[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

We can only comment based upon the facts at hand Annie, and that evidence suggests the guy on the floor started the trouble.

The fact no one got involved is no surprise to me though, because I have been in the city centre when a big football match had just ended and the shops were locking shoppers inside because hundreds of idiots were running amok having pitched battles in the street. I was shopping with my wife and saw about 6 or 7 yobs start beating and kicking the hell out of one kid who was about 15 years old, who was on his own and not even a football fan, and was doing nothing wrong. A couple of those punching and kicking him were blokes in their 30's the idiot bastards.

There were lots of people including grown men who could have intercepted but no one did - except muppet here. I ended up bloodied myself but did beat them off and I rescued the poor kid and kept him with us until the trouble had passed.

Most people do not want to get involved these days Annie, it's a sad fact.

Back to the topic; yes the gay guy went too far, but I still maintain that from the evidence available he did not start the trouble.

But you did intervene so you can't say no one ever intervenes, the woman who came across Lee Rigby on the ground intervened, it's not a given that no one intervenes, this screams staged the way the guy is mincing around with his handbag, what would we be saying if a guy was having seven bells kicked out of him and the attacker was strutting around and his sexuality was not obvious, Would we be saying the guy on the ground deserves it for verbally insulting the attacker?

[Denver]

I still cant believe people are saying the guy deserved it

the facts are

1) We dont know if he was even homophobic

2) That man is a thug and should spend his life in prison for attacking people like that.

Dont care what anyone says 2 wrongs dont make a right and nobody should be agreeing with that level of violence its just thugish behaviour

[Denver]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

We can only comment based upon the facts at hand Annie, and that evidence suggests the guy on the floor started the trouble.

The fact no one got involved is no surprise to me though, because I have been in the city centre when a big football match had just ended and the shops were locking shoppers inside because hundreds of idiots were running amok having pitched battles in the street. I was shopping with my wife and saw about 6 or 7 yobs start beating and kicking the hell out of one kid who was about 15 years old, who was on his own and not even a football fan, and was doing nothing wrