[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Braden

Some of it is down to age, not all of it because there are older people who wouldn't dream of using that language.

It's just a shame that Ken isn't really with the times and doesn't know what is acceptable/unacceptable. The fact that Ken kept going on about providing 'controversy' and wanting to leave doesn't really help how his intentions may be construed.

I think it's more he doesn't care that it's unacceptable rather than doesn't know, he's definitely been told atleast twice that it's unacceptable yet still choose to use the word again

[Robodog]

It's nothing like the word 'n----r' which is generally agreed to be an offensive term (there is no question about that).

There is probably no greater authority on the subject of 'Black' race relations than Martin Luther King. His preferred term for his own race was the word 'Negro'.

Even the US census of 2010 uses the word 'Negro' as a racial category - during Obama's presidency no less!

So when and why did it suddenly become a 'racist' term? Just for this new series of BB??

I think Ken, like most people, regarded it as a legitmate racial term such as 'hispanic' or 'caucasian', just as they are all used as racial categories in the offical US census of 2010.

This series of BB is the first time i have ever heard it considered offensive by anyone.

So if you think Ken is to be considered 'racist' simply by using that word, then it follows you must also regard both Martin Luther King AND Obama's government as racist too just for their use of the same word.

Bearing in mind they are probably the two most respected and loved Black figures in modern political/social history. it just doesn't make sense to me.

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[JoshBB]

Usual suspects in the 'it's just outdated' section - leathertrumpet, the truth..

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Robodog

It's nothing like the word 'n----r' which is generally agreed to be an offensive term (there is no question about that).

There is probably no greater authority on the subject of 'Black' race relations than Martin Luther King. His preferred term for his own race was the word 'Negro'.

Even the US census of 2010 uses the word 'Negro' as a racial category.

So when and why did it suddenly become a 'racist' term? Just for this new series of BB??

I think Ken, like most people, regarded it as a legitmate racial term such as 'hispanic' or 'caucasian', just as they are all used as racial categories in the offical US census of 2010.

This series of BB is the first time i have ever heard it considered offensive by anyone.

So if you think Ken is to be considered 'racist' simply by using that word, then it follows you must also regard both Martin Luther King AND the US government as racist too for their use of the word.

It doesn't make sense to me.

Racist against his own race.. yes that seems perfectly logical.

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Usual suspects in the 'it's just outdated' section - leathertrumpet, the truth..

Nail on head.

[Jose Mourinho]

I have only seen Ken discussing the use of the word with 2 black people so far. Alex and the black lady on Loose Women. Both said the word is unacceptable and the lady on loose women pointed out it is also now seen as a racist word. I DONT see how this debate continues with such clear evidence pointing out the word IS racist and IS offensive.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

I have only seen Ken discussing the use of the word with 2 black people so far. Alex and the black lady on Loose Women. Both said the word is unacceptable and the lady on loose women pointed out it is also now seen as a racist word. I DONT see how this debate continues with such clear evidence pointing out the word IS racist and IS offensive.

The evidence is that the two most respected black figures in modern political history, being Barack Obama and Martin Luther King - BOTH use that word as a racial category (see Obama's US census of 2010). No wonder many people (Ken included) feel comfortable in using it as an acceptable racial term. Until now.

So what happened to make it racist all of a sudden? Who decided it was racist? BB?

Does that also now mean that ALL the racial categories on the census list are suddenly to be considered as equally racist: including 'hispanic', 'caucasian' etc?

Or if it's just 'Negro' that's to be considered offensive now, then what word are we supposed to use instead as the Black equivalent of 'Caucasian'?

And will that new word also become offensive in the next 4 years just as 'Negro' has from 2010 - 2014?

I'm just highlighting the insanity of it all here.

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by Robodog

The evidence is that the two most respected black figures in modern political history, being Barack Obama and Martin Luther King - BOTH use that word as a racial category (see Obama's US census of 2010). No wonder many people (Ken included) feel comfortable in using it as an acceptable racial term. Until now.

So what happened to make it racist all of a sudden? Who decided it was racist? BB?

Does that also now mean that ALL the racial categories on the census list are suddenly to be considered as equally racist: including 'hispanic', 'caucasian' etc?

