[sampvt]

Originally Posted by adamski94

The chances are she made a rough figure as she doesnt have her paperwork in there with her

Yes a grand a day is pretty rough, even I didn't earn that much in my hayday. Poor her.

Listen.......lets get real here....you like her, I think she is a disaster as a role model and person, but its not worth falling out over because I actually like your posts and your views, especially those over Perez, so lets both agree to shelve this one and move on ....ok....kiss kiss. or a manly handshake and a wink.

What do you say.

[Kizzy]

If the law says she's entitled to help then she gets help, if the law stated she earned too much money to have her sons needs met then fair enough but they don't.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Katie Hopkins then tries to bring Keith into the conversation but he resists saying, “I don’t want to talk about it anymore because I will get angry”

The conversation then becomes heated and Keith retorts, “Don’t goad me… I’m not playing a game. I’ve come into this House to enjoy myself and be nice with everybody.

“Unfortunately you may not be able to do that, but I can and hopefully I’ve done that successfully…”

Why would airing his views in a conversation about benefits get Keith angry? There's some suppressed issues going on there if he can't even have a heated discussion without resorting to anger. Desperate to maintain that Mr Nice Guy image.

Perez questions if Katie Hopkins thinks she is ever wrong and she quips, “Have I ever been wrong about anything? Yeah, I told Alicia she would stay”

[poppsywoppsy]

I think a means test could end this debate.

Many other people, pensioners, sick, housing benefits and other government grants are means tested and if this was too, there wouldn't be a problem.

Harvey is a minor, so the parents would be means tested not him. With a millionaire mother and father, of course they wouldn't qualify.

Of course Harvey is entitled to as much help as he needs but traveling so many hours a day to and from his school, cannot be the best for him.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If the law says she's entitled to help then she gets help, if the law stated she earned too much money to have her sons needs met then fair enough but they don't.

My opinion won't be popular probably but if I, as she does, paid 40% tax on all my earnings to the government, I would be taking every bit back that I could.

Also, as for her having Harvey in the limelight, why not, she's not ashamed of him and he seems a perfectly happy boy in spite of his disabilities, I'd be more worried if she kept him hidde.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by adamski94

By her constantly talking about her disabled child helps other parents with theres

Not often I agree with you but

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

For a long time, Katie P only showed huge amounts love towards Harvey but fantastic mother is going a bit far.

No doubt she loves him and her other children, but her lifestyle, the unsuitable men she had in her house when her children were there were not that of a fantastic mother. Her flashing her huge bosom at every opportunity, her many many holidays leaving Harvey with his carers, Yes her work some of it but falling out of nightclubs half cut and her really nasty persona when married to Peter, were not the actions of a fantastic mother.

Wouldn't a multi millionaire mother provide all her sons needs, she could pay for his traveling expenses from the interest on her millions, or a tax refund, what other things are more important, Pink Range Rovers, designer tat, diamond rings but she doesn't want to pay for her own sons transport.

I would provide transport in a minute, I used to take my disabled little girl and a baby in a push chair on the bus for her physio and paid for it myself when we didn't have a car.

Katie Price is a grasper, it isn't what you put in, it is more like do you really need what you take out.

Well said Popsy... It's amazing how people are quick to jump on people that call her a bad mother...(though people haven't critiqued her mothering more her behaviour as a mother)....but who are any of you to call her a good mother...how the hell do you know how much she does for him...for all we know she could leave it all to the hired hands. When she did her documentary married to Peter...every time Harvey appeared she kept asking him to tell her he loves her....it was so pretentious...everything to create the 'image' of the wonderful mother. She may well be a good mother but none of us can truly comment on that.
The point has been missed by many....it's nothing to do with motherhood...it's the way she uses situations to enhance her profile. I don't like her one little bit...she is a money grabbing tramp and I don't fall for her 'sweetness and light'..
I agree with Popsy...

