[Livia]

Originally Posted by Omah

His previous wife, Kay, divorced him for unreasonable behaviour but had to sell their home as part of the divorce settlement, probably as a result of a pre-nuptial agreement .....

Honestly... I wasted my time at uni. I could have just come on here and picked it up from all you barrack-room lawyers. You've all taken a couple of photographs and made a whole epic fantasy tale out of them.

It's not like he had his hands round her throat and his knee on her chest, is it. They're at a pavement table at a restaurant, surrounded by people, and I wouldn't say she looks particularly distressed. These photos would not help her in a divorce case.

His previous divorce has nothing to do with this, and for the record, around 1 in 5 divorces cite "unreasonable behaviour" so it's not like his case was unique.

And that's all from me. I think this story had had enough publicity.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Honestly... I wasted my time at uni. I could have just come on here and picked it up from all you barrack-room lawyers. You've all taken a couple of photographs and made a whole epic fantasy tale out of them.

It's not like he had his hands round her throat and his knee on her chest, is it. They're at a pavement table at a restaurant, surrounded by people, and I wouldn't say she looks particularly distressed. These photos would not help her in a divorce case.

His previous divorce has nothing to do with this, and for the record, around 1 in 5 divorces cite "unreasonable behaviour" so it's not like his case was unique.

And that's all from me. I think this story had had enough publicity.

No need to get all high and mighty just because you've had some legal training.

The points I raised in my last post are perfectly reasonable and other posters agree also that his behaviour however intended does not show him in a good light.......Nuff said !!!!!!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

No need to get all high and mighty just because you've had some legal training.

The points I raised in my last post are perfectly reasonable and other posters agree also that his behaviour however intended does not show him in a good light.......Nuff said !!!!!!

"Some legal training"? I have a first class honours degree from Cambridge.

I'm not getting all and and mighty. If you want to talk about legal issues, don't get all defensive when I tell you that you're wrong. If we stumble into your area of expertise, I'll be happy to be guided by you.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

"Some legal training"? I have a first class honours degree from Cambridge.

I'm not getting all and and mighty. If you want to talk about legal issues, don't get all defensive when I tell you that you're wrong. If we stumble into your area of expertise, I'll be happy to be guided by you.

I thought you went to Oxford?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

Honestly... I wasted my time at uni. I could have just come on here and picked it up from all you barrack-room lawyers. You've all taken a couple of photographs and made a whole epic fantasy tale out of them.

It's not like he had his hands round her throat and his knee on her chest, is it. They're at a pavement table at a restaurant, surrounded by people, and I wouldn't say she looks particularly distressed. These photos would not help her in a divorce case.

His previous divorce has nothing to do with this, and for the record, around 1 in 5 divorces cite "unreasonable behaviour" so it's not like his case was unique.

And that's all from me. I think this story had had enough publicity.

OK .....

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

"Some legal training"? I have a first class honours degree from Cambridge.

I'm not getting all and and mighty. If you want to talk about legal issues, don't get all defensive when I tell you that you're wrong. If we stumble into your area of expertise, I'll be happy to be guided by you.

OK.......so you have good legal credentials, but I am not really concerned with the legalities of what constitutes evidence in a divorce case, I like thousands of other people see those pictures and think this man is grabbing his wife by the throat.....It may be playful or serious BUT its in public and now everyone has seen this.So the perception of this man is now that he has no respect for his wife...!!! grabbing her throat in Public (or private) is very disrespectful.

Irrespective of any potential divorce this episode does not show him in a good light.

Please don't make me say this again in another post as I've already said this 3 times..........!!!!!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I thought you went to Oxford?

I've been to Oxford... but I studied at Cambridge LOL...

[Omah]

Suzanne Moore

guardian.co.uk, Monday 17 June 2013 15.14 BST

Was there a woman who saw those awful pictures of Nigella Lawson who didn't think "If he does this in public what does he do behind closed doors?" Not one that I have spoken to since they appeared. Some have said there is an issue about whether they should have appeared at all as they were in a private place. Actually Lawson and her husband, Charles Saatchi, were sitting in a courtyard outside an expensive restaurant in Mayfair where paparazzi always lurk. The pictures could have been taken by anyone with a mobile phone. No one appears to have intervened despite fellow diners eager to report Lawson's obvious distress. If a man had his hands round the throat of another man during a meal would the waiters have carried on as normal?
What is going on here? The police are now looking into the incident though Lawson has not reported it to them. The Community Safety Unit is making inquiries: it deals with hate crime and domestic violence. And we mustn't fall into the trap of using "domestic violence" to imply a kind of cosier or lesser violence. Of course there are cases of women abusing men but this looks like common or garden violence against women. It is indeed frighteningly common. A few months ago we saw pictures of Saatchi clamping his hand over her mouth apparently to shut her up.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've been to Oxford... but I studied at Cambridge LOL...

Still here .....

Well, I've been to Oxford, too ..... and I did some research at Cambridge just last week .....

[Omah]

http://news.sky.com/story/1104943/sa...nigella-lawson

Advertising guru Charles Saatchi has been cautioned by police for assaulting his wife Nigella Lawson at a restaurant.

The 70-year-old voluntarily attended a central London police station and accepted the caution after photographs emerged showing his hand around Lawson's neck.

Good .....

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://news.sky.com/story/1104943/sa...nigella-lawson



Good .....

