[Daviemacscot]

Heff has probably employed a team of telephonists to continuously phone in for "team America" and boost their careers. Plain and simple the ONLY way they could win this after the way they have made it clear this is a business venture and nothing more. They have made great viewing, no doubt. But they surely can't be allowed to win by the British public?!

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by InOne

Josy agrees with me. And the rest of team America will be here in due course.

Originally Posted by Glenn

Reserved my arse. If she was that reserved she wouldn't take her clothes off for money, or be a playmate for the dirtiest old man on the planet.

The fact that you don't think Karissa can be reserved in her private life contrary to who she is in her public life is rather rather worrying.

[Kazelle]

Originally Posted by Daviemacscot

Heff has probably employed a team of telephonists to continuously phone in for "team America" and boost their careers. Plain and simple the ONLY way they could win this after the way they have made it clear this is a business venture and nothing more. They have made great viewing, no doubt. But they surely can't be allowed to win by the British public?!

I'm sure that's the case,

[Glenn.]

But she see it had upset her and apologized and meant it.

Ive been drunk before and upset someone and apologized and meant it, so using alcohol as a reason not to 'mean' it is ridiculus.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Glenn

But she see it had upset her and apologized and meant it.

Ive been drunk before and upset someone and apologized and meant it, so using alcohol as a reason not to 'mean' it is ridiculus.

This is going round in circles

If she meant it then why did she pretend to do it again?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

This is going round in circles

If she meant it then why did she pretend to do it again?

I saw that as Denise trying to lighten the mood by making a joke out of it.
An ill judged move, but trying to get her to laugh about it.

Denise seems a lot of things with a lot of problems but she's not malicious. People make it sound like she purposely upset her, and then tried to do it again. It's a clash of boundaries and senses of humour.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Josy

This is going round in circles

If she meant it then why did she pretend to do it again?

First and foremost the whole pulling down the pants was a joke. The pants didn't even go below the morons arse cheeks.

The Americans have zero sense of humor or at least no concept of the British sense of humor. But you have to admit or you'd be a fool to ignore the fact that it was blown way out of proportion.

Just imagine one of the twins had done this to Denise and Denise acted like Karissa? Denise would be called an idiot and you know it.

Denise is a wild one and obviously thought it would be funny.

Ok it wasn't the reaction she thought she was going to get but she apologized and she jokingly went to do it again. It was a joke. Simple as.

There was no malicious intent towards it, regardless of what 'Team America' would say.

Seems to me the twins would have the sun shining out of their arses if the tables were turned and you know that's true.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Glenn

First and foremost the whole pulling down the pants was a joke. The pants didn't even go below the morons arse cheeks.

The Americans have zero sense of humor or at least no concept of the British sense of humor. But you have to admit or you'd be a fool to ignore the fact that it was blown way out of proportion.

Just imagine one of the twins had done this to Denise and Denise acted like Karissa? Denise would be called an idiot and you know it.

Denise is a wild one and obviously thought it would be funny.

Ok it wasn't the reaction she thought she was going to get but she apologized and she jokingly went to do it again. It was a joke. Simple as.

There was no malicious intent towards it, regardless of what 'Team America' would say.

Seems to me the twins would have the sun shining out of their arses if the tables were turned and you know that's true.

The pulling down the pants thing might have been a joke in Denise's eyes but the twin clearly never took it that way nor did the BB producers who told her in the diary room they deemed it as unacceptable behaviour and I can honestly say right now whether Denise and her friends do that kind of thing regularly or not, if I was at a party and another woman done that to me I would not see the funny side either.

Saying Americans have zero sense of humour is just ridiculous that's all I have to say about that.

I do agree though that it was all blown out of proportion and I think if Frankie hadn't stepped in at the point he did and they had allowed Nicola to take the other twin outside then it would have calmed down a lot sooner and the Nicola/Denise argument wouldn't have happened.

I still stand by my opinion that if Denise was truly sorry and understood she was in the wrong she would have apologised to the twins the following day, she apologised to Nicola and told her she was going to say sorry to the twins but never done it.

[Marsh.]

Good post Glenn, the Americans (not all of them but in general) take themselves much too seriously and don't have the laugh-at-yourself sense of humour. That's why the "I'll sue your ass" is such a generic American response because they can't deal with embarrassment or taking the mick out of themselves.

[MTVN]

Yeah I wonder what these parties of Denise's are like where it's the norm for women in their 50's to go around pulling each others trousers down

[tweetypiebabe1]

My problem with the twins is that they act so high and mighty when they're really not. Yes I understand that just because you pose for playboy or page three doesn't mean you'll sleep with ever guy in town BUT I find it very hypocritical the way they spin instances around to suit their needs.

