[sampvt]

Originally Posted by JTM45

As there are no defined rules on racism Sampvt most decent people use their common sense to decide what is and what isn't racist.
If you're not sure if it's racist or not just don't say it anyway!

If its common sence you are battling on about and it was applied, half of these PC posts wouldnt be up. Different people have different levels of tolerance. Its ok for a black man to call another a N but a mixed race person cant. I just dont get the borderline stuff that people make massive issues of.

Ask yourself this, lets say if Adam was Indian not afro whatever and he and Deana were called Baboons.....who would laugh and who would go running down to the nearest race relations board and employ a lawyer to see how much money they could get a the victim of a racial abuse.

Abuse is abuse when it causes hurt. Some of these PC guys act as judge and jury and poke their noses in making things worse and creating a problem where non existed. I am not racist and I have some really good Asian, sorry Indian friends, and one Japanese mate who incidently eats with chopsticks and dosent mind being called Asian. Some of these PC guys need to switch off here and watch in the night garden and poke holes in Iggle piggle and pepper pig, the sh.t thise guys get away with is of the scale.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by sampvt

If its common sence you are battling on about and it was applied, half of these PC posts wouldnt be up. Different people have different levels of tolerance. Its ok for a black man to call another a N but a mixed race person cant. I just dont get the borderline stuff that people make massive issues of.

Ask yourself this, lets say if Adam was Indian not afro whatever and he and Deana were called Baboons.....who would laugh and who would go running down to the nearest race relations board and employ a lawyer to see how much money they could get a the victim of a racial abuse.

Abuse is abuse when it causes hurt. Some of these PC guys act as judge and jury and poke their noses in making things worse and creating a problem where non existed. I am not racist and I have some really good Asian, sorry Indian friends, and one Japanese mate who incidently eats with chopsticks and dosent mind being called Asian. Some of these PC guys need to switch off here and watch in the night garden and poke holes in Iggle piggle and pepper pig, the sh.t thise guys get away with is of the scale.

you have some Indian friends and a Japanese friend?! Congratulations. Doesn't mean that people from the same ethnic groups must be wrong when they try to correct offensive statements you make. You repeatedly tell us you are married and have been for 40yrs, but I am confident a poll as to who here would hypothetically like to be your life partner would open your eyes to how unattractive, angry, narrow-minded, and bilious you are coming across. I suppose acknowledging some of the present concerns may force you to evaluate previous opinions, statements and actions and this may be too difficult to face up to.

By the way, some of your posts that have no sweeping generalisations, have been measured, funny and enjoyable. That is why I bother to whinge at you and don't even bother with the other guy who eggs you on.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

you have some Indian friends and a Japanese friend?! Congratulations. Doesn't mean that people from the same ethnic groups must be wrong when they try to correct offensive statements you make. You repeatedly tell us you are married and have been for 40yrs, but I am confident a poll as to who here would hypothetically like to be your life partner would open your eyes to how unattractive, angry, narrow-minded, and bilious you are coming across. I suppose acknowledging some of the present concerns may force you to evaluate previous opinions, statements and actions and this may be too difficult to face up to.

By the way, some of your posts that have no sweeping generalisations, have been measured, funny and enjoyable. That is why I bother to whinge at you and don't even bother with the other guy who eggs you on.

I like to have a bet nowandagain and I would be willing to bet that if you lived in Leeds or maybe knew someone from Leeds that you could deputise and get them to meet me, I bet they would tell you I am a nice guy with a warped and dry sence of humour with loads of friends and should be in the house. You only judge me on my posts. Unlike some of the posters I love to get the juices flowing and vent in the face of the people, that to my mind, must struggle not to fall asleep at their laptops.

They use weird avatars to brighten up their personalities and hide behind the screen pretending to be outraged when in reality the couldnt give a toss. I think we shouls all follow my example....post you own picture, tell your correct age, dont kiss anyones arse and HAVE SOME BLOODY FUN, this is after all BB not songs of praise.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I like to have a bet nowandagain and I would be willing to bet that if you lived in Leeds or maybe knew someone from Leeds that you could deputise and get them to meet me, I bet they would tell you I am a nice guy with a warped and dry sence of humour with loads of friends and should be in the house. You only judge me on my posts. Unlike some of the posters I love to get the juices flowing and vent in the face of the people, that to my mind, must struggle not to fall asleep at their laptops.

They use weird avatars to brighten up their personalities and hide behind the screen pretending to be outraged when in reality the couldnt give a toss. I think we shouls all follow my example....post you own picture, tell your correct age, dont kiss anyones arse and HAVE SOME BLOODY FUN, this is after all BB not songs of praise.

I wonder what did we all do on this forum without you to tell us where we've all been going wrong all this time?

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I like to have a bet nowandagain and I would be willing to bet that if you lived in Leeds or maybe knew someone from Leeds that you could deputise and get them to meet me, I bet they would tell you I am a nice guy with a warped and dry sence of humour with loads of friends and should be in the house. You only judge me on my posts. Unlike some of the posters I love to get the juices flowing and vent in the face of the people, that to my mind, must struggle not to fall asleep at their laptops.

They use weird avatars to brighten up their personalities and hide behind the screen pretending to be outraged when in reality the couldnt give a toss. I think we shouls all follow my example....post you own picture, tell your correct age, dont kiss anyones arse and HAVE SOME BLOODY FUN, this is after all BB not songs of praise.

