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Verbal · 20-10-2013, 10:19 AM

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Mick Jagger - Arrested for assault.
Lil Kim - Arrested for possessing marijuana.
Eminem - Charged with assault and having a concealed weapon.
Paul Mccartney - Arrested in Japan with 8oz of marijuana in his suitcase.
James Brown - Did 3 years for theft when he was a teenager.
John Lennon - Possession of marijuana.
Steven Tyler - Possession of marijuana.
Whitney Houston - Possession of marijuana.
George Michael, 50 Cent, Tupak, the list goes on..

Of course, the moralising, hand-wringing brigade never bought any of these artists records or judged them in any way. Oh no.

Not a single one of them was basically begging for a career on national TV every week. They are/were actual artists. People on Xfactor are not.

Verbal · 20-10-2013, 10:21 AM

Every one of the ones you've listed have also been demonised in the papers in their time because of what they have done. This woman is just current. Stupid argument.

MrWong · 20-10-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbal

Not a single one of them was basically begging for a career on national TV every week. They are/were actual artists. People on Xfactor are not.

Oh that's ok then. They were famous, she isn't.

Verbal · 20-10-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MrWong

Oh that's ok then. They were famous, she isn't.

She is current, she is on TV every week. The show she is on has internet forums dedicated to it. People are going to discuss the people on that show. Not everybody is going to agree. Not everybody is going to like what other people say.

Sign of the times.

MrWong · 20-10-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbal

She is current, she is on TV every week. The show she is on has internet forums dedicated to it. People are going to discuss the people on that show. Not everybody is going to agree. Not everybody is going to like what other people say.

Sign of the times.

Who gives a ****? You choose to justify the others crimes because they were famous.

Most of the artists I listed were at the height of their fame. On TV. I'm struggling to see your point.

AnnieK · 20-10-2013, 10:29 AM

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Oh that's ok then. They were famous, she isn't.

No she is, as those artists were, in the public eye and will be judged whether you like it or not. The fact that 3 separate things have now come to light muddies her reputation even more. Can't do the time (in this case bad press and judgements) dont do the crime, simple really.

MrWong · 20-10-2013, 10:35 AM

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No she is, as those artists were, in the public eye and will be judged whether you like it or not. The fact that 3 separate things have now come to light muddies her reputation even more. Can't do the time (in this case bad press and judgements) dont do the crime, simple really.

Thankfully a 'muddy reputation' didn't hinder the careers of the artists I mentioned.

I put that down to the hand-wringers being big fat hypocrites.

Samm · 20-10-2013, 10:51 AM

don't try and argue with him Wong he does not like anything.

Verbal · 20-10-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SamP

don't try and argue with him Wong he does not like anything.

Morning Sam!

Samm · 20-10-2013, 10:54 AM

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Morning Sam!

Glenn. · 20-10-2013, 10:57 AM

Think we should just leave if now. Looks to me like there's a tad bit of trolling going on.

Verbal · 20-10-2013, 11:03 AM

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Think we should just leave if now. Looks to me like there's a tad bit of trolling going on.

Completely agree, Glenn

Ammi · 20-10-2013, 11:05 AM

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OKAY JACK FINE! I stole some penny sweets from Woolworths when I was a kid.

THERE! ARE YOU HAPPY NOW

...that depends whether you're intending to audition for XFactor....

..seriously, it's the first time I've read this thread..there were some 'Boots' comments in the show's thread last night and I didn't understand them, but now I do...anyway, I don't condone what she's done but it has no bearing on her..(what I feel is extremely good..) talent ...for me, whatever her 'problems' may have been and for what she's done, then it makes me in a way more supportive of her in the show because it will change her life so much...

Ninastar · 20-10-2013, 11:05 AM

I agree with Verbal. she should be seen as a thief and nothing more.

Jack_ · 20-10-2013, 01:21 PM

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I agree with Verbal. she should be seen as a thief and nothing more.

