Makes New Military Action Vow

[The US has a plan to help Syria's rebels
bring down the Assad regime
after launching military strikes,
President Obama has said.
Mr Obama said again that military action against
Syria would be "limited" but suggested a strike
would go further than simply punishing
President Bashar al Assad's alleged use
of chemical weapons.
The president said he was confident that
Congress would vote in favour of military
action and called for a prompt vote on the issue.
During a meeting of congressional leaders at the
White House, he said: "What we are envisioning
is something limited. It is something proportional.
It will degrade Assad's capabilities.
"At the same time we have a broader
strategy that will allow us to upgrade
the capabilities of the opposition."]



http://news.sky.com/story/1136626/sy...ary-action-vow


What about the Genral Public
who are Not Fighting
how many with America Murder

[Josy]

[Nedusa]

Let us all be in no doubt if Assad is attacked for using Chemical weapons even if he didn't , then he will decide he can use Chem Weapons now and as such I think he will hit the FSA hard with real Chemical Weapons. He will use the cover of air strikes to carry out this policy as it will help him rid Syria of his enemies inside and out.

Also if detected by the outside world ( which is almost certain) he will blame it on the US having targeted and hit a Chemical weapons storage bunker.

He has already moved all his real military assets to secure hidden locations so he might as well use the Air strikes as cover to continue waging his own internal war .

Get ready for things to become really messy with many possible casualties !!!!

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Zee

I don't really know how I feel about this. I believe the USA and France are making a mistake, trying to get involved in the Syrian situation; but the Syrian people do need help regardless of who perpetrated what in the territory.

but they are making threats... I would agree, if it had nothing to do with the US or france, i'd think there was no reason for us to be involved. But when threats are being made and these terrorists are killing 100's of their own people... it's a terrifying thought.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

but they are making threats... I would agree, if it had nothing to do with the US or france, i'd think there was no reason for us to be involved. But when threats are being made and these terrorists are killing 100's of their own people... it's a terrifying thought.

How many people from the general public do you think are going to be killed or badly injured if these strikes go ahead though?

Not to mention the fact that if they do go ahead and attack there is a very high probability of more chemical weapons attacks too.

[Josy]

The US has a plan to help Syria's rebels bring down the Assad regime

That sentence just doesn't sound right to me at all either...

[Josy]

The Senate Hearing is happening atm if anyone is interested..

http://www.livestation.com/reuters?source=redirect

[Nemo123]

Youtube is still a bastion of free speech and if you want to study the situation it's out there. I have only a broadbrush understanding, based on something George Walker Bush said: "If you're not with us you're agin us".
There are a lot of goldbugs out there, notably Max Keiser. I think he makes a mistake by overplaying the significance of gold and silver, and largely ignoring oil. The currency of the world is the oil-dollar. The promise to pay the bearer one dollar's worth in oil. This is why the USA wants to utterly dominate the middle east and has done so for the past 80 years or so.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Josy

The Senate Hearing is happening atm if anyone is interested..

http://www.livestation.com/reuters?source=redirect

There was a time, like in Britain, when you could distinguish one side from the other. Now they are all corporate mouthpieces, motivated by profit only.

[Nedusa]

I'm hearing on the news now that John Kerry is saying Assad fired the Chemical weapons from regime territory into rebel held territory. He is saying there is conclusive proof from the intelligence community.

So maybe he did, but why oh why would be do it ??

Can't get my head round the fact that he would be shooting himself in the foot in every way and by murdering so many innocent people he would be effectively signing his own death warrant.

I'm still not 100% convinced.... Just a small nagging doubt in my mind...!!!