[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You seem to be arguing for the sake of it.

When were those 3 housemates labelled confrontational?
From what I remember Ife always stood her ground and could scream her head off but Rachel and Jo were more likeable, nice housemates.

Actually that's what you seem to be doing. And riddle me this, if Rachel and Jo were likable and nice why on earth where they evicted overwhelmingly against a bunch of deplorable HMs in a vote to evict?

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Google tells me Marcus BB10? I didn't really pay attention to much of that series as it was sh*te so I can't remember enough.

Most white housemates are called out. Just as Helen, Danielle, Tamara and Mark are currently being called out on their bitching. Hazel, Sallie, Sophie from last year. I could go on for pages.

Mark clearly isn't white and idk what Tamara and Sophie have been called out on.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'd say that has more to do with male v female acceptance of behaviour thing than colour???

Gender roles play hugely obviously, but there's been very, very few times a black girl survived an eviction.

[Roy Mars III]

blame casting for continuing to cast terrible black females

not the public's fault for the most part every black female has been totally unlikeable

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Actually that's what you seem to be doing. And riddle me this, if Rachel and Jo were likable and nice why on earth where they evicted overwhelmingly against a bunch of deplorable HMs in a vote to evict?

I don't remember why they were evicted. The series was four years ago.

We are discussing confrontational and aggressive housemates. What I do remember is that Rachel, Ife and Jo were not labelled those things and were not evicted for being bitches. We're talking about people who are labelled bitchy and aggressive not listing reasons as to why every black housemate on Big Brother was evicted.

Tamara is called out all over this forum for being bitchy, trying to start a showmance and Sophie was wallpaper for most of BB14 before the final few weeks when she was hated for sh*t stirring between Gina, Hazel and Charlie.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Not watched that for years, but she did well because she was NICE

Yeah, but nice or not, there aren't many who've done that. Most are flash in the pan.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, but nice or not, there aren't many who've done that. Most are flash in the pan.

Allison was great.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She was so entertaining though.

Omg yes Vanessa! Didn't know you liked Makosi! :amazed :

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Or the majority of the black girls they put in are of the argumentative/confrontational kind.

This is true tbh. Although Ife getting evicted with over 50% of votes in a 3-way eviction despite being invisible the whole series made me think twice about that theory

That's why I like the black girls though, they rarely ever fail to bring the drama

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

blame casting for continuing to cast terrible black females

not the public's fault for the most part every black female has been totally unlikeable

yes, the casual public had so many reasons to hate Melanie and Alison and Anouska and Vanessa and Rachael and Ife and Rachel and Jo and Heaven and the others give me a break

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't remember why they were evicted. The series was four years ago.

We are discussing confrontational and aggressive housemates. What I do remember is that Rachel, Ife and Jo were not labelled those things and were not evicted for being bitches. We're talking about people who are labelled bitchy and aggressive not listing reasons as to why every black housemate on Big Brother was evicted.

Tamara is called out all over this forum for being bitchy, trying to start a showmance and Sophie was wallpaper for most of BB14 before the final few weeks when she was hated for sh*t stirring between Gina, Hazel and Charlie.

Then I don't think you're at much liberty to discuss patterns of the voting public?

And no, we are discussing black girls and the casual racism of the voting public. You said that most of the black girls were confrontational land aggressive and I pointed out that a bunch weren't. You clearly ran out of anything substantial to say (surprise) and are trying to change the topic to confrontational and aggressive HMs but the real subject at hand is black girls.

Tamara's being called out for having the least potential out of the nominees and is getting some flak for being Helen's friend, that's it. And your revisionist history on Sophie is quite compelling fan fiction, I must say.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I don't think black girls get a bad rap in particular by the gp, it's women on a whole

there has definitely been a hint of racism with the crowd reactions in the past though. like hira getting booed upon entered the house

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

yes, the casual public had so many reasons to hate Melanie and Alison and Anouska and Vanessa and Rachael and Ife and Rachel and Jo and Heaven and the others give me a break

None of the women you named (besides Rachael) were likeable.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

None of the women you named (besides Rachael) were likeable.

newflash: the people they were nominated against weren't likable either

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

newflash: the people they were nominated against weren't likable either

don't remember every eviction, but I can guarantee that 80% of the time the other people were more likable than them.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Let's see you guarantee it then even though you can't remember like Marsh

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Let's see you guarantee it then even though you can't remember like Marsh

go look up the evictions and then I'll answer your question

[Macie Lightfoot]

Maybe you should look them up since your memory needs to be refreshed anyway.

[Marsh.]

Except Alison wasn't hated. You're equating eviction with hate.