Yes sampvt. Everyone is wrong apart from you, you're really popular in Leeds, you would be a brilliant housemate, you're posts are a bundle of fun etc etc

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I like to have a bet nowandagain and I would be willing to bet that if you lived in Leeds or maybe knew someone from Leeds that you could deputise and get them to meet me, I bet they would tell you I am a nice guy with a warped and dry sence of humour with loads of friends and should be in the house. You only judge me on my posts. Unlike some of the posters I love to get the juices flowing and vent in the face of the people, that to my mind, must struggle not to fall asleep at their laptops.

They use weird avatars to brighten up their personalities and hide behind the screen pretending to be outraged when in reality the couldnt give a toss. I think we shouls all follow my example....post you own picture, tell your correct age, dont kiss anyones arse and HAVE SOME BLOODY FUN, this is after all BB not songs of praise.

I have nothing against your opinions about housemates, and fuel to a fire is brilliant for debate but the stereotyping and generalisations detract from the debate you wish to encourage.
For example, I like Deana and you clearly can't stand her. Were you to write "That cold-hearted calculating cow is manipulating others into behaviour that would show them up as villains to further her position as the nation's rescue puppy", I would gladly discuss this. However, were you to add on "like [enter ethnic minority here] always do to further their employability through the ridiculous concept of positive discrimination", I am no longer urged to discuss BB with you but want to discuss the generalisation you have associated with your main point. You are then left having to defend this position and the discussion ends up being about you and your views on race, gender and the like, which may not actually be how you really feel. This seems to be how a lot of threads have panned out.

[JTM45]

Oh dear!

[Raph]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Oh dear!

This.

[rayheartbliss]

i didnt see this so i cant give my full view..... but if they were 'laughing' at the fact that certain cultures use their hands to eat, then well...it certainly sounds racist, and no doubt if someone who uses their hands to eat and they saw people laughing about it, they would get offended.

[rayheartbliss]

FOLLOW YOU'RE EXAMPLE!!! lmao...is this guy for real?

[JamesBond]

I've never heard of anyone eating cereal with their fingers, they were trying to take the piss and be funny.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

I've never heard of anyone eating cereal with their fingers, they were trying to take the piss and be funny.

Just because youve not heard of it dpesnt mean to say they dont

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Just because youve not heard of it dpesnt mean to say they dont

Asian people do not eat cereal with their hands. Fact.
So they were stereotyping.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Asian people do not eat cereal with their hands. Fact.
So they were stereotyping.

Please post evidence of this and you my dear are stereotyping by claiming they ALL dont

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Please post evidence of this and you my dear are stereotyping by claiming they ALL dont

I am Asian.
Some foods are eaten with hands but no way are cereal & milk.

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Just because youve not heard of it dpesnt mean to say they dont

I was talking about common sense, clearly it was not directed at you

[sampvt]

Dizzy dont argue with james bond, he is the Oracle we all should listen to. Actually he isnt a bad guy, he just bites a bit harder than most.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Dizzy dont argue with james bond, he is the Oracle we all should listen to. Actually he isnt a bad guy, he just bites a bit harder than most.

As Im sure you have seen I have my own mind, I dont follow ,I lead,I think for myself and have my own opinions, let Bond do his worst, it will never change my opinion

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Dizzy dont argue with james bond, he is the Oracle we all should listen to. Actually he isnt a bad guy, he just bites a bit harder than most.

Awww I love you 2

[sampvt]

Salman I love you to bits and you are one of my fav one liner daft silly posters but I havent got a clue who chuff is honest.

Chuff PM me and give me the heads up please.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Salman I love you to bits and you are one of my fav one liner daft silly posters but I havent got a clue who chuff is honest.

Chuff PM me and give me the heads up please.

Cheeky mare !! Im all woman

[robb]

No question he deserves a rebuke from BB. The problem is that with all these warnings ( AND why weren't they issued before?) some of the housemates , like caroline, are attempting to change their WHOLE personality.

[MatthewS]

Agreed. Seriously. With all these "warnings" over the slightest little thing, Big Brother is essentially manipulating how the housemates act. I want to see them be "real" and act as they normally would, not be sheeps and act as Big Brother deems "acceptable". That's not the point of the show. If someone is a racist/nasty/bullying, then the public won't vote for them and they'll be evicted. That right there should be the punishment. And if the public doesn't choose to evict them, then that's just the nature of the game. I'd like to give Big Brother a warning tbh, stop trying to manipulate how the housemates act.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

Agreed. Seriously. With all these "warnings" over the slightest little thing, Big Brother is essentially manipulating how the housemates act. I want to see them be "real" and act as they normally would, not be sheeps and act as Big Brother deems "acceptable". That's not the point of the show. If someone is a racist/nasty/bullying, then the public won't vote for them and they'll be evicted. That right there should be the punishment. And if the public doesn't choose to evict them, then that's just the nature of the game. I'd like to give Big Brother a warning tbh, stop trying to manipulate how the housemates act.

Well said !!

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

Agreed. Seriously. With all these "warnings" over the slightest little thing, Big Brother is essentially manipulating how the housemates act.

I would like to agree with your statement as a whole. However, C5 cannot be seen to be condoning behaviour that is going to get a whole lot of complaints made to OFCOM. It's a worm's nest.