Denise said last night, your sister makes a living taking her clothes off for playboy/magazines and Kristina completely blew up at her and said that's a lie. But it's not really is it. I guarantee you the majority of their fortune came from living at the mansion and being Heff's girlfriends and appearing more than one tv show because of that.

I rate them for their business smarts. They are incredibly focused on the prize at hand and are very versed in the politics of entertainment BUT they cannot dispute that the majority of their fortune has come from them sexually exploiting themselves.

Honestly, I see Denise's point. Being a young adult female I've done that to my friends as they have to me. Was it acceptable for the cbb house which is broadcasted on tv? Maybe not but Denise clearly felt comfortable enough for her to let her guard down like that.

And to Josy, it's not about respect. Some people are more comfortable with others and some have different humor than others. There's nothing wrong with getting a little raunchy with your girlfriends in the privacy of your own quarters. The problem here was, they were on tv because I guarantee you, the twins have done a lot worse with their girlfriends when the cameras aren't around.

Denise still has a lot of emotional issues though and I really hope this experience helps her grow.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

My problem with the twins is that they act so high and mighty when they're really not. Yes I understand that just because you pose for playboy or page three doesn't mean you'll sleep with ever guy in town BUT I find it very hypocritical the way they spin instances around to suit their needs.

Denise said last night, your sister makes a living taking her clothes off for playboy/magazines and Kristina completely blew up at her and said that's a lie. But it's not really is it. I guarantee you the majority of their fortune came from living at the mansion and being Heff's girlfriends and appearing more than one tv show because of that.

I rate them for their business smarts. They are incredibly focused on the prize at hand and are very versed in the politics of entertainment BUT they cannot dispute that the majority of their fortune has come from them sexually exploiting themselves.

Honestly, I see Denise's point. Being a young adult female I've done that to my friends as they have to me. Was it acceptable for the cbb house which is broadcasted on tv? Maybe not but Denise clearly felt comfortable enough for her to let her guard down like that.

And to Josy, it's not about respect. Some people are more comfortable with others and some have different humor than others. There's nothing wrong with getting a little raunchy with your girlfriends in the privacy of your own quarters. The problem here was, they were on tv because I guarantee you, the twins have done a lot worse with their girlfriends when the cameras aren't around.

Denise still has a lot of emotional issues though and I really hope this experience helps her grow.

Actually it is about respect, randomly pulling a womens trousers down while she is dancing is completely disrespectful imo.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by josy

actually it is about respect, randomly pulling a womens trousers down while she is dancing is completely disrespectful imo.

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[tweetypiebabe1]

Originally Posted by Josy

Actually it is about respect, randomly pulling a womens trousers down while she is dancing is completely disrespectful imo.

Taken out of the wrong context. I wasn't referring to the incident I was referring to you saying the company you keep have more respect for each other than that.

In response to that I'm saying it's not necessarily about respect because believe it or not, there are some women out there who don't mind. If you don't mind having your trousers pulled down then respect isn't a factor.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

Taken out of the wrong context. I wasn't referring to the incident I was referring to you saying the company you keep have more respect for each other than that.

In response to that I'm saying it's not necessarily about respect because believe it or not, there are some women out there who don't mind. If you don't mind having your trousers pulled down then respect isn't a factor.

True, but, imo, you would have to know a person pretty well to know that they wouldn't mind having their pants pulled down. Denise barely knows the Twins.

[tweetypiebabe1]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

True, but, imo, you would have to know a person pretty well to know that they wouldn't mind having their pants pulled down. Denise barely knows the Twins.

This too is true and I think this incident says a lot about Denise's emotional state. She clearly felt comfortable enough with the twins and I believe this she's clearly insecure about her age and wanted to 'fit in' with the 'cool kids', among other things.

Honestly, I wouldn't have pulled their pants down, at least not on telly. I don't think they mind normally when they're in their naturally setting but the fact that it was being broadcasted and they didn't necessarily sign up to show off their body, ie. they weren't making no money from it, really set them off.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

Taken out of the wrong context. I wasn't referring to the incident I was referring to you saying the company you keep have more respect for each other than that.

In response to that I'm saying it's not necessarily about respect because believe it or not, there are some women out there who don't mind. If you don't mind having your trousers pulled down then respect isn't a factor.

I wasnt referring to that incident either, if there are woman out there who dont mind having there trousers pulled down like that or find it funny then fair play to them, but I find it disrespectful.