Plenty housemates are evicted because they're evicted over who they're head to head with.

I don't remember daft minor details but I do remember Alison, Ife, Rachel, Jo weren't hated. They were just inoffensive and stifled by bigger characters in the house.

And now you're getting all pissy about my posts making little comments because you've took the thread off topic.

We WERE discussing why most black women on BB are labelled aggressive, NOT why each and every one of them were evicted.

You're now trying to say people like Melanie from BB1 was labelled aggressive and hated because she was black? Or was it because Mel was a mega-flirt and didn't endear herself to the public? I don't recall her being called aggressive.

[Marsh.]

Also, there is no revisionist history on Sophie.

This forum didn't like her at all in her sh*t stirring final 2 weeks and she was evicted instead of Gina of all people.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Omg yes Vanessa! Didn't know you liked Makosi! :amazed :

She was one of my favourites that year. I so wanted her to win!

[Northern Monkey]

Really?Do people think that about TIBBers?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Except Alison wasn't hated. You're equating eviction with hate.

Plenty housemates are evicted because they're evicted over who they're head to head with.

I don't remember daft minor details but I do remember Alison, Ife, Rachel, Jo weren't hated. They were just inoffensive and stifled by bigger characters in the house.

And now you're getting all pissy about my posts making little comments because you've took the thread off topic.

We WERE discussing why most black women on BB are labelled aggressive, NOT why each and every one of them were evicted.

You're now trying to say people like Melanie from BB1 was labelled aggressive and hated because she was black? Or was it because Mel was a mega-flirt and didn't endear herself to the public? I don't recall her being called aggressive.

Someone who's viewed inoffensive doesn't get destroyed in a vote to evict. Ife had 56.5% against two others, Rachel had 58.5% against two others (the vile John James and Dave at that), and Jo had 39.4% against three others. Rachel and Jo were against all white men too.

I didn't take the thread off topic at all. It's about black women and someone made the point that some people are quick to not like them. And now we're having this discussion.

Yes, Melanie was a mega flirt because she kissed two guys and was single. Meanwhile, Claire had a boyfriend of nine years and the public was pushing for her and Craig to become a thing.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Also, there is no revisionist history on Sophie.

This forum didn't like her at all in her sh*t stirring final 2 weeks and she was evicted instead of Gina of all people.

Maybe YOU didn't like Sophie because she "**** stirred," the forum couldn't give enough of a **** about her. It's complete revisionist history on your part.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Someone who's viewed inoffensive doesn't get destroyed in a vote to evict. Ife had 56.5% against two others, Rachel had 58.5% against two others (the vile John James and Dave at that), and Jo had 39.4% against three others. Rachel and Jo were against all white men too.

I didn't take the thread off topic at all. It's about black women and someone made the point that some people are quick to not like them. And now we're having this discussion.

Yes, Melanie was a mega flirt because she kissed two guys and was single. Meanwhile, Claire had a boyfriend of nine years and the public was pushing for her and Craig to become a thing.

1) Our original point was about why black housemates are labelled aggressive. The housemates you brought into discussion were not aggressive and were never labelled as such.

2) If you want to discuss why they were evicted then that's an entire separate discussion and probably requires rewatching a series. Simply saying "a black girl lost against 3 white people in a vote to evict therefore the British public are exerting casual racism" is simply not enough.

3) Were Claire and Mel treated differently? I'm afraid you're going to have to present something more substantial if you wish to use this as an example of racism. My memory is telling me Claire wasn't very popular either, was evicted before Mel.

Her eviction doesn't say much, she survived eviction against 3 other white housemates and then lost when she faced 2 of the most popular in the series - Darren and Craig. Craig going onto win it.

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Maybe YOU didn't like Sophie because she "**** stirred," the forum couldn't give enough of a **** about her. It's complete revisionist history on your part.

And how many episode discussions were you here for last year?

I know what discussions I took part in on this very forum. Please don't accuse me of making things up.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Additional instances of racism...

-Sylvia in VT: I'm a refugee from Sierra Leone who's been through a lot but I don't let it get me down
Audience: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

-Hira: I'm from Pakistan and have only been here for a year but life is so much better here and I can do so much more and I'm so grateful :tears: ^_^
Audience: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

-Shilpa STILL getting 18% of the vote to evict against Jade after an international racism affair LIKE WTF

[Marsh.]

Shilpa getting 18% in a vote to evict is racism?

I think we'll end the discussion there. Thanks for the discussion troy.

[Vicky.]

Closing this as its gone quite offtopic and is now just pretty much identical to the loads of other 'the public are racist' threads