[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

Just think for a minute then..

If what you say is true and they are trying to get Ashleigh evicted why not evict her last night?

Because they wanted Marlon out.

She was standing up along with Ash and Marlon, they weren't showing the noms on screen to the hm's or us then why not go one step further and say Ashleigh had received the most nomination from the housemates?

They can't be that bloody fraudulent can they!

I am trying to understand your reasoning for thinking they want Ashleigh out of the house tbh but you aren't giving any reason for it at all just the claim that the producers want that.

I can only make the obvious point that there are certain decisions that they obviously make with a particular end in mind. This week they chose to give the newbies this power. They didn't have to do that, but they did. And they knew what it would probably result in, as all of us do. There's one girl in there asking to leave and there's another girl in there Zoe's mate Dexter knows and hates and Bianca as well apparently.

What you seem to believe is that they don't think these twists through. When they obviously do.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Because they wanted Marlon out.



They can't be that bloody fraudulent can they!



I can only make the obvious point that there are certain decisions that they obviously make with a particular end in mind. This week they chose to give the newbies this power. They didn't have to do that, but they did. And they knew what it would probably result in, as all of us do. There's one girl in there asking to leave and there's another girl in there Zoe's mate Dexter knows and hates and Bianca as well apparently.

What you seem to believe is that they don't think these twists through. When they obviously do.

If they were so hell bent on getting Ashleigh out like you think though then Marlon wouldn't have been a priority for them.

I do believe that they think twists through, of course they do but I do not agree with you that they manipulate them to get the results they want.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Josy

Just think for a minute then..

If what you say is true and they are trying to get Ashleigh evicted why not evict her last night?

She was standing up along with Ash and Marlon, they weren't showing the noms on screen to the hm's or us then why not go one step further and say Ashleigh had received the most nomination from the housemates?

I am trying to understand your reasoning for thinking they want Ashleigh out of the house tbh but you aren't giving any reason for it at all just the claim that the producers want that.

They want to evict Ashleigh, that is the main event for Friday. Evicting Marlon was guinea pig test subject to soften the blow. The public have already got used to fact that a housemate can be evicted without their involvement. The backlash is not as mental.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Achilles

They want to evict Ashleigh, that is the main event for Friday. Evicting Marlon was guinea pig test subject to soften the blow. The public have already got used to fact that a housemate can be evicted without their involvement. The backlash is not as mental.

I disagree and have yet to see a valid reason why they would want or care enough to get Ashleigh out of the house.

[Marsh.]

As I said, why not just go with the results of Anthony, Craig and Kemal's nominations? To save Makosi?

They did know who would face the vote because of the fact it was TWO LIES. If the "optional nominations" was not a lie then what would be? If the other three faced the vote then it wouldn't have been a lie, throwing two lies into the air.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

As I said, why not just go with the results of Anthony, Craig and Kemal's nominations? To save Makosi?

Because they wanted Vanessa out.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Because they wanted Vanessa out.

It was two lies. If the non nominators were not up then it wouldn't have been two lies would it?

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It was two lies. If the non nominators were not up then it wouldn't have been two lies.

I can't believe I'm having to explain how they did this twist to evict Vanessa nearly 10 years later.

They told them all sorts of things that could have been lies... So much so they were unable to guess that Anthony, Kemal and Craig being up was one of the lies. But they didn't decide that would be one of the lies until they saw who did what. The only problem for them was that the group that was really up for eviction with Vanessa in it, also had Makosi there, so at the last minute they decided to add to the eviction that it would be the top two who then faced a HM vote. Until then it was just going to be a normal eviction with the two lies as the twist. The HM vote came later w/ the knowledge that Makosi would go otherwise.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

I can't believe I'm having to explain how they did this twist to evict Vanessa nearly 10 years later.

They told them all sorts of things that could have been lies... So much so they were unable to guess that Anthony, Kemal and Craig being up was one of the lies. But they didn't decide that would be one of the lies until they saw who did what. The only problem for them was that the group that was really up for eviction with Vanessa in it, also had Makosi there, so at the last minute they decided to add to the eviction that it would be the top two who then faced a HM vote. Until then it was just going to be a normal eviction with the two lies as the twist. The HM vote came later w/ the knowledge that Makosi would go otherwise.

The only two lies with any impact was the ones centred on nominations. Nothing else would've made any impact whatsoever.

You can be rude and call me naive, stupid, "can't believe I'm explaining this" all you want. It doesn't make you right.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I don't think they think twists through, they never reveal it to the public into the twist has played into the producers hands/far too late. [This has happeneded since C5 took over]

i.e. Once Toya had already been selected as power housemate, they decided to get her put up.

Things like that, had they told the public beforehand, then fine... But they didn't

[Josy]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

I don't think they think twists through, they never reveal it to the public into the twist has played into the producers hands/far too late. [This has happeneded since C5 took over]

i.e. Once Toya had already been selected as power housemate, they decided to get her put up.

Things like that, had they told the public beforehand, then fine... But they didn't

They never put Toya up the housemate Toya and Matthew saved had to choose between the two of them.

[Starscream]

It's not too late to convince them to call off Friday's "no public vote" eviction. Contact 5 and BB by twitter, Facebook or email and tell them how you feel.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Again, they could have had a vote to save with them all.

The entire series was vote to evict, why would they suddenly change it? That would be tampering.

I also find it funny that on this last page I've gone from being told how naive I am to not know Josie was a producer favourite and they manipulated things for her to win.

And now I'm told they wanted her and three other "big characters" out before the final as a "**** You!" to the show. You know, the show they work on?

The conspiracy theories aren't even consistent.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The entire series was vote to evict, why would they suddenly change it? That would be tampering.

Did it in BB10 and saved Lisa.

I also find it funny that on this last page I've gone from being told how naive I am to not know Josie was a producer favourite and they manipulated things for her to win.

Yeah, I know some people think the show was handed to Josie on a platter, and it obivously was when they decided to do the eviction. But it wouldn't surprise me if they had it in their minds that Steve, as a war hero and all that, should get the free pass to the final. It was only because of the closeness of certain people to Josie that it didn't go that way. Had it been Steve and they then done the quad eviction, Josie, JJ, Sam and Corin, the top 4 favourites would have probably been out.

And now I'm told they wanted her and three other "big characters" out before the final as a "**** You!" to the show. You know, the show they work on?

The conspiracy theories aren't even consistent.

Well, I can't help what other people think happened. It's just clear that they make the decisions thinking through the possible consequences. Why wouldn't they do that?

[M X]

NO.

[Marsh.]

All in all, you think something no matter the evidence to the contrary and no matter whether it actually takes place or not. We've reached an impasse. Thanks for the discussion Yaki da.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

All in all, you think something no matter the evidence to the contrary

You haven't offered any evidence to the contrary. All you're asking me is to be a mindreader and tell you why they make the decisions they do, to which I can only offer suggestions.

But that they make decisions with certain outcomes in mind when they're making a long running television series is bloody obvious.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

You haven't offered any evidence to the contrary.

I don't need to offer evidence. You are the one claiming something untoward is happening therefore it's down to you to prove that.

[Creggle]

Ashleigh will never be evicted due to the public vote, and has a strong chance of winning, just as much as Mark or Winston. So they have Monday and Friday's evictions where the public aren't involved and Ashleigh is clearly in the line of fire.

It isn't difficult to see why some people would consider this Big Brother's way of evicting somebody they don't want in it who they can't get evicted normally.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

Ashleigh will never be evicted due to the public vote, and has a strong chance of winning, just as much as Mark or Winston. So they have Monday and Friday's evictions where the public aren't involved and Ashleigh is clearly in the line of fire.

It isn't difficult to see why some people would consider this Big Brother's way of evicting somebody they don't want in it who they can't get evicted normally.

Yes, but these people have convinced themselves that the producers don't do that sort of thing. I thought it was interesting that I got no reply to the point about them changing to a vote to save when Lisa was up for eviction along with everyone else (resulting in Hira going) during BB10.

They also changed it to a vote to save when Pete was paired up with Richard and they no doubt worried a vote to evict may lead to a strange result.

[Marsh.]

We haven't "convinced ourselves the producers don't do this sort of thing" you have failed to prove your point.

The producers want Ashleigh out because? For what purpose? What difference does it make to them?

Also, Ashleigh has a strong chance to win? Very doubtful and again pure presumption with no basis in fact.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

We haven't "convinced ourselves the producers don't do this sort of thing" you have failed to prove your point.

The producers want Ashleigh out because? For what purpose? What difference does it make to them?

Asking me to mind read again. I didn't say they definitely wanted her out but that there are certain people they are obviously happy to go out and she is up there. They would not have given the newbies the power to do this if they were not happy with that. They've even already said that Ashleigh has told them she wants to leave. Everyone watching who is paying attention knew that would happen

Also, Ashleigh has a strong chance to win? Very doubtful and again pure presumption with no basis in fact.

Oh FFS how can you say that a person who is leading every popularity poll (polls that have always correctly predicted winners or at least the top 3) by the distance she is is not in with a good shot of winning. The polls have always been a good indicator of support. Tellymix in particular correctly identified the popularity of Aaron, Luke A and Sam in the latter stages. Their poll is currently being topped by Ashleigh, just as she is topping every other poll.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

I didn't say they definitely wanted her out

But I'm naive for not agreeing with you. Now you're not sure. Hmmmm.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

They've even already said that Ashleigh has told them she wants to leave. Everyone watching who is paying attention knew that would happen

Really? You only claimed this AFTER it was said and began claiming you "knew it would happen". Mind reading indeed.

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Oh FFS

Are you ok?

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But I'm naive for not agreeing with you. Now you're not sure. Hmmmm.

I'm sure they're happy with her being a very likely candidate, as she obviously will be. Which we all knew. Especially the producers.

Really? You only claimed this AFTER it was said and began claiming you "knew it would happen". Mind reading indeed.



Are you ok?

I'm fine. You seem to be wanting to go round in the same circle again trying to deny that the producers choose to do certain twists with a particular outcome or outcomes in mind, which is indeed very naive.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

You seem to be wanting to go round in the same circle again trying to deny that the producers choose to do certain twists with a particular outcome or outcomes in mind, which is indeed very naive.

I haven't denied anything. I'm here to discuss actual incidents. You seem to think the producers do things....... because they can.

They wanted Nikki out..... for the hell of it.
They wanted Josie to win...... just because.
They want Ashleigh out....... because they can.

I already called an end to the discussion, you're taking it in circles. I'll leave you to it. Or maybe the mods might lock the thread....... because they can. Or block one of us from the discussion....... for the hell of it. After all, who needs actual reason to make all the effort to do the things they do?