[Helen 28]

Frank is like so many blokes he just likes wearing womens knickers.

All this trapped in the wrong body rubbish is simply guff.

[Nell_McCoy]

There are people who are genuinely M2F Transgender but there are many more men who get a sexual thrill out of wearing women's clothes pretending to be Trans and demanding to be treated as women when they have absolutely no intention whatsoever of giving up their dick. I don't think Kellie is one of the latter and she seems like a genuinely nice person.

[Northern Monkey]

Imo,A man can never actually be a woman,No matter how much hacking and tucking goes on down there.I could get my bits cut off and a fake vagina modelled down there but i would still be male,Just a male that's been cut and tucked and taken hormones.However,If Kellie wants to be reffered to as Kellie and thinks she is supposed to be female then why not eh?I shall refer to 'her' as 'her' or Kellie as that's what she prefers.

[warrenhill]

Has anyone thought this whole Kellie thing might be a big wind up.....

And maybe some kind of bet or something else.

It all came a bit suddenly and only a couple of weeks before the programme started......

[TheElusiveChanteuse]

Not really sure why it's such an issue? If she wants to be reffered to and identifies as a woman than why would anyone else have an issue with it? Does it affect your day to day life if Kellie wants to be called 'she'?

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Imo,A man can never actually be a woman,No matter how much hacking and tucking goes on down there.I could get my bits cut off and a fake vagina modelled down there but i would still be male,Just a male that's been cut and tucked and taken hormones.However,If Kellie wants to be reffered to as Kellie and thinks she is supposed to be female then why not eh?I shall refer to 'her' as 'her' or Kellie as that's what she prefers.

I'm guessing you have never felt like a women trapped in a mans body which is what Kellie has felt like, so of course you don't get it and would still consider yourself male.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheElusiveChanteuse

Not really sure why it's such an issue? If she wants to be reffered to and identifies as a woman than why would anyone else have an issue with it? Does it affect your day to day life if Kellie wants to be called 'she'?



I'm guessing you have never felt like a women trapped in a mans body which is what Kellie has felt like, so of course you don't get it and would still consider yourself male.

I am talking about physiologically not psychologically.You can think you are female but it does'nt make it true.You can have as many ops as you want,It still does'nt make it true.However,If that is how Kellie likes to be referred to,As i said,Out of respect for what seems like a nice person male or female i shall call her Kellie.

[Livia]

Jezuz... this thread... I honestly thought most people had got past all the disguised hostility and piss-taking dressed up to look like humour. Sadly it looks like I was wrong.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Livia

Jezuz... this thread... I honestly thought most people had got past all the disguised hostility and piss-taking dressed up to look like humour. Sadly it looks like I was wrong.

It would appear that after several pages, there are more than a handful of people or posters, that have concerns about this subject, probably brought about by the fact that it is not PC correct to refer to a TG her as a him. I have gotten into trouble in the past for saying he as opposed to her for Lauren Harries. We are only looking for clarification to save face and not to upset anyone.

Frank Warren or Kellie Warren hardly fall into the same category as Lauren harries, but nevertheless, it still has provoked a huge outcry and IMO a very unfair sympathy understanding of a character that could be a complete fraud. Even some of Franks/Kellies best mates and business colleagues are calling it a very strange and so unlike him, idea.

I have the right to state an opinion and my opinion, however wrong or right it might be, is that its a complete fraud and he is only doing it for financial reasons with the gratitude attached that he can earn from doing a bit of cross dressing and embark upon a bit of a thrill seeking venture at our cost.

The day I read that he has slept with or had a relationship with a man, my fears will be put to rest, but sadly, at his age, maybe sex isn't on the menu, however based on his previous appetite and exploits, that scenario is about as likely as Shergar popping up on Brighton beach on a park and ride basis.

[Pete.]

hasn't she had the operation yet?

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

hasn't she had the operation yet?

No. Maloney has taken some hormone tablets, that's all - and legally is still a man. This is different from (e.g.) Lauren Harries who has had gender reassigment surgery and is - by law - a woman.

Notwithstanding that both of them will always have the male chromosomes and - it seems - men's voices to match. Biologically (as opposed to legally) they will always be men.

All very sad, IMO.

[Nell_McCoy]

The daily update of what happened in the house referred to kellie as HE and HIM - Check the thread ? I am confused now.

[CaudleHalbard]

Feeling trapped is a state of mind.

Arguably better dealt with by addressing the psychological cause than by asking the surgeon to mutilate a perfectly healthy body.

Doesn't work very well anyway. I saw a statistic some years ago which suggested a higher suicide rate in post-operative transgender people than average for the population.

That can't be a good thing.

[Tregard]

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by Tregard

[reece(:]

Good grief, this thread.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Good grief, this thread.

If you feel strongly about this thread, please feel free to offer an opinion that might give us an insight because obviously we are struggling somewhat through ignorance, and someone as well informed as you could probably help us out.