[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Thank you for the link. I will have a read of it properly, although after skimming it, I saw some linguistic tricks and at least one fallacy, but I'll read the whole thing before commenting fully.



But just to highlight a glaring hole in his argument:



1. If unicorns had existed, then there is evidence in the fossil record.
2. There is no evidence of unicorns in the fossil record.
3. Therefore, unicorns never existed.



Not every animal that has existed we have evidence for, yet we know about their existence due to the fact that they are intermediary species, and through biology. Also, I'm fairly sure that there are, as of yet undiscovered fossils of animals that have existed in the past. Does the fact we are yet to find them, mean that they didn't exist? Of course not.


Finally, when people say " you can't either prove or disprove....." they are generally about to make a claim that is outrageous, such as heaven/religion/magic etc, so it's one thing attempting to use fossil evidence to disprove unicorns, but it's another thing entirely to make claims that can't be tested, and then say it's a draw.

But making a broad statement "You can't prove a negative" is incorrect.

[Glenn.]

Answer me this Jesus(that's a sentence I never thought I would ask)

Taking Sally Morgan as example, why she was able to ask a complete stranger about a wardrobe, to be told that's where the urn, containing the remains of the person that gave her the image?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Answer me this Jesus(that's a sentence I never thought I would ask)

Taking Sally Morgan as example, why she was able to ask a complete stranger about a wardrobe, to be told that's where the urn, containing the remains of the person that gave her the image?

Very interesting interview about what goes on in these shows of hers...

Youtube video

And just for a laugh...

Youtube video

Youtube video

"What with her toe stuck?"

Originally Posted by Glenn

Answer me this Jesus(that's a sentence I never thought I would ask)

Taking Sally Morgan as example, why she was able to ask a complete stranger about a wardrobe, to be told that's where the urn, containing the remains of the person that gave her the image?

Because they know what they are doing. I've seen Derren Brown pick out an audience member, and then tell her that her mom had a thing for "hats" and was known as "the hat woman". The woman broke down as these things were completely true. Now how could he have known that about a stranger?

Youtube video

[Glenn.]

The allegations in that radio interview doesn't make an sense whatsoever. It wouldn't be possible to to get personal information from someone in the audience, then convey the information on stage.

Is ridiculus

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

The allegations in that radio interview doesn't make an sense whatsoever. It wouldn't be possible to to get personal information from someone in the audience, then convey the information on stage.

Is ridiculus

Not ridiculous. Many of Sally Morgan's shows have "pods" where people are asked to share their stories of what they hope to get from Sally, or fill out a card with their information on.

Also members of the crew stand around the foyer before the show starts where you are more likely to overhear all kinds of conversations the audience have before entering the show. I suggest you listen to the entire discussion.

A window open where she can hear someone in the projection room saying exactly what Sally says on the stage mere seconds before she does. Certainly not a coincidence.

Derren Brown has done many shows where he's predicted things or read people's minds to get information he couldn't have known. Yet he's openly admitted he's not a psychic and it's all a trick.

[Glenn.]

Jesus you haven't answered my question.

[Glenn.]

So it was common knowledge that the woman had her dead husbands remains in the wardrobe? And it was something that good old Sally jus happened to be from the conversation?

Your completely ridiculus.

Originally Posted by Glenn

So it was common knowledge that the woman had her dead husbands remains in the wardrobe? And it was something that good old Sally jus happened to be from the conversation?

Your completely ridiculus.

You've completely misinterpreted what I said there. I don't know how she did it. Maybe the medium did her research, but people without these powers can also achieve the same results

Youtube video

Watch this from about 35 minutes in.

[Glenn.]

I know a man called Steve who owns the local Gym who's psychic. He goes to sleep and wakes up with a message from someone who has passed away. He forgets about it and he eventually comes into contact with the person the message is for. Whether its in the street or in the gym.

I asked him once how he does it and he said he was woke up one night with these voices talking in his head.

He doesn't earn money from it, and doesn't want to. He resents it.

