It is on topic. You made the thread about unions, so I'm asking if you give all your union-earned benefits back to your employer?

It's quite a simple question, really.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It is on topic. You made the thread about unions, so I'm asking if you give all your union-earned benefits back to your employer?

It's quite a simple question, really.

Wrong
This Thread is Not about Me,

Originally Posted by arista

Wrong
This Thread is Not about Me,

In every post you've slagged off unions/union workers. So, in a way that is almost too polite, I'm asking you if you give back your own union-earned rights?

You can, of course, say that you don't wish to answer the question I've asked, but I'm just interested to know, because it is very relevant to whether unions encourage people to just be lazy (people aren't paid when they strike), or whether they fight for working men and women across the world.

[arista]

Well Done Ch4 News
just showed a Tanker Driver who drives the same size Tanker
but he has milk in his.

He stated the Petrol Tanker drivers are just being Greedy.



Ch4News Fact.

Originally Posted by arista

Well Done Ch4 News
just showed a Tanker Driver who drives the same size Tanker
but he has milk in his.

He stated the Petrol Tanker drivers are just being Greedy.



Ch4News Fact.

Do the milk drivers, drive around with a massive bomb attached to their lorries, too?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Do the milk drivers, drive around with a massive bomb attached to their lorries, too?

Of course not
but he does the Same Shifts, Same Massive Truck
and says the Petrol Tankers are Greedy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Of course not
but he does the Same Shifts, Same Massive Truck
and says the Petrol Tankers are Greedy.

They are not greedy, they have a very dangerous and responsible job.Working longer and faster would compromise safety...I cannot understand why you fail to see this arista

[arista]

Originally Posted by kizzy

They are not greedy, they have a very dangerous and responsible job.Working longer and faster would compromise safety...I cannot understand why you fail to see this arista

Sort Out a Deal.


But on Ch4News today
A Tanker Driver of Milk
said they are Greedy.


Well Done Ch4News.

[Marc]

Joke

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marc

Joke

What are you talking about?

[Marc]

Settle down guys

[arista]

So What if I do Not Like Unions.
Thats Fine.


Get On Topic.

Originally Posted by arista

So What if I do Not Like Unions.
Thats Fine.


Get On Topic.

The problem is, that I'm not allowed to question you.

I'll make one further point and leave the thread.

This thread is about unions, and workers rights. This is undeniable. But yet again, I'm not allowed to point out massive glaring flaws in the arguments that are being made.

The wider point that I'm making, is that people never moan that they are being paid holiday/sick leave, but have no idea of how they got those rights.

The mods come to your rescue again Arista.

The thread is all yours.

[Kizzy]

Dont bother jeebs, fighting a losing battle against this diatribe...

[arista]

"The mods come to your rescue again Arista."


No the staff do a good Job
and have told you and me to get on topic.

[arista]

I burned that Interview onto my latest DVDR

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

I burned that Interview onto my latest DVDR

Good for you..

[King Gizzard]

30 March 2012 Last updated at 11:48


Fuel strike over Easter ruled out by union

Aerial footage showed long queues for fuel in New Malden, south-west London, on Thursday
Continue reading the main story
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An Easter strike by fuel tanker drivers has been ruled out by the Unite union.

It is to join conciliation talks and says there may still be a strike after Easter if those fail.

Government advice to drivers to top up tanks has been blamed by retailers for causing "panic buying". Demand for petrol rose 172% on Thursday, and diesel 77%, said independent experts.

In York, a woman suffered 40% burns on Thursday when petrol ignited as she was decanting it in her kitchen.

The union announced on Friday morning that there would be no strike over Easter.

In a statement, assistant general secretary Diana Holland said: "We do still retain the right to call strike action for after Easter should those talks break down."

Some 90% of UK forecourts are supplied by the Unite union's 2,000 or so members at the centre of the dispute.

Unite's drivers, who deliver fuel to Shell and Esso garages and supermarkets such as Tesco and Sainsbury's, have called for minimum working conditions covering pay, hours, holiday and redundancy.

