[Ammi]

..I hope that humanity prevails and she doesn't get the death sentence..it's totally barbaric and as outrageous as some of the other punishments handed out by certain countries....

Cases could include incidents where a Briton was "sentenced to 30 lashes because they are gay - or a sentence for driving a car because you are a woman".

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This wretched drug smuggler has now lost a case to get our government to fund an appeal, which she can not afford


See here

This is excellent news as it means she will be unable to appeal and now will definitely be executed as an example to others

A triumph for justice, especially of those who are victims of drug fuelled crime

Except no one has be Executed for many years.
Infact they are think of getting rid of it now.

Ref: Ch4News , SkyNewsHD , Ch5News

[Apple202]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This wretched drug smuggler has now lost a case to get our government to fund an appeal, which she can not afford


See here

This is excellent news as it means she will be unable to appeal and now will definitely be executed as an example to others

A triumph for justice, especially of those who are victims of drug fuelled crime

oh dear oh dear oh dear

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This wretched drug smuggler has now lost a case to get our government to fund an appeal, which she can not afford


See here

This is excellent news as it means she will be unable to appeal and now will definitely be executed as an example to others

A triumph for justice, especially of those who are victims of drug fuelled crime

Originally Posted by Sticks

This wretched drug smuggler has now lost a case to get our government to fund an appeal, which she can not afford


See here

This is excellent news as it means she will be unable to appeal and now will definitely be executed as an example to others

A triumph for justice, especially of those who are victims of drug fuelled crime

I fully agree. I love it when when people are murdered, and it's a damn shame there isn't more of it.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I fully agree. I love it when when people are murdered, and it's a damn shame there isn't more of it.

I think they should televise it. Let's all sit around and watch this nasty woman get her comeuppance. Actually, ***** it, let's have a Bank Holiday to celebrate it as well. Get the party poppers out and throw a nationwide banquet. I'm sure Sky News will have a field day in covering the fun and frolics of this wonderful day.

[Me. I Am Salman]

sad news.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Salman!

sad news.

Only for evil drug smuggling scum!

Good news for those who have been victims of drug related crimes, like the pensioner mugged and beaten up for her meagre pension so some junkie can get another fix.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Only for evil drug smuggling scum!

Good news for those who have been victims of drug related crimes, like the pensioner mugged and beaten up for her meagre pension so some junkie can get another fix.

What about all the alcohol-related crimes and does this not apply to the countless amount of domestic abuse cases, for instance, that have been alcohol-fueled? Or drink driving?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Redway

What about all the alcohol-related crimes and does this not apply to the countless amount of domestic abuse cases, for instance, that have been alcohol-fueled? Or drink driving?

Very good point Redway,so much damage and destruction done by alcohol related crimes,and Yes this lady did wrong,but death? really is too extreme.

[Slevin]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Very good point Redway,so much damage and destruction done by alcohol related crimes,and Yes this lady did wrong,but death? really is too extreme.

i agree. she deserves punishment but not death. cant believe someone is jumping for joy over this. f'ing disgusting.

[InOne]

I guess the moral of the story is don't attempt to smuggle drugs.

[Sticks]

And I was at a council meeting on Monday where we had police officers detailing how they place objections to establishments trying to sell liquor.

The fundamental difference is that liquor is currently legal, drugs are not! In some countries liquor is just as outlawed.

For the record I am teetotal

[Jack_]

This must be one of the most disgusting cases of injustice that I have ever seen. And effectively cheering and getting excited at a woman's impending execution is perhaps the most disturbing thing I have ever seen on this forum. There are no words.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Very good point Redway,so much damage and destruction done by alcohol related crimes,and Yes this lady did wrong,but death? really is too extreme.

Thank you .

Originally Posted by Sticks

And I was at a council meeting on Monday where we had police officers detailing how they place objections to establishments trying to sell liquor.

The fundamental difference is that liquor is currently legal, drugs are not! In some countries liquor is just as outlawed.

For the record I am teetotal

So the fact that alcohol's legal renders it totally harmless and safe to use, does it? I think you'll find that alcohol is in the top 5 of most harmful drugs - legal or illegal - and the status of all these other substances absolutely does not mean that they should have that status and you're coming across as quite ignorant on this issue with your wacky, dodgy and quite frankly sickening views on drugs.

Bottom is alcohol does cause more damage than a lot of other substances and whether it's legal or illegal is completely irrelevant and bares no relevance to this at all. At all. You can spin it all you like but it's the truth.

I'm not denying that cocaine's a very harmful substance - and not condoning this lady's behaviour - but locking someone up for life is harsh enough. Killing someone over it takes the piss and it's retarded and I'm not sure which is more worrying - the rules or the fact that someone is actually eager for someone to die.

