[Jules2]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Maybe he would expand on it if anyone would let him get a word in without shouting at him and rolling their eyes. I'm not a believer but he clearly believes his thing and I think its right to respect others beliefs even if you don't share them it means a lot to them.

I am a believer, but your words are true.

I think what Gary is trying to do is to justify the fact that he doesnt want to argue and to have bad friendships. To obtain the true spiritual factor love and forgiveness comes into the mix. Now as I said I believe but I take myself to task as I am human and I let myself down so much. Gary is trying to live his belief for the benefit of the ALL.

He is very brave tbh as not one of them, with the exception of Frenchy, have any time for him. He is trying to put over the factor of forgiveness, do not hurt another but of course, it is the BB house where nastiness is the play of the day. It wont gel in there as they read something different into his words.

Judy James looks for someone winning, her choice was Dee! She never won a thing because she did not understand what he was trying to say, she just talked him down then could not finish the debate, she was a coward. She went back to her sheep pen.

With James it is a task, possibly for the benefit of the cameras, I think deep down when he thinks about it he may eventually have some respect for Gary. Gary tends to go to him and James, even though he wont admit it, felt for Gary in the balloon test. James is just another part of the sheep pen and another coward.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by jet

I heard him saying tonight about being touched with genius (I agree with you I heard that wrongly at first) and that he had died twice etc, but I didn't see the relevance of that in the argument they were having? Did you? Why does he have to bring up his out of body experiences and knowledge etc at every opportunity? (Sorry for all the questions)

I also missed an episode and haven't had time to watch it, so if he expanded on the 'knowledge' that he possessed it must have been in that one. What did he say? I really want to know, I'm dying to know in fact. I'm very interested and curious about what actually makes him tick and not just what he implies makes him tick, if that makes sense.

Imo what he is trying to do is to explain why he feels the way he does. When people have massive experiences it is difficult not to try and live them because no matter what the experience cannot be taken away. He is trying to get them to see why, it is simple as that. I have often said things but have been accused of preaching but that was far from the truth. There is a way to overcome our trials and tribulations, to accept them but to overcome and to go on. We are so much more than we look. The trouble is others do not understand and none of them, especially Dee, will understand because she does not see the reason behind his intent.

The thing is until we experience we cannot understand the ticking of anothers mind it is easier just to disregard it as the HMs are doing. In this case though curiosity will not kill the cat, it will lead to great discoveries and one of the ways to begin is to meditate. It is good to question and not to close any doors.

[poppsywoppsy]

My thoughts were, who is Dee to try and tell Gary anything.

What has she done which is so special that she can advise someone who has had a career stretching over decades, made it through illness and accidents, yet has come through it all, damaged but still functioning.

She has sat on her backside pontificating whilst actually doing nothing at all and living off taxpayers handouts. She is all too quick with her mouth but lacking in actions. By not being at work and having to work in a hierarchy, she speaks as if her contributions to society are as equal as those who have worked all their lives and earned that right.

She may be a warm caring person, couldn't we all be in her situation, of course we could but when it comes to her telling others what they can and cannot do, she should remember that she could do with the same dose of home truths she doles out to others.

[mary poppins]

For god sakes the man needs to shut up about himself!! They are probably all sick of listening to him going on about the genius in him and being to the other side..people dont want to listen to that all the time...he's thinks hes superior to the rest of them because of this!

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Tip

Yeah, I wouldn't say that Dee was talking perfect sense. In that kind of confrontational situation with Gary I'm not surprised that she came out with some nonsense.

I can't decide one way or another regarding whether she has just adopted a group attitude or if it's her individual attitude genuinely.

I can understand Gary wanting to "put her straight" if he thought her opinion was wrong - but I can't imagine why he'd think he would be able to alter opinions by confrontation.

Ah the thing is though, he is being upfront and not talking about anyone behind their backs. It could have gone better had Dee been able to cope with being on her own in a situation but she was away from her sheep pen.

[delta]

Originally Posted by Jules2

I am a believer, but your words are true.

I think what Gary is trying to do is to justify the fact that he doesnt want to argue and to have bad friendships. To obtain the true spiritual factor love and forgiveness comes into the mix. Now as I said I believe but I take myself to task as I am human and I let myself down so much. Gary is trying to live his belief for the benefit of the ALL.