Conciliation service Acas says it hopes talks between employers and unions will take place shortly after Monday.
Contingency plans

Queues formed at many petrol stations across the country on Thursday as demand for fuel rose.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

It is for the employers and unions to resolve their issues by getting around the negotiating table and talking”

DECC spokeswoman

Some garages ran dry but retailers said they were coping and normal deliveries would ensure supplies were replenished.

Anticipating a strike they describe as "completely wrong", ministers have called for motorists to keep their cars "topped up" but urged people not to queue.

On Thursday, Energy Secretary Ed Davey advised that people "just need to do the sensible thing... get a full tank of petrol, not a half-tank".

Mr Davey is due to meet hauliers on Friday to discuss plans in the event of a strike.

He told the BBC the talks were aimed at building "detailed and robust" contingency plans.

Mr Davey said one of the issues to be discussed would be ways to store fuel to ensure that emergency services had enough supplies in the event of industrial action.
Graphic showing how long fuel in UK drivers' tanks could last

Earlier, a Department of Energy and Climate Change spokeswoman said: "There will be no discussions on the dispute itself. That is an industrial matter, and it is for the employers and unions to resolve their issues by getting around the negotiating table and talking."

Brian Madderson, chairman of independent retailers' group RMI Petrol, accused ministers of "making a crisis out of a serious concern" and said they should have sought industry advice "weeks ago" on how to avoid fuel shortages.

It said petrol sales had been up 81% on normal levels on Wednesday, with diesel up 43%.

Teresa Sayers, chief executive of retailer group the Downstream Fuel Association, said increased demand had resulted in some UK garages running out of fuel.

The Petrol Retailers Association, which represents around 5,500 garages, said: "This is exactly what we didn't want - people panic-buying."

But Conservative Party co-chairman Baroness Warsi defended the government over its advice in the face of a possible strike.

"I want a government that's prepared to say to people 'use your common sense and let's be resilient and make sure there's fuel built into the system'.

"I don't want a government that's sat on its hands, waits for the crisis to approach us and then looks like it's caught in the headlights," she said.

'Shambles' accusation

The accident in York on Thursday happened as a woman, in her 40s, was transferring petrol between containers in her kitchen because her daughter had run out of fuel.

The cooker was on and the petrol fumes ignited. The woman has been treated for her injuries at Pinderfields Hospital in Wakefield.

The day before had seen controversy over Cabinet Minister Francis Maude's suggestion that people could store petrol in jerrycans at home - advice later withdrawn as a mistake.

Labour leader Ed Miliband has called on Prime Minister David Cameron to apologise for "presiding over a shambles on petrol" and accused the government of diverting attention from criticism of the Budget.

The Conservatives hit back at Labour for failing to condemn the stance of Unite - the party's biggest donor.

Acas hopes a format for talks will be fixed by Monday, with face-to-face discussions starting soon afterwards.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17558294

[King Gizzard]

30 March 2012 Last updated at 11:48


Fuel strike over Easter ruled out by union

Aerial footage showed long queues for fuel in New Malden, south-west London, on Thursday
Continue reading the main story
Related Stories

'Panic buying' at petrol stations
Nick Robinson: 'Don't panic,' they said
Fuel queues: Your views

An Easter strike by fuel tanker drivers has been ruled out by the Unite union.

It is to join conciliation talks and says there may still be a strike after Easter if those fail.

Government advice to drivers to top up tanks has been blamed by retailers for causing "panic buying". Demand for petrol rose 172% on Thursday, and diesel 77%, said independent experts.

In York, a woman suffered 40% burns on Thursday when petrol ignited as she was decanting it in her kitchen.

The union announced on Friday morning that there would be no strike over Easter.

In a statement, assistant general secretary Diana Holland said: "We do still retain the right to call strike action for after Easter should those talks break down."

Some 90% of UK forecourts are supplied by the Unite union's 2,000 or so members at the centre of the dispute.

Unite's drivers, who deliver fuel to Shell and Esso garages and supermarkets such as Tesco and Sainsbury's, have called for minimum working conditions covering pay, hours, holiday and redundancy.