Oh I heard this also, seems like I'm not alone in thinking what this man did was well out of order , looks now like it was not innocent role playing but a calculated physical assault on a defenceless woman.

Stupid cowardly man, she should start divorce proceedings immediately...!!!

[arista]

American News is Shocked

[Cherie]

A playful tiff? okay.

[joeysteele]

I see nothing remotely decent as to a man having his hand/s at a woman's throat,especially when it would seem clear there was some disagreement at best going on between them in public.

I am glad he has been cautioned and if Nigella had any sense she would get away from him in my view.
It is these so called playful things happening that often lead to far worse,I am aware that Nigella can likely stand up for herself but you don't leave your home for any period with your youngest son following a playful tiff.

[Kazanne]

Apparently Nigella is no longer living in the marital home Joey,so hopefully she is safe.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Apparently Nigella is no longer living in the marital home Joey,so hopefully she is safe.

That's good, I really like Nigella. She deserves better than this.

[Cherie]

Humiliating and upsetting your partner in public could never by any stretch of the imagination be considered "playful"!.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Humiliating and upsetting your partner in public could never by any stretch of the imagination be considered "playful"!.

I 100% agree Cherie.

[Z]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I see nothing remotely decent as to a man having his hand/s at a woman's throat,especially when it would seem clear there was some disagreement at best going on between them in public.

I am glad he has been cautioned and if Nigella had any sense she would get away from him in my view.
It is these so called playful things happening that often lead to far worse,I am aware that Nigella can likely stand up for herself but you don't leave your home for any period with your youngest son following a playful tiff.

I agree. I don't think the photos are anywhere near as serious as the papers drummed them up to be but what they do show is an unhealthy relationship so I'm glad she's moved out of their marital home. Even if he was just being unusually condescending in trying to get her to stop speaking, I still think that's wildly inappropriate and at least she has the courage to not stand for that and has moved out. I know I would be fuming if someone I was dating put their hands round my neck or over my mouth, ESPECIALLY in public, how humiliating...!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zee

I agree. I don't think the photos are anywhere near as serious as the papers drummed them up to be but what they do show is an unhealthy relationship so I'm glad she's moved out of their marital home. Even if he was just being unusually condescending in trying to get her to stop speaking, I still think that's wildly inappropriate and at least she has the courage to not stand for that and has moved out. I know I would be fuming if someone I was dating put their hands round my neck or over my mouth, ESPECIALLY in public, how humiliating...!

Absolutely, anyone doing that to me would not get the chance to do so again.
I'd be off,away from them completely, it shows no decency or respect whatsoever.

[Z]

I have no respect for people who resort to physical violence in a romantic relationship as a way of dealing with problems; and while it may not have come to blows, I think he has no respect for her as a person if he's placing his hands over her mouth or round her neck, and that lack of respect in a relationship is in my opinion why domestic violence occurs. If he truly respected her as a person and as his partner, he wouldn't have placed his hands on her in that way, in my opinion.

[Livia]

Charles Saachi voluntarily walked into a police station, presumably to cut short this trial by media, where the only people who profit are the paps and the lawyers. Everyone wringing their hands about poor Nigella should bear in mind that this happened over a week ago, and no complaint was made by Nigella herself. So it looks like some people are far more upset than Nigella herself was.

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=Livia;6077213]Charles Saachi voluntarily walked into a police station, presumably to cut short this trial by media, where the only people who profit are the paps and the lawyers. Everyone wringing their hands about poor Nigella should bear in mind that this happened over a week ago, and no complaint was made by Nigella herself. So it looks like some people are far more upset than Nigella herself was.[/QUOTE]

Many victims of abuse are very slow to report their partners, mainly because they have been conditioned to believe they are at fault for their partners behaviour. Nigella has moved out that is far more telling than reporting him, he is after all a seriously rich man who can employ top lawyers to defend himself. He has attended a police station presumably on the advice of his lawyers to minimise the damage to his public persona, nothing more.

[Livia]

[QUOTE=Cherie;6077217]

Originally Posted by Livia

Charles Saachi voluntarily walked into a police station, presumably to cut short this trial by media, where the only people who profit are the paps and the lawyers. Everyone wringing their hands about poor Nigella should bear in mind that this happened over a week ago, and no complaint was made by Nigella herself. So it looks like some people are far more upset than Nigella herself was.[/QUOTE]

Many victims of abuse are very slow to report their partners, mainly because they have been conditioned to believe they are at fault for their partners behaviour. Nigella has moved out that is far more telling than reporting him, he is after all a seriously rich man who can employ top lawyers to defend himself. He has attended a police station presumably on the advice of his lawyers to minimise the damage to his public persona, nothing more.

So your assumption is that Nigella has been conditioned by long-term abuse, again with absolutely no proof apart from your imagination. Nigella's not exactly a pauper herself, you know, and I'm sure could afford a pretty good lawyer. And yes, Saachi may well have been advised to take himself to the police. However, I have highlighted the operative word in your last sentence.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Charles Saachi voluntarily walked into a police station, presumably to cut short this trial by media, where the only people who profit are the paps and the lawyers. Everyone wringing their hands about poor Nigella should bear in mind that this happened over a week ago, and no complaint was made by Nigella herself. So it looks like some people are far more upset than Nigella herself was.

I have highlighted yours as well, of course it is all speculation, but I can understand why she might not have reported him.