Or if it's just 'Negro' that's to be considered offensive now, then what word are we supposed to use instead as the Black equivalent of 'Caucasian'?

And will that new word also become offensive in the next 4 years just as 'Negro' has from 2010 - 2014?

I'm just highlighting the insanity of it all here.

No, its offensive. Would you be happy being called Blanc? Do you really call people negroes? I mean I cba with this convo. READ THIS. AN apology to Obama for the use of the word..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_417406.html

Obama is ok with the use of the word is he? Case closed.

Cheers.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

No, its offensive. Would you be happy being called Blanc? Do you really call people negroes? I mean I cba with this convo. READ THIS. AN apology to Obama for the use of the word..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_417406.html

Obama is ok with the use of the word is he? Case closed.

Cheers.

Obama was ok enough with the word to allow his administration to use it as an official racial category as recently as in their 2010 census. Only four years ago - it was a perfectly acceptable term on a governmental level. So what has happened since then to make it offensive? I have no idea.

Not saying it hasn't become offensive to some people since 2010 but what i'm highlighting is the bizarre confusion surrounding the use of the word when it has been used in a legitimate official capacity like the census and then suddenly becomes regarded as an offensive term on Big Brother within 4 short years. It's an alarming switch from one end of the acceptability scale to the other, in a very short space of time.

No wonder people are confused by it.

And seeing as you asked, I'm mixed race and am happy with the word blanc or negro. In fact, you can call me what you like. I am an adult and don't need anyone to police what people say to me, i can deal with it myself. I don't take offence unless people mean to cause me offence - no matter what language they use.

And if you CBA with this convo then don't bother yourself with it. And that's the case closed. Cheers.

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[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Obama was ok enough with the word to allow his administration to use it as an official racial category in their 2010 census.

Not saying it hasn't become offensive to some people since 2010 but what i'm highlighting is the bizarre confusion surrounding the use of the word when it has been used in a legitimate official capacity like the census and then suddenly becomes regarded as an offensive term on Big Brother within 4 short years. It's an alarming switch from one end of the acceptability scale to the other, in a very short space of time.

No wonder people are confused by it.

And seeing as you asked, I'm mixed race and am happy with the word blanc or negro. In fact, you can call me what you like. I am an adult and don't need anyone to police what people say to me, i can deal with it myself. I don't take offence unless people mean to cause me offence - no matter what language they use.

And if you CBA with this convo then don't bother yourself with it. That's case closed. Cheers.

Errr its actually been removed from the U.S census now.. Don't really think Obama was in presidency long enough nor did he have the time to have it removed by 2010. But it has been removed now. For obvious reasons. Case closed.

Cheers.

Go read about the history of the word. And why the meaning of it has changed over the years. It might simply be "A word" to you. But that word has a very SYMBOLIC meaning and we should respect and allow for that as decent, civilized human beings.

[the truth]

he wasn't called anyone a negro.....he was simply usuing it as part of a story. this is a grotesque over reaction and attack on free speech....by the way has anyone seen the roasts on American tv? now that's what you call freedom of speech

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by the truth

he wasn't called anyone a negro.....he was simply usuing it as part of a story. this is a grotesque over reaction and attack on free speech....by the way has anyone seen the roasts on American tv? now that's what you call freedom of speech

What about the first time he used the words whilst putting on A SOUTHERN AMERICAN accent? Was that a story too? What about "Pickaninny"? Was that a story too?

I am all for Freedom of speech... NOONE is stopping Ken from saying what he wants.. its not like hes been killed and ceases to exist...he still has Freedom of speech.

I am also allowed to exercise my Freedom of speech by blasting his use of the words...


Cheers.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

What about the first time he used the words whilst putting on A SOUTHERN AMERICAN accent? Was that a story too? What about "Pickaninny"? Was that a story too?

I am all for Freedom of speech... NOONE is stopping Ken from saying what he wants.. its not like hes been killed and ceases to exist...he still has Freedom of speech.

I am also allowed to exercise my Freedom of speech by blasting his use of the words...


Cheers.

you blast away like perez doesn't sound too smart though.....I think the time he said that he was possibly trying to get a rise out of alexander and it was right bb had a word....though I say again he didn't name call anyone and he was merely making a point about the actual meaning of these words which was accurate.