Conciliation service Acas says it hopes talks between employers and unions will take place shortly after Monday.
Contingency plans

Queues formed at many petrol stations across the country on Thursday as demand for fuel rose.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

It is for the employers and unions to resolve their issues by getting around the negotiating table and talking”

DECC spokeswoman

Some garages ran dry but retailers said they were coping and normal deliveries would ensure supplies were replenished.

Anticipating a strike they describe as "completely wrong", ministers have called for motorists to keep their cars "topped up" but urged people not to queue.

On Thursday, Energy Secretary Ed Davey advised that people "just need to do the sensible thing... get a full tank of petrol, not a half-tank".

Mr Davey is due to meet hauliers on Friday to discuss plans in the event of a strike.

He told the BBC the talks were aimed at building "detailed and robust" contingency plans.

Mr Davey said one of the issues to be discussed would be ways to store fuel to ensure that emergency services had enough supplies in the event of industrial action.
Graphic showing how long fuel in UK drivers' tanks could last

Earlier, a Department of Energy and Climate Change spokeswoman said: "There will be no discussions on the dispute itself. That is an industrial matter, and it is for the employers and unions to resolve their issues by getting around the negotiating table and talking."

Brian Madderson, chairman of independent retailers' group RMI Petrol, accused ministers of "making a crisis out of a serious concern" and said they should have sought industry advice "weeks ago" on how to avoid fuel shortages.

It said petrol sales had been up 81% on normal levels on Wednesday, with diesel up 43%.

Teresa Sayers, chief executive of retailer group the Downstream Fuel Association, said increased demand had resulted in some UK garages running out of fuel.

The Petrol Retailers Association, which represents around 5,500 garages, said: "This is exactly what we didn't want - people panic-buying."

But Conservative Party co-chairman Baroness Warsi defended the government over its advice in the face of a possible strike.

"I want a government that's prepared to say to people 'use your common sense and let's be resilient and make sure there's fuel built into the system'.

"I don't want a government that's sat on its hands, waits for the crisis to approach us and then looks like it's caught in the headlights," she said.

'Shambles' accusation

The accident in York on Thursday happened as a woman, in her 40s, was transferring petrol between containers in her kitchen because her daughter had run out of fuel.

The cooker was on and the petrol fumes ignited. The woman has been treated for her injuries at Pinderfields Hospital in Wakefield.

The day before had seen controversy over Cabinet Minister Francis Maude's suggestion that people could store petrol in jerrycans at home - advice later withdrawn as a mistake.

Labour leader Ed Miliband has called on Prime Minister David Cameron to apologise for "presiding over a shambles on petrol" and accused the government of diverting attention from criticism of the Budget.

The Conservatives hit back at Labour for failing to condemn the stance of Unite - the party's biggest donor.

Acas hopes a format for talks will be fixed by Monday, with face-to-face discussions starting soon afterwards.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17558294

[Kizzy]

So who is going to take responsibility for this? Francis Maude?....David Cameron?....As the advice from Ed Davey and the incident happened on the same day, it could also be his comment that made this lady attempt such a dangerous task.
My guess is none of them will!

[arista]

Len McCluskey

[Kizzy]

I dont think so arista....
Here is a quote from his guardian article...
''tanker drivers are responsible professionals. Unite has written to the minister asking for a full breakdown of the emergency supply centres so that we can secure these. At the same time, we asked him to remind the industry not to be tempted to sell these supplies, as they have done before''

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17570627

The government has changed its advice to motorists after two days of panic buying at petrol stations.

Ministers now say there is no urgent need to top up petrol tanks, after the Unite union ruled out a strike by tanker drivers over Easter.

This so-called "government" couldn't organise the proverbial ****-up in a brewery but it would ensure that profit margins were increased to "cope with demand" .....

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17706221

The fuel tanker drivers' dispute could be over after the Unite union agreed to put a possible deal to its members.

The deal was tabled following lengthy talks between the union and officials from six distribution firms.

About 60 union representatives from across the country will discuss the deal, and could still reject the proposals or ask for changes.

BBC transport correspondent Richard Westcott said there could still be a decision to strike, but that a deal was now effectively on the table.

A slap in the mush for the scare-mongering Tories .....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17706221



A slap in the mush for the scare-mongering Tories .....

Yes, what will they do now to take the spotlight off their misdemeanors?.....