[Kizzy]

What about people who do believe in something....except religion, what category are we in?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What about people who do believe in something....except religion, what category are we in?

'what influenced you as you were growing up to believe in what you do, or lose your faith etc?'

[Kizzy]

I never had a faith to lose, but had a spiritual belief only.

[Redway]

That's fine.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What about people who do believe in something....except religion, what category are we in?

usually the attention seekers category

[joeysteele]

I cannot believe all life happened by pure accident so I do believe in some 'mastermind' behind it all.
I come from a Catholic upbringing and although I moved back from a great deal that was taught to me from that, some elements of it I hold onto.

Taking only the Gospels, the words and actions attributed to Jesus, then I see little I could not desire from them.
The Christian ideals as set out by him as stated in those gospels are a very attractive scenario.
So I guess many of those Christian ideals in those Gospels I have taken on board as I go through life and try my best to 'reach out' and 'build up' others in accordance to that teaching as opposed to 'turning away' and 'bringing down' others.

I guess I am still really looking for faith as such but if you remove the other men's additions to much in the Bible and particularly the New Testament Gospels,then the small bits that are left are pretty good guides to a maybe possibly better and more fulfilled existence as to faith.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I never had a faith to lose, but had a spiritual belief only.

what spiritual beliefs

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

what spiritual beliefs

ones without a rule book

[the truth]

the atheist output in the Uk is pitiful. it offers no beliefs no values no wrestling with moral quandaries.....it sits and sneers from the sidelines, demands us all to believe life is meaningless and demands people are allowed to kill themselves in hospital and mocks and sneers and laughs at anyone who dare think maybe there is more. atheism in this country is a sad cynical populist nasty shallow , its a scornful place of cheap laughs a truly bitter Church.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

ones without a rule book

I think I may get what you say, something you feel rather than are told to believe.

That's how I form my feelings and views on faith or spiritual issues.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

ones without a rule book

so you have no rules at all? no moral code? no guidelines ? no rights and no wrongs? how do you draw any lines between whats acceptable and whats not? whats right and whats wrong?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

so you have no rules at all? no moral code? no guidelines ? no rights and no wrongs? how do you draw any lines between whats acceptable and whats not? whats right and whats wrong?

I have a conscience....

[Alf]

I think the term is "Agnostic" what I am. It mean's nothing to me.

I'm quite happy to join in with the main Christian festival's, more out of tradition, and it's a good time, so every one's a winner.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have a conscience....

so? every does? youve not answered any questions ? what spiritual beliefs do you have?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

the atheist output in the Uk is pitiful. it offers no beliefs no values no wrestling with moral quandaries.....it sits and sneers from the sidelines, demands us all to believe life is meaningless and demands people are allowed to kill themselves in hospital and mocks and sneers and laughs at anyone who dare think maybe there is more. atheism in this country is a sad cynical populist nasty shallow , its a scornful place of cheap laughs a truly bitter Church.

You don't have to be atheist to believe that people should be given the freedom to kill themselves if that's what they want. Better that people are given freedom of choice than told what to do by overbearing Christians who think their own views should have anything to do with anyone else's.

And not all atheists mock people for differing views. All it means is that you don't believe in anything out there. Nothing more, nothing less. In every sector of society you always get ignorant pricks, so of course there are intolerant militant atheists, just as there are evangelical religious nuts who think it's their job to save others from eternal damnation.

Think I find religious people who make negative sweeping generalisations about a huge group of people much more offensive and ridiculous than the vast majority of decent people who just happen to not believe in a higher being.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

so you have no rules at all? no moral code? no guidelines ? no rights and no wrongs? how do you draw any lines between whats acceptable and whats not? whats right and whats wrong?

Going by your conscience maybe, as kizzy said. You don't need a rule book or a belief in a greater being to give you a moral code.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

so? every does? youve not answered any questions ? what spiritual beliefs do you have?

yes they do, it's what jesus called free will.
I'm not going to list my core values for your evaluation truth, I don't need your validation thankyou.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

yes they do, it's what jesus called free will.
I'm not going to list my core values for your evaluation truth, I don't need your validation thankyou.

you dont seem to know your core values

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

you dont seem to know your core values

Why are you being so confrontational? She doesn't belong to an organised religion so she doesn't know her core values or have a moral code?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

you dont seem to know your core values

I know them, I just choose not to impart them to you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why are you being so confrontational? She doesn't belong to an organised religion so she doesn't know her core values or have a moral code?

'Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways.'

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

You don't have to be atheist to believe that people should be given the freedom to kill themselves if that's what they want. Better that people are given freedom of choice than told what to do by overbearing Christians who think their own views should have anything to do with anyone else's.

And not all atheists mock people for differing views. All it means is that you don't believe in anything out there. Nothing more, nothing less. In every sector of society you always get ignorant pricks, so of course there are intolerant militant atheists, just as there are evangelical religious nuts who think it's their job to save others from eternal damnation.

Think I find religious people who make negative sweeping generalisations about a huge group of people much more offensive and ridiculous than the vast majority of decent people who just happen to not believe in a higher being.

That was one of the most unoriginal replies Ive ever read. It was just the same cliched tripe espoused by the everyman populist british atheist who seems to simply exist to take cheap shots against Christianity and never actualy to any values. Its so utterly boring and predictable and of course disrespectful.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I know them, I just choose not to impart them to you.

you dont know them and you lack the backbone to say that. even if you knew your own values it shows significant cowardice to refrain from sharing them. especially when youre so quick to criticize some beliefs and values yet havent the courage to state any of your own values and beliefs.

[Marsh.]

Redway exists simply to take cheap shots at Christianity?

Oh wake up and smell the coffee.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

That was one of the most unoriginal replies Ive ever read. It was just the same cliched tripe espoused by the everyman populist british atheist who seems to simply exist to take cheap shots against Christianity and never actualy to any values. Its so utterly boring and predictable and of course disrespectful.

I don't think you're in any position to talk about predictable and disrespectful.