But you do realise that labelling someone as a criminal and wanting to hold it against their name for the rest of their life actually has more detrimental consequences than if you let them face the punishment for what they did and then let them start with a clean slate? What you're suggesting would mean she's chastised for the rest of her life, struggles to find a job and would inevitably return to shoplifting to fend for herself. If you don't give criminals a fresh start once they've served their punishment, and wish to label them forever, they will end up returning to a life of crime since that's the only thing they're ever going to be seen as.

Ninastar · 20-10-2013, 01:40 PM

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But you do realise that labelling someone as a criminal and wanting to hold it against their name for the rest of their life actually has more detrimental consequences than if you let them face the punishment for what they did and then let them start with a clean slate? What you're suggesting would mean she's chastised for the rest of her life, struggles to find a job and would inevitably return to shoplifting to fend for herself. If you don't give criminals a fresh start once they've served their punishment, and wish to label them forever, they will end up returning to a life of crime since that's the only thing they're ever going to be seen as.

If you read what I later posted, I said that I believe that being a thief makes her a bad person now. Maybe she will become a better person in the future, but as of right now, she is nothing more than a thief in my eyes.

Verbal · 20-10-2013, 01:41 PM

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But you do realise that labelling someone as a criminal and wanting to hold it against their name for the rest of their life actually has more detrimental consequences than if you let them face the punishment for what they did and then let them start with a clean slate? What you're suggesting would mean she's chastised for the rest of her life, struggles to find a job and would inevitably return to shoplifting to fend for herself. If you don't give criminals a fresh start once they've served their punishment, and wish to label them forever, they will end up returning to a life of crime since that's the only thing they're ever going to be seen as.

I said that she should be kicked out of the show not labelled for life. Nobody with a criminal record should be allowed on these things in the first place.

Ninastar · 20-10-2013, 01:42 PM

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I said that she should be kicked out of the show not labelled for life. Nobody with a criminal record should be allowed on these things in the first place.

i agree with this

Glenn. · 20-10-2013, 02:02 PM

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I said that she should be kicked out of the show not labelled for life. Nobody with a criminal record should be allowed on these things in the first place.

That's completely ridiculous.

She only has a caution

Verbal · 20-10-2013, 02:07 PM

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That's completely ridiculous.

She only has a caution

Its quite clear, as is evident in this thread that it is giving young people the impression that its 'nothing'. She committed a crime, as a result of committing that crime she should have had to forfeit any right she had to engage in such a competition.
At least for a set amount of time.

icecakes · 21-10-2013, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Verbal

I said that she should be kicked out of the show not labelled for life. Nobody with a criminal record should be allowed on these things in the first place.

I agree verbal, rough copy should be kicked out as well

user104658 · 22-10-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbal

I said that she should be kicked out of the show not labelled for life. Nobody with a criminal record should be allowed on these things in the first place.

She doesn't have a criminal record, she wasn't prosecuted for the theft and I think was only cautioned for the "assault" (which, let's face it, sounds like little more than a teenage cat-fight).

Verbal · 22-10-2013, 09:10 AM

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She doesn't have a criminal record, she wasn't prosecuted for the theft and I think was only cautioned for the "assault" (which, let's face it, sounds like little more than a teenage cat-fight).

This has been unlocked?

Ok which one of the mods is sleeping with one of the catty crew aka Jordan, SamP & the other one that keeps leaving messages for me?

Benjamin · 20-10-2013, 11:05 AM

I've taken drugs, hit somebody (they deserved it) and I also shoplifted when I was a teenager (only once or twice). I don't do any of those things now and I can assure you I am not scum of the Earth. We should be basing this comp on their talent not their past (I'm pretty sure most of the acts will have something they are not proud of).

Verbal · 20-10-2013, 11:10 AM

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I've taken drugs, hit somebody (they deserved it) and I also shoplifted when I was a teenager (only once or twice). I don't do any of those things now and I can assure you I am not scum of the Earth. We should be basing this comp on their talent not their past (I'm pretty sure most of the acts will have something they are not proud of).

A lot of people on this thread seem to be taking that attitude. I wonder if they would be saying the same if one was done 3 years ago for mugging an old lady or punching a child in the face.

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