He is very brave tbh as not one of them, with the exception of Frenchy, have any time for him. He is trying to put over the factor of forgiveness, do not hurt another but of course, it is the BB house where nastiness is the play of the day. It wont gel in there as they read something different into his words.

Judy James looks for someone winning, her choice was Dee! She never won a thing because she did not understand what he was trying to say, she just talked him down then could not finish the debate, she was a coward. She went back to her sheep pen.

With James it is a task, possibly for the benefit of the cameras, I think deep down when he thinks about it he may eventually have some respect for Gary. Gary tends to go to him and James, even though he wont admit it, felt for Gary in the balloon test. James is just another part of the sheep pen and another coward.

James Jordan has a clear problem with authority and deep down is a scared little boy, notice he finds great solace in the friendship of George, a non threatening Beta Male. Where upon he actively seeks confrontation with most of the other males in the house. ( I wonder if he was abused when he was smaller or bullied at school, he's showing all the symptoms of one of those two?) Or maybe it's because he was booted of strictly- after many warnings- by older men with grey hair.

I had a grandad who was deaf and of course old, and it was an effort repeating yourself time and time again, but not once did I get angry with him or treat him like he was some buffoon. You just have to be more patient and understanding after all " walk a mile in their shoes" and for those that have noted the Irish girl for her understanding are correct, in as much, it doesnt' take an awful lot to have a bit of time to talk to someone. You also, and a lot of people are conveniently forgetting, is that this man has brain damage. Now this alters you in so many ways, mood swings, forgetfulness etc, { You could argue strongly that if that is the case then he shouldn't be in there, but he is} so they have to deal with it.

If you took Gary away from CBB, it would be a whole poorer place with out him imho.

[Fendertele]

Perhaps Gary should offer to finish her 'haircut'....I mean she could do that act, turn one way and she's a man, turn the other she's a woman, Tommy Cooper used to do it....

[Vanessa]

Someone on the Gary fan page wrotethis. What does everyone think? She has a point. Dee is just a sheep.

"feel free to correct me..but did Dee not contradict herself...she said "gary is manipulative housemate"...then goes onto to say later to others "he cant manipulate anything he full of ****"?..make your mind up!!...or was that game plan from dee..."

[Kizzy]

I'm disappointed in dee, I would have thought as savvy as she is she would've caught on that gary is being isolated by james, steph and leslie and stepped in to counter that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Well done Dee !! has this lazy gett washed a pot since he went in there ?

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by delta

James Jordan has a clear problem with authority and deep down is a scared little boy, notice he finds great solace in the friendship of George, a non threatening Beta Male. Where upon he actively seeks confrontation with most of the other males in the house. ( I wonder if he was abused when he was smaller or bullied at school, he's showing all the symptoms of one of those two?) Or maybe it's because he was booted of strictly- after many warnings- by older men with grey hair.

I had a grandad who was deaf and of course old, and it was an effort repeating yourself time and time again, but not once did I get angry with him or treat him like he was some buffoon. You just have to be more patient and understanding after all " walk a mile in their shoes" and for those that have noted the Irish girl for her understanding are correct, in as much, it doesnt' take an awful lot to have a bit of time to talk to someone. You also, and a lot of people are conveniently forgetting, is that this man has brain damage. Now this alters you in so many ways, mood swings, forgetfulness etc, { You could argue strongly that if that is the case then he shouldn't be in there, but he is} so they have to deal with it.

If you took Gary away from CBB, it would be a whole poorer place with out him imho.

I personally havent forgotten anything at all, I have watched his videos after his accident and tbh I find them very revealing about the man himself. It is a fact that we only use a part of our brain. The left is, I believe, for the nitty gritty but the right is for the more interesting things of life, the adventurous, the artistic side. To reach the very highest of the highest heights, which most cannot, the two sides should work together but we stay within our own comfy corners. So what was Gary's brain injury, has he become a different person? He certainly isnt as "stupid" as they want to make out. For me I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he overcame and he is finding himself. Something which we will all do eventually, be comfortable in our own skins.

Bless your grandad, he must have loved you very much.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jules2

I personally havent forgotten anything at all, I have watched his videos after his accident and tbh I find them very revealing about the man himself. It is a fact that we only use a part of our brain. The left is, I believe, for the nitty gritty but the right is for the more interesting things of life, the adventurous, the artistic side. To reach the very highest of the highest heights, which most cannot, the two sides should work together but we stay within our own comfy corners. So what was Gary's brain injury, has he become a different person? He certainly isnt as "stupid" as they want to make out. For me I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he overcame and he is finding himself. Something which we will all do eventually, be comfortable in our own skins.