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well said Popsy... It's amazing how people are quick to jump on people that call her a bad mother...(though people haven't critiqued her mothering more her behaviour as a mother)....but who are any of you to call her a good mother...how the hell do you know how much she does for him...for all we know she could leave it all to the hired hands. When she did her documentary married to Peter...every time Harvey appeared she kept asking him to tell her he loves her....it was so pretentious...everything to create the 'image' of the wonderful mother. She may well be a good mother but none of us can truly comment on that.
The point has been missed by many....it's nothing to do with motherhood...it's the way she uses situations to enhance her profile. I don't like her one little bit...she is a money grabbing tramp and I don't fall for her 'sweetness and light'..
I agree with Popsy...

So, we can't comment on whether she's a good mother, but making unfounded suggestions like "for all we know she could leave it all to the hired hands" and "it was so pretentious...everything to create the 'image' of the wonderful mother" is fine?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

So, we can't comment on whether she's a good mother, but making unfounded suggestions like "for all we know she could leave it all to the hired hands" and "it was so pretentious...everything to create the 'image' of the wonderful mother" is fine?

Yes... I said 'for all we know...' That's not saying she IS...mine is a suggestion but I am not saying it's true. Those that say she is a good mother...I would like to know how they can state that as a fact.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Yes... I said 'for all we know...' That's not saying she IS...mine is a suggestion but I am not saying it's true. Those that say she is a good mother...I would like to know how they can state that as a fact.

You stated that she was trying to "create the image of a perfect mother" as a fact. Can you back that up?

[Jules2]

The trouble is the Health Service, Government etc. etc. seems to be in such a bad state that if it is all taken away, Katie P. will be able to pay but the likes of the poorer people will be struggling so whilst she may be entitled she could possibly contribute to help the funds.

As I said somewhere I am retired but for the last 12 years my husband and I have been bringing up two grandchildren. All I ever asked for to begin with was free school dinners but couldnt get it as my husband has a separate pension. If we were working we could have got working tax credit, this would have given us the right to free school dinners.......the mind boggles.

The eldest is now at college but other than a free bus pass we have to pay for everything. We get family credit which I expect Katie P does as well? I guess we are means tested.

I think she seems to have been a good mother but I am not particularly keen on her.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MB.

...and this is someone who asked why every conversation comes back to Keith?

love it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jules2

The trouble is the Health Service, Government etc. etc. seems to be in such a bad state that if it is all taken away, Katie P. will be able to pay but the likes of the poorer people will be struggling so whilst she may be entitled she could possibly contribute to help the funds.

As I said somewhere I am retired but for the last 12 years my husband and I have been bringing up two grandchildren. All I ever asked for to begin with was free school dinners but couldnt get it as my husband has a separate pension. If we were working we could have got working tax credit, this would have given us the right to free school dinners.......the mind boggles.

The eldest is now at college but other than a free bus pass we have to pay for everything. We get family credit which I expect Katie P does as well? I guess we are means tested.

I think she seems to have been a good mother but I am not particularly keen on her.

I think the difference is neither of your grandchlidren have a disability Jules, KP won't get family credit as her earnings would be over the threshold

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Most mothers wouldn't talk about their kids on national tv disabled or not and defo not about the cost to run him to school on gov aided funds. Hardly a subject that a multi millionaire would broach, Not unless they had an ulterior motive. Food for thought eh.

Hopkins was the person who initially brought that subject up wit Pricey. I'm not surprised Pricey brought that subject back to the surface. If I were her I'd be ******ing livid.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I think its a bit sad that Pricey can only find her x's and sex plus now her family, to talk about it. My guess is that she thinks she is special because of Harvey and wont be afraid to use the little lad. She is not my fav person at the moment because she is using her family to gain brownie points and only has one target in the house Hoppo.

She knew Hoppo was the fav before she went in the house and is using that info to go for the prize. Its all a bit unfair and on her part desperate that she should bring her family up at every opportunity she can.

She very cleverly brought up the subject of Harvey yesterday knowing Hoppo would have a view and she brought her views up again today. All this is a plan for Pricey to discredit Hoppo but I think she might have shot herself in the foot because the GBP are not stupid.

not like me not to agree with you sam lol

I dont like KP but the one thing I do admire about her is that she is very family orientated, keeping her family around her all the time, mother,brother, sister etc
I also admire the fact that she looks after a disabled child, cause I couldnt, and not because Im a lazy cow, or selfish, but because it would upset me so much every day to see my child suffering that Id fall apart
The fact that she does it (and I know she has money but that can NEVER compensate) makes me admire her

But in the house.................she's been a damp squib

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Yes... I said 'for all we know...' That's not saying she IS...mine is a suggestion but I am not saying it's true. Those that say she is a good mother...I would like to know how they can state that as a fact.