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by the truth

you blast away like perez doesn't sound too smart though.....I think the time he said that he was possibly trying to get a rise out of alexander and it was right bb had a word....though I say again he didn't name call anyone and he was merely making a point about the actual meaning of these words which was accurate.

Don't compare me to Perez I am very much all man.

And thanks, you just admitted his use of the word was inappropriate.


Cheers. Run along now. Next subject.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

Don't compare me to Perez I am very much all man.

And thanks, you just admitted his use of the word was inappropriate.


Cheers. Run along now. Next subject.

are you saying perez isn't all man, that's offensive
I didn't admit that either so youre being disingenuous (lying)
run along now youre out of your depth boy

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by the truth

are you saying perez isn't all man, that's offensive
I didn't admit that either so youre being disingenuous (lying)
run along now youre out of your depth boy

Did you not say he was "Trying to get a rise out of Alexander"? (lie!?!?)

Who knows if Perez is all man or not? He sure does come across as quite effeminate.. Something which I am not..So don't compare us. Perhaps it is you who is out of your depth.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

Did you not say he was "Trying to get a rise out of Alexander"?

Who knows if Perez is all man or not? He sure does come across as quite effeminate.. Something which I am not..So don't compare us. Perhaps it is you who are out of your depth.

it sounds homophobic to say hes not all man, tut tut , and to think you had the nerve to lecture others about what words to use, such hypocrisy

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by the truth

it sounds homophobic to say hes not all man, tut tut , and to think you had the nerve to lecture others about what words to use, such hypocrisy

Well it sounds homophobe to you. But not to me.. Freedom of speech remember?

Run along now before you embarrass yourself even further.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

Well it sounds homophobe to you. But not to me.. Freedom of speech remember?

Run along now before you embarrass yourself even further.

you think youre more man than perez and hes not a proper man because hes gay? wow how ignorant. then you go on to try and preach to others about what politically correct words you think they should be allowed to use? sounds like perez is more man after all

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by the truth

you think youre more man than perez and hes not a proper man because hes gay? wow how ignorant. then you go on to try and preach to others about what politically correct words you think they should be allowed to use? sounds like perez is more man after all

Seems you either cannot read properly or are missing a pair of glasses somewhere.. Read again.

" He sure does come across as quite effeminate.. Something which I am not..So don't compare us. "

Do I really need to re- post my own posts to you? Is he not effeminate? I did not even mention the fact he is gay.. You cannot compare this to the actual subject of the thread. Keep on topic.

Cheers.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

Seems you either cannot read properly or are missing a pair of glasses somewhere.. Read again.

" He sure does come across as quite effeminate.. Something which I am not..So don't compare us. "

Do I really need to re- post my own posts to you? Is he not effeminate? I did not even mention the fact he is gay.. You cannot compare this to the actual subject of the thread. Keep on topic.

Cheers.

more disingenuous nonsense jose....you said you were more man than him, that's pretty homophobic, shame on you....to think youre trying to lecture others on what language to use too lol what a joke

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by the truth

more disingenuous nonsense jose....you said you were more man than him, that's pretty homophobic, shame on you....to think youre trying to lecture others on what language to use too lol what a joke

What I find a joke is the fact you cannot differentiate between being effeminate and being Homosexual.

Go look up both words in the dictionary. For your information, not all gay people are effeminate. To think you are so bad at debating. Thats the real joke here.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

What I find a joke is the fact you cannot differentiate between being effeminate and being Homosexual.

Go look up both words in the dictionary. For your information, not all gay people are effeminate. To think you are so bad at debating. Thats the real joke here.

good try boy. you said you were more man than perez, that's homophobic, you've dug your homophobic hole yourself you may as well jump in and bury yourself and your reputation

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by the truth

good try boy. you said you were more man than perez, that's homophobic, you've dug your homophobic hole yourself you may as well jump in and bury yourself and your reputation

I don't see anything wrong with what I have said. Fool yourself all you want Mr NOT SO truth.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

I don't see anything wrong with what I have said. Fool yourself all you want Mr NOT SO truth.

that shows the ignorance is deep rooted in you, scary.....telling a gay man youre more man than him is very offensive. educate yoruself