[starry]

The VTs are always stupid and biased for some over others. If I back anyone it will have to be about more than whether I agree with every belief they have. Most people's beliefs will be hidden anyway with the miniscule live feed and the inane twitter updates.

[Queen]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

so?

So it's ridiculous to say she's a bitch and should be out first just because she has an unpopular opinion. We haven't seen her impose her view on anybody else so I don't understand why people were so quick to attack her

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by Queen

So it's ridiculous to say she's a bitch and should be out first just because she has an unpopular opinion. We haven't seen her impose her view on anybody else so I don't understand why people were so quick to attack her

I agree and I'm not going to judge anyone based on their opinions if they are said in a nonaggression way , but Big Brother is all about judging people (fairly or unfairly) so I can't fault anyone who does so.

[Crimson Dynamo]

calling people homophobes and then being all self righteous is a bit of a young person internet hobby at the moment

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Queen

So it's ridiculous to say she's a bitch and should be out first just because she has an unpopular opinion. We haven't seen her impose her view on anybody else so I don't understand why people were so quick to attack her

Kind of agree with the fact that we are all entitalled to our opinions whether others like them or not,how dull would it be if we all had the same views,IF that is her view that's up to her and as you said she hasn't imposed that view yet,I see no reason to call her a bitch tbh.

[Turtle]

Danielle has an amazing bum.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm really not looking to get into the gay rights things, but to paraphrase CBB2 goddess Sue Perkins, my prejudice is against people who are prejudiced against me.

[Withano]

I'm Catholic, my family are catholic, I went to a catholic school so all my teachers and friends were catholic and literally none of them are homophobic. She has been brought up wrong and she is a terrible person.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm Catholic, my family are catholic, I went to a catholic school so all my teachers and friends were catholic and literally none of them are homophobic. She has been brought up wrong and she is a terrible person.

Are you saying that the Catholic religion agrees that homosexuality is ok and that its ok that they should get married?


Homosexuality is considered in Catholic Church teaching under two distinct aspects. Homosexuality as an orientation is considered an "objective disorder" because seen as "ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil", but not as sinful. Homosexuality as sexual activity is seen as a "moral disorder"and "homosexual acts" as "contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity."

The Catholic Church believes that marriage can only be between a man and a woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...an_Catholicism


So either you are lying or they are?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Are you saying that the Catholic religion agrees that homosexuality is ok and that its ok that they should get married?


Homosexuality is considered in Catholic Church teaching under two distinct aspects. Homosexuality as an orientation is considered an "objective disorder" because seen as "ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil", but not as sinful. Homosexuality as sexual activity is seen as a "moral disorder"and "homosexual acts" as "contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity."

The Catholic Church believes that marriage can only be between a man and a woman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...an_Catholicism


So either you are lying or they are?

You think I'm lying that I'm Catholic and also not a homophobe and neither are my family? Are you high? I understand that Catholicism is strictly against homosexuality, that's abundantly clear but another thing that is abundantly clear is that the book was written more than 2000 years ago and you'd have to be an immoral disgusting person to follow what that book has to say blindly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

You think I'm lying that I'm Catholic and also not a homophobe and neither are my family? Are you high? I understand that Catholicism is strictly against homosexuality, that's abundantly clear but another thing that is abundantly clear is that the book was written more than 2000 years ago and you'd have to be an immoral disgusting person to follow what that book has to say blindly.

Then you're not a practicing catholic, you just say that you are catholic

its not really the same

The doctrine is quite clear and its clear that you are not a catholic

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Then you're not a practicing catholic, you just say that you are catholic

its not really the same

The doctrine is quite clear and its clear that you are not a catholic

Well by this logic neither is Danielle as women are not allowed to preach therefore she has no excuse to be homophoic and shes just a ****. Terrible argument.

[user104658]

The obvious answer here is that what's being described are "cultural catholics"... People who have been raised Catholic and come from Catholic families and often Catholic school, but who don't actually follow the doctrines of the Catholic Church and only vaguely believe in God (if at all). My dad's side of the family is full of cultural Catholicism.