I know its the real deal because of stuff he's told me. It's too personal to guess.

Originally Posted by Glenn

I know a man called Steve who owns the local Gym who's psychic. He goes to sleep and wakes up with a message from someone who has passed away. He forgets about it and he eventually comes into contact with the person the message is for. Whether its in the street or in the gym.

I asked him once how he does it and he said he was woke up one night with these voices talking in his head.

He doesn't earn money from it, and doesn't want to. He resents it.

I know its the real deal because of stuff he's told me. It's too personal to guess.

Did you watch the Derren Brown reading I posted above, Glenn? What did you think? Has it made you question anything, or does it make you think that he has the gift, but doesn't yet know it?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Did you watch the Derren Brown reading I posted above, Glenn? What did you think? Has it made you question anything, or does it make you think that he has the gift, but doesn't yet know it?

Yes I watched it.

It doesn't change my view on this whatsoever.

Especially not with my friend Steve.

Your outright calling him a liar because you don't believe it.

Originally Posted by Glenn

Yes I watched it.

It doesn't change my view on this whatsoever.

Especially not with my friend Steve.

Your outright calling him a liar because you don't believe it.

You asked me how Sandra could know things about the urn, so I show you Derren Brown doing similar things. And now you're accusing me of attacking your friend.

Why did you go through the pretense of having a conversation about it? You should of just flounced at the start, and we could have avoided the civil conversation. Really bizarre. I'm not asking you to change your mind, I'm just showing you there are other examples of these skills.

I never for one second thought, that offering you information that you requested, would result in you having a go at me.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You asked me how Sally could know things about the urn, so I show you Derren Brown doing similar things. And now you're accusing me of attacking your friend.

Why did you go through the pretense of having a conversation about it? You should of just flounced at the start, and we could have avoided the civil conversation. Really bizarre. I'm not asking you to change your mind, I'm just showing you there are other examples of these skills.

I never for one second thought, that offering you information that you requested, would result in you having a go at me.

I gave you an example of why I believe in mediums and you posted a video, obviously with the attempt to debunk my opinion.

My friend isn't a commercial medium. He doesn't make money on it and has no intentions to fool people, like the examples in your video, which suggests all psychic's do fool people.

In a roundabout way, your calling mediums and psychics frauds. My example says its not the case, which you seem to be ignoring because you don't agree with it.

[Kizzy]

It should work the same way justice rystem(should) work, innocent till proven guilty...Its not up to me to prove i did see a ghost....Its up to you to prove i Couldn't possibly see one.

[Roy Mars III]

you didn't see one because they do not exist. case closed

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

you didn't see one because they do not exist. case closed

[Kizzy]

I agree there are those who seem sensitive to these things, experience a lot of de ja vous, have really strong warning instincts, know when children or family members are in trouble.
Childre are very sensitive thats why they have lots of experiences, but no one believes them.

Originally Posted by kizzy

I agree there are those who seem sensitive to these things, experience a lot of de ja vous, have really strong warning instincts, know when children or family members are in trouble.
Childre are very sensitive thats why they have lots of experiences, but no one believes them.

Agree with whom?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Agree with whom?

Not you obv! haha, i meant glenn

[Glenn.]

OK then. Is my friend a fraud? You seem to have all the answers.

Originally Posted by Glenn

OK then. Is my friend a fraud? You seem to have all the answers.

Glenn, please look at my first post in this thread on page one. Never, have I claimed to have all the answers. I've offered different opinions, and explained them using the terms of our own survival as a species, as to why we see things that aren't really there.

Saying that "you seem to have all the answers" is an easy way to pretend that's what I believe about myself.

[Kazanne]

I don't believe in fortune tellers etc,but Ghosts,I would never say they do not exist as none of us really know,I have never seen one,but I would never jest at anyone who has seen one,they may or may not exist.

[Glenn.]

Again, you didn't answer my question.

Nevermind. I'm really not wasting any more of my time on this subject.