[Monkey Slut]

No apology but to be honest, I don't want to see one, it would just be half-assed like the one that Nicola got from Denise.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut

No apology but to be honest, I don't want to see one, it would just be half-assed like the one that Nicola got from Denise.

How can you say Denise gave her a half-assed apology? Denise and Nicola had a few convos about it throughout the highlights show where she explained herself and apologised, as did Nicola and then they hugged it out.

[Glenn.]

The twins are hypercritical. They HAVE made a fortune taking their clothes off and like someone else has said, it's ok when it suits them.

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

The twins are hypercritical. They HAVE made a fortune taking their clothes off and like someone else has said, it's ok when it suits them.

No ****. It's not okay when a 50 something women they barely know tries to do the undressing for them.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

The twins are hypercritical. They HAVE made a fortune taking their clothes off and like someone else has said, it's ok when it suits them.

Of course it's ok when it suits them It's their bodies. I can't see how you think just because they've done glamour modelling that it gives people the right to take off their clothes without their consent

[Mac1978]

Thanks for your welcome Wong and Inone. These forums are usually a bit pointless as I think most people won't really change their mind. But it's always nice to see that there are some others that see the world as you do.

What I slightly cringe at, is the idea that the twins will be ejected to a howling mob, and subjected to questioning along the lines of 'Why did you over-react?' I mean their bound to go home thinking that Britain (and by extension us Irish that watch) has a very strange value system.

I've had the good fortune to travel all over America. And I hate teh Anti-yank crap that's so prevalent all over Europe. By and large, Americans would put all of us to shame with their manners. I was at a baseball game in Chicago a few years ago. When the opposition stepped on the mound I was fascinated not to hear evn one single word of abuse. For the whole of the game I never heard the F word (and was very careful not to use it myself). It was a complete family day out. Parents and kids all over the gaff. Beer sold at the stadium, yet I didn't see anybody drunk. When would you see that on the British Isles?

Say what you like about the yanks - they know how to behave themselves. We've all lost the plot. And when people try to defend loutish behaviour as a joke, it makes me despair all the more.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mac1978

Thanks for your welcome Wong and Inone. These forums are usually a bit pointless as I think most people won't really change their mind. But it's always nice to see that there are some others that see the world as you do.

What I slightly cringe at, is the idea that the twins will be ejected to a howling mob, and subjected to questioning along the lines of 'Why did you over-react?' I mean their bound to go home thinking that Britain (and by extension us Irish that watch) has a very strange value system.

I've had the good fortune to travel all over America. And I hate teh Anti-yank crap that's so prevalent all over Europe. By and large, Americans would put all of us to shame with their manners. I was at a baseball game in Chicago a few years ago. When the opposition stepped on the mound I was fascinated not to hear evn one single word of abuse. For the whole of the game I never heard the F word (and was very careful not to use it myself). It was a complete family day out. Parents and kids all over the gaff. Beer sold at the stadium, yet I didn't see anybody drunk. When would you see that on the British Isles?

Say what you like about the yanks - they know how to behave themselves. We've all lost the plot. And when people try to defend loutish behaviour as a joke, it makes me despair all the more.

Of course people aren't going to change their minds, they're entitled to their own opinions. That's what makes forums like this relevant, it gives people a chance to discuss their differing views. Trust me, if we all saw the world in the same light we'd soon run out of things to talk about.

As for them thinking Britain has a strange value system, well I don't really care because I have my opinions about the value system of women who sexually exploit themselves for fame and fortune. But to each their own anyway.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Mac1978

Thanks for your welcome Wong and Inone. These forums are usually a bit pointless as I think most people won't really change their mind. But it's always nice to see that there are some others that see the world as you do.

What I slightly cringe at, is the idea that the twins will be ejected to a howling mob, and subjected to questioning along the lines of 'Why did you over-react?' I mean their bound to go home thinking that Britain (and by extension us Irish that watch) has a very strange value system.

I've had the good fortune to travel all over America. And I hate teh Anti-yank crap that's so prevalent all over Europe. By and large, Americans would put all of us to shame with their manners. I was at a baseball game in Chicago a few years ago. When the opposition stepped on the mound I was fascinated not to hear evn one single word of abuse. For the whole of the game I never Iheard the F word (and was very careful not to use it myself). It was a complete family day out. Parents and kids all over the gaff. Beer sold at the stadium, yet I didn't see anybody drunk. When would you see that on the British Isles?

Say what you like about the yanks - they know how to behave themselves. We've all lost the plot. And when people try to defend loutish behaviour as a joke, it makes me despair all the more.

I'd advise you not to watch Bit on the Side tonight.

The views expressed this evening would send you into a deep depression.

BB at it's worst.