[Jack_]

Has the thought ever crossed your mind Sticks, that perhaps we should focus on and begin to try and investigate and understand why such crimes happen in the first place? Why people turn to drugs and drug-related crime? Instead of all this reactionary 'hang the bastard! chop his balls off!!!! die *****!!!!!!!!' nonsense that doesn't actually discover the true causes of such crime. Just an idea.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Has the thought ever crossed your mind Sticks, that perhaps we should focus on and begin to try and investigate and understand why such crimes happen in the first place? Why people turn to drugs and drug-related crime? Instead of all this reactionary 'hang the bastard! chop his balls off!!!! die *****!!!!!!!!' nonsense that doesn't actually discover the true causes of such crime. Just an idea.

Agree with this. A lady smuggling millions of pounds' worth of cocaine is an extreme case but normally there are underlying reasons that drive them to it and these people who are so in favour of the barbaric current drugs laws seldom consider the fact there are emotional issues and misfortunate events, etc, that could have driven them to take the drug in the first place. It's just like why people turn to alcohol in a lot of cases ... only with illegal substances and a lot of people sadly tend to think illegal = worthy of imprisonment and would rather these people are kept in cages rather than given the help they need (if they want it).

It's ridiculous.

[Sticks]

When I was at university we heard the sad case of a 12 year old who died after taking one ecstasy tablet.

Drugs are not harmless

Those who gave that girl the tablet should have been done for murder

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Sticks

When I was at university we heard the sad case of a 12 year old who died after taking one ecstasy tablet.

No doubt contaminated as a result of the prohibition that you support. To the best of my knowledge pure MDMA has not killed anybody who has not been foolish to overdose, dehydrate or overhydrate themselves.

I notice you ignored my last post. I'd like a response to all of it.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Stu

No doubt contaminated as a result of the prohibition that you support. To the best of my knowledge pure MDMA has not killed anybody who has not been foolish to overdose, dehydrate or overhydrate themselves.

I notice you ignored my last post. I'd like a response to all of it.

If I recall it was a pure ecstasy tablet, although deliberate contamination is another point against drug use.

These compounds are banned for good medical reasons, even cannabis will cause long term health problems to users (See here). As to Alcohol and tobacco, those compounds, none of which I indulge in, were effectively grandfathered in, and if they were introduced today it is likely, with tobacco at least, they would be treated the same as illegal narcotics

As to your question, which is a few pages back, which one took as rhetorical, that is not an option while we remain a member of the European Union, so would be pointless to consider that measure to deter and make an example of those who persist in this evil trade.

This execution, when it goes ahead will be a warning to all on the periphery of this evil trade that this is how seriously we take this menace.

[Ammi]

..Londsay Sandiford is a victim in this as well..the lives of her children were threatened, Julian Ponder, who was said to be the 'mastermind' was sentenced to 6 years imprisonment and the recommended sentence for her was 15 years..the judge gave the death penalty because he didn't want Bali's tourist image damaged..that was the reason he gave...it had nothing to do with concern for these drugs on the street...

..to execute her will achieve nothing as there will also be another 'victim' like her and is barbaric in the extreme..a 15 year term in a Bali prison, is sufficient to 'teach' anyone a lesson, Lindsay herself and anyone else in the future...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..Londsay Sandiford is a victim in this as well..the lives of her children were threatened, Julian Ponder, who was said to be the 'mastermind' was sentenced to 6 years imprisonment and the recommended sentence for her was 15 years..the judge gave the death penalty because he didn't want Bali's tourist image damaged..that was the reason he gave...it had nothing to do with concern for these drugs on the street...

..to execute her will achieve nothing as there will also be another 'victim' like her and is barbaric in the extreme..a 15 year term in a Bali prison, is sufficient to 'teach' anyone a lesson, Lindsay herself and anyone else in the future...

They Wont

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..Londsay Sandiford is a victim in this as well..the lives of her children were threatened, Julian Ponder, who was said to be the 'mastermind' was sentenced to 6 years imprisonment and the recommended sentence for her was 15 years..the judge gave the death penalty because he didn't want Bali's tourist image damaged..that was the reason he gave...it had nothing to do with concern for these drugs on the street...

..to execute her will achieve nothing as there will also be another 'victim' like her and is barbaric in the extreme..a 15 year term in a Bali prison, is sufficient to 'teach' anyone a lesson, Lindsay herself and anyone else in the future...

Well said, yes I agree the execution of this mother is a purely politically motivated event. She is being sacrificed on the altar of political correctness and good tourist ratings. The punishment in this instance far exceeds the crime and should not be tolerated by any modern just society..!!!