In truth, if someone is a Catholic who does not think that active homosexuality is sinful and who supports same sex marriage, then they are not a "Catholic" at all. The Bible is very much open to interpretation but, if a person does not agree with the Catholic church's interpretation, then they are by definition something else. They are someone who has created their very own little branch of vague Christianity, membership 1. Until some enterprising individual groups together all of these liberal ex-Catholics into one group United under one new Bible interpretation... And then we get (yet another) whole new church. Hooray!

Tl;Dr - I don't like organised religion (or Danielle)

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Queen

Did she 'choose' to be a a bigot? I don't think so
Obviously she has been taught that same sex marriage is wrong from a very early age

Yes.

She has chosen to have sex outside of marriage & I am 99.9% certain that she used contraception too, those are also forbidden by her religion, yet she turns a blind eye to those, as well as for generally being a slut by getting flabby bits out on webcams...

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Queen

Did she 'choose' to be a a bigot? I don't think so
Obviously she has been taught that same sex marriage is wrong from a very early age

Unless she's lived in a Nunnery all her life then it's clearly her choice. I hope you're not buying this good little girl Catholic act

[Queen]

Originally Posted by InOne

Unless she's lived in a Nunnery all her life then it's clearly her choice. I hope you're not buying this good little girl Catholic act

Not necessarily a nunnery.. just a conservative Catholic family

[Vanessa]

I hate he holier than thou attitude. She doesn't practices what she preaches, from what i saw on BOTS.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

CBB2 goddess Sue Perkins

finally, a goddess of yours i can get behind

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Withano

You think I'm lying that I'm Catholic and also not a homophobe and neither are my family? Are you high? I understand that Catholicism is strictly against homosexuality, that's abundantly clear but another thing that is abundantly clear is that the book was written more than 2000 years ago and you'd have to be an immoral disgusting person to follow what that book has to say blindly.

Obviously not. Plenty of catholics are much the same as you and your family.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/few...age-and-euthan

http://www.brin.ac.uk/figures/attitu...ds-gay-rights/

[Withano]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Obviously not. Plenty of catholics are much the same as you and your family.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/few...age-and-euthan

http://www.brin.ac.uk/figures/attitu...ds-gay-rights/

Thanks! It was probably the weirdest thing anybody has accused me of lying over

[letmein]

She's a bigot. There's no defending that. She's a horrendous person who has chosen to live a life full of hate. She can hide behind that Bible all she wants.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Queen

Did she 'choose' to be a a bigot? I don't think so

You're impossible.

[Heaven = Winner]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're here to judge her, it's what we do. It's a Big Brother forum and she's a housemate. It's just the way it is. She's entitled to her beliefs, but if she's going to voice them on Big Brother, I'm going to judge her on them.

Perfect.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're here to judge her, it's what we do. It's a Big Brother forum and she's a housemate. It's just the way it is. She's entitled to her beliefs, but if she's going to voice them on Big Brother, I'm going to judge her on them.

deffs

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

It's her opinion, and I believe she has every right to have her opinion but obviously given the nature of the show there is nothing wrong with judging her negatively because of it

There's nothing wrong about judging someone for being a bigot period. It has nothing to do with her being on the show.

Every bigot has their story as to how they became one. It's their choosing. You come of age and decide where you're going to go from there. If you walk around spouting homophobic garbage you're going to be chastised for it. If she can't take that, then it's time for her to either change her views or keep them to herself. Gays and lesbians get enough crap from society, and have so for centuries. We live in the 21st century. We're exposed to just about everything today. Unless she grew up living in a cave, she's been exposed to gay people. She can't claim ignorance. She's also an adult. In five years she'll be 30. Stop talking about her as if she were a little kid.

You're always going to find people on here playing the contrarian just for the sake of it, or you'll find people who just want to see the best in everyone. Sorry, a spade is a spade.

If she said something along the lines of black people shouldn't have the same rights as whites, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.