What constitutes a 'good mother'?

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

not like me not to agree with you sam lol

I dont like KP but the one thing I do admire about her is that she is very family orientated, keeping her family around her all the time, mother,brother, sister etc
I also admire the fact that she looks after a disabled child, cause I couldnt, and not because Im a lazy cow, or selfish, but because it would upset me so much every day to see my child suffering that Id fall apart
The fact that she does it (and I know she has money but that can NEVER compensate) makes me admire her

But in the house.................she's been a damp squib

Completely agree with all of this

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

not like me not to agree with you sam lol

I dont like KP but the one thing I do admire about her is that she is very family orientated, keeping her family around her all the time, mother,brother, sister etc
I also admire the fact that she looks after a disabled child, cause I couldnt, and not because Im a lazy cow, or selfish, but because it would upset me so much every day to see my child suffering that Id fall apart
The fact that she does it (and I know she has money but that can NEVER compensate) makes me admire her

But in the house.................she's been a damp squib

I like it when people disagree, it shows they are opinionated, especially when the do it without vitriolic intent. Your ok Kiddo and I cant get upset at you.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

You stated that she was trying to "create the image of a perfect mother" as a fact. Can you back that up?

Well I watched the series and the amount of times she appeared on the screen with Harvey constantly asking him to say he loved her was nauseating and uncomfortable to watch....those are my facts.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well I watched the series and the amount of times she appeared on the screen with Harvey constantly asking him to say he loved her was nauseating and uncomfortable to watch....those are my facts.

Nothing about that makes "she was trying to create the image of a perfect mother" a fact. That's your opinion, nothing more.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well I watched the series and the amount of times she appeared on the screen with Harvey constantly asking him to say he loved her was nauseating and uncomfortable to watch....those are my facts.

Isnt thats what all mothers do?

[user104658]

It's a bit of a weird one this - I can't say I disagree with Hopkins, really, but she pushes the point too far in the name of "point scoring"... she could / should simply say that she thinks those sort of benefits should be means tested and leave it at that. It's a flaw with the system, really, which Katie Price as far as I'm aware doesn't have any say in.

On the other hand, my youngest daughter is on the autistic spectrum, and may well need additional help when she reaches school age, not really possible to know as she's only 2.5. She's "high functioning" (potentially aspergers), not heavily disabled like Harvey, and may well be fully able to go to "normal" school by the time she's 5, but there's a chance that she won't in which case it's likely that we'll be getting various "handouts" for her.

However, I can say with absolute certainty that if we were multi-millionaires, I wouldn't claim a penny of that money even if we were still "entitled to it".

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Nothing about that makes "she was trying to create the image of a perfect mother" a fact. That's your opinion, nothing more.

Well she isn't going to have cameras follow her around and create the image of a bad one is she??....it's all put on for the cameras IMO because she wasn't natural with them. Everything that comes out of her mouth is me me me....she is fake... If she really had any thought for her children she would not behave the way she does. Her trashy sex talk...trashing her exes and present husband...exposing those poor kids to ridicule. She should be ashamed. If she had come on the show and shown a personality...talked about life rather than her trashy one...have a discussion. Such a worldly wise business woman really has little conversation to offer without taking it to a low level.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well she isn't going to have cameras follow her around and create the image of a bad one is she??....it's all put on for the cameras IMO because she wasn't natural with them. Everything that comes out of her mouth is me me me....she is fake... If she really had any thought for her children she would not behave the way she does. Her trashy sex talk...trashing her exes and present husband...exposing those poor kids to ridicule. She should be ashamed. If she had come on the show and shown a personality...talked about life rather than her trashy one...have a discussion. Such a worldly wise business woman really has little conversation to offer without taking it to a low level.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Isnt thats what all mothers do?

I tell my kids I love them and they tell me back or vice versa....I never used to ask them and then tell them to tell me. I wanted them to want to say it...not forced to...otherwise it's doesn't mean anything.