You have a point. He's a different person now because of his accident. A better one and he values life now.

[Vanessa]

Very disappointed in Dee last night. She's entitled to her opinions, but it annoys me that she only chose Gary to please the group.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by mary poppins

For god sakes the man needs to shut up about himself!! They are probably all sick of listening to him going on about the genius in him and being to the other side..people dont want to listen to that all the time...he's thinks hes superior to the rest of them because of this!

[Vanessa]

Housemates all think they're superior to Gary anyway.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

My thoughts were, who is Dee to try and tell Gary anything.

What has she done which is so special that she can advise someone who has had a career stretching over decades, made it through illness and accidents, yet has come through it all, damaged but still functioning.

She has sat on her backside pontificating whilst actually doing nothing at all and living off taxpayers handouts. She is all too quick with her mouth but lacking in actions. By not being at work and having to work in a hierarchy, she speaks as if her contributions to society are as equal as those who have worked all their lives and earned that right.

She may be a warm caring person, couldn't we all be in her situation, of course we could but when it comes to her telling others what they can and cannot do, she should remember that she could do with the same dose of home truths she doles out to others.

SO YOU NEED A JOB TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE IN SOCIETY.

[the truth]

the irony is dee if 100 times more arrogant and impatient than gary, yet all shes done is sit on her lard ass all her life and smoke, whereas gary has worked is backside off his whole life.... yet depsite all his achievements it is gary is 100 times more patient, modest and more sincere.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by the truth

the irony is dee if 100 times more arrogant and impatient than gary, yet all shes done is sit on her lard ass all her life and smoke, whereas gary has worked is backside off his whole life.... yet depsite all his achievements it is gary is 100 times more patient, modest and more sincere.

[Josy]

I'm in no way saying Gary is an innocent 100% of the time, who is? and yeah he has a big ego, the majority of these celebs do as we have seen in the house.

But Dee actually said to a partially deaf man she is 'sick of repeating herself' I mean really? come on.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by the truth

the irony is dee if 100 times more arrogant and impatient than gary, yet all shes done is sit on her lard ass all her life and smoke, whereas gary has worked is backside off his whole life.... yet depsite all his achievements it is gary is 100 times more patient, modest and more sincere.

So lazy she shortened her name down to just the first letter.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Josy

I'm in no way saying Gary is an innocent 100% of the time, who is? and yeah he has a big ego, the majority of these celebs do as we have seen in the house.

But Dee actually said to a partially deaf man she is 'sick of repeating herself' I mean really? come on.

and she started talking faster to get out of the conversation, knowing full well she couldnt possibly justify her cowardly decisions........she started raising her voice then desperately looked for a way out....what was the excuse? oh her tea was bad, then she did the ultimate cowards thing , eye rolling and mocking gary to others at the kitchen , the fck ill be back to talk to you she said to a polite and sincere request from gary. short term winner, long term loser.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by the truth

and she started talking faster to get out of the conversation, knowing full well she couldnt possibly justify her cowardly decisions

Eurgh you just reminded me of something actually..

You know what REALLY annoys me?

When anyone having a disagreement with Gary walks away mumbling insults when they know he can't hear them 90% of the time, completely disrespectful IMO.

Dee done it too.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Josy

Eurgh you just reminded me of something actually..

You know what REALLY annoys me?

When anyone having a disagreement with Gary walks away mumbling insults when they know he can't hear them 90% of the time, completely disrespectful IMO.

Dee done it too.

and judy james said, dee won? won what? the worlds rudest nobody prize? judy james must be mental!

[CaudleHalbard]

I don't think any of us viewers realise quite how unpopular Gary is with all his fellow housemates.

It's often the way with these pseudo-spiritual types. If he was genuinely spritual, as opposed to having a couple of bad experiences in hospital, he would be unlikely to even talk about it.

His age and deafness have nothing to do with the matter.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I don't think any of us viewers realise quite how unpopular Gary is with all his fellow housemates.

It's often the way with these pseudo-spiritual types. If he was genuinely spritual, as opposed to having a couple of bad experiences in hospital, he would be unlikely to even talk about it.

His age and deafness have nothing to do with the matter.

theyre mostly a bunch of ignoramuses.

its jealousy, ignorance, impatience, selfish self centredness, anti americanism too