I'm pretty sure she will get this sentence commuted to a prison sentence but the original death sentence should never have been passed...!!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Sticks

These compounds are banned for good medical reasons

No, they are not. They were banned for poor medical reasoning and out of a knee jerk reaction to fresh experiences of the mind that were misunderstood or wrongly perceived to be horrifying. They continue to remain illegal because it has built up in to a sturdy zeitgeist that no politician want to step out from the shadows to break. Politicians are typically weak people.

If medical reasoning mattered at all then the American government would have listened to Judge Francis Young - a DEA man - in 1988 when he declared Cannabis to be one of the safest therapeutic substances known to man.

If medical reasoning mattered the British government would have listened to Professor David Nutt - the then chair of the governments own Advisory Committee on Misuse of Drugs - when he declared Ecstasy to be safer than hose riding and when he repeatedly called for a relaxing of soft drug laws. Cannabis is currently ranked to be of equal danger to base amphetamines in British drug legislation. That is not scientific. That's science and policy on it's knees in the mud.

If medical reasoning mattered Professor Nutt would not have been unceremoniously sacked from his position. Governments would take their scientific advice first hand from unbiased scientific bodies when dictating drug laws and not from pressure groups with vested interests because the woman outside with the placard had a son who knocked back too many pills on top of a crate of alcohol and went sick then dead.

Medical reasoning does not matter.

Originally Posted by Sticks

even cannabis will cause long term health problems to users

Why are you using the word 'will'? Chances are Cannabis won't cause you long term health problems at all. Are you being facetious for the sake of it because you personally don't like an altered mind and prefer to stay in and check out a good old execution instead?

I have talked at length on this forum for a number of years now about the emerging trend of demonizing the mental state of Cannabis intoxication and it's purported effects on mental health. I was engaged in debate on topics like the ratio of cannabinoids in the make up of the plant years before the papers caught up with it [some still haven't].

The practical invention and mystical attributes given to "skunk weed" have created this weird sort of fantasy land for journalists who now have carte blanche to hanker back to the days of Reefer Madness and talk about smoking pot as if it's a trip down the rabbit hole with undertones of demonic possession.

Some are only coming around to and respecting the fact now that these mental health effects are not only blown out of proportion but are symptoms of the illegal environment the plant inhabits. It's not the strength per say of Cannabis that is sometimes dangerous but the exact chemical make up of the plant. It's easier to just say it's stronger and scarier than ever, I know.

The trend towards indoor grows where Cannabis is cultivated guerrilla style hard and fast in an ultra artificial environment by crime gangs who don't respect the product has resulted in THC enriched Cannabis that has all but had the CBD bred out of it. CBD is Cannabidiol. It's the true magic of Cannabis that is only coming to light in recent times.

Cannabidiol and other Cannabinoids like it in the Cannabis plant [if you ever want to flex your keyboard fingers in a improvisational groove band feel free to use that as a name, man] play a huge, very important role in mediating the effects of THC [tetrahydrocannabinol, the stuff that gets you groovy]. They round out the intoxication of Cannabis, infuse it with it's medical properties and protect against THC giving the brain too much of a kicking.

Cannabidiol is an anti psychotic, anti anxiety agent. It has all but been bred out of most commercial strains of the ganj because of the illegal marketplace it exists in. Because of the zeitgeist of cowardice and anti science that you support.

So it's not just a question of strength. I'm regularly getting great hash that is far stronger than most of the mass market variations of haze and cheese that are smoking up the marketplace on this side of the pond but it's infinitely relaxing.

So in essence this mental health scare is an overreaction to a market trend created and preserved by Cannabis's illegality in the first place. And that is without me even going into sprayed and contaminated Cannabis.

Originally Posted by Sticks

As to your question, which is a few pages back, which one took as rhetorical, that is not an option while we remain a member of the European Union, so would be pointless to consider that measure to deter and make an example of those who persist in this evil trade.

Of course it wasn't rhetorical. I was pretty passionate in my insistence that you grace me with an answer regardless of the hypothetical nature of it. You could be brave and just do that.

One would assume you would support a similar system of judicial catastrophe on British shores. I would like to know as an honest, up front recreational drug user who has had drugs in his back pocket before where I would stand and what punishment would befit me had I ever been caught.

Heck I grew three plants on my windowsill once. Surely I should be eligible for a Sunday matinee execution to brighten your day up?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Stu

No, they are not. They were banned for poor medical reasoning and out of a knee jerk reaction to fresh experiences of the mind that were misunderstood or wrongly perceived to be horrifying. They continue to remain illegal because it has built up in to a sturdy zeitgeist that no politician want to step out from the shadows to break. Politicians are typically weak people.

If medical reasoning mattered at all then the American government would have listened to Judge Francis Young - a DEA man - in 1988 when he declared Cannabis to be one of the safest therapeutic substances known to man.

If medical reasoning mattered the British government would have listened to Professor David Nutt - the then chair of the governments own Advisory Committee on Misuse of Drugs - when he declared Ecstasy to be safer than hose riding and when he repeatedly called for a relaxing of soft drug laws. Cannabis is currently ranked to be of equal danger to base amphetamines in British drug legislation. That is not scientific. That's science and policy on it's knees in the mud.

If medical reasoning mattered Professor Nutt would not have been unceremoniously sacked from his position. Governments would take their scientific advice first hand from unbiased scientific bodies when dictating drug laws and not from pressure groups with vested interests because the woman outside with the placard had a son who knocked back too many pills on top of a crate of alcohol and went sick then dead.

Medical reasoning does not matter.


Why are you using the word 'will'? Chances are Cannabis won't cause you long term health problems at all. Are you being facetious for the sake of it because you personally don't like an altered mind and prefer to stay in and check out a good old execution instead?

I have talked at length on this forum for a number of years now about the emerging trend of demonizing the mental state of Cannabis intoxication and it's purported effects on mental health. I was engaged in debate on topics like the ratio of cannabinoids in the make up of the plant years before the papers caught up with it [some still haven't].

The practical invention and mystical attributes given to "skunk weed" have created this weird sort of fantasy land for journalists who now have carte blanche to hanker back to the days of Reefer Madness and talk about smoking pot as if it's a trip down the rabbit hole with undertones of demonic possession.

Some are only coming around to and respecting the fact now that these mental health effects are not only blown out of proportion but are symptoms of the illegal environment the plant inhabits. It's not the strength per say of Cannabis that is sometimes dangerous but the exact chemical make up of the plant. It's easier to just say it's stronger and scarier than ever, I know.

The trend towards indoor grows where Cannabis is cultivated guerrilla style hard and fast in an ultra artificial environment by crime gangs who don't respect the product has resulted in THC enriched Cannabis that has all but had the CBD bred out of it. CBD is Cannabidiol. It's the true magic of Cannabis that is only coming to light in recent times.

Cannabidiol and other Cannabinoids like it in the Cannabis plant [if you ever want to flex your keyboard fingers in a improvisational groove band feel free to use that as a name, man] play a huge, very important role in mediating the effects of THC [tetrahydrocannabinol, the stuff that gets you groovy]. They round out the intoxication of Cannabis, infuse it with it's medical properties and protect against THC giving the brain too much of a kicking.

Cannabidiol is an anti psychotic, anti anxiety agent. It has all but been bred out of most commercial strains of the ganj because of the illegal marketplace it exists in. Because of the zeitgeist of cowardice and anti science that you support.

So it's not just a question of strength. I'm regularly getting great hash that is far stronger than most of the mass market variations of haze and cheese that are smoking up the marketplace on this side of the pond but it's infinitely relaxing.

So in essence this mental health scare is an overreaction to a market trend created and preserved by Cannabis's illegality in the first place. And that is without me even going into sprayed and contaminated Cannabis.


Of course it wasn't rhetorical. I was pretty passionate in my insistence that you grace me with an answer regardless of the hypothetical nature of it. You could be brave and just do that.

One would assume you would support a similar system of judicial catastrophe on British shores. I would like to know as an honest, up front recreational drug user who has had drugs in his back pocket before where I would stand and what punishment would befit me had I ever been caught.

Heck I grew three plants on my windowsill once. Surely I should be eligible for a Sunday matinee execution to brighten your day up?

Really impressed with your post above Stu. It contains in my view anyway some very relevant points.
I do agree with your view and analysis as to cannabis,I have never taken it myself but have come across its better qualities too,as to pain relief and it is also considered a rather neutral drug as to major organs of the body too.
I would certainly support it being de-criminalised.
I do want to express that you made a very deep and interesting post to read though, from start to finish.

As to this Woman, I really hope she does not face the death penalty and I also don't think she will.
I feel as sure as I can that there will be some mercy shown and that she wil end up serving a long prison sentence which will be far from pleasant at all over there.
I do hope though it is another lesson as to how these nations will come down heavily on someone who gets involved in any smuggling attempts of drugs in their country.

Here at home in the UK though, even groups of MPs are calling for certain drugs to be de-criminalised and the whole drugs issue to be looked at again.
I also believe that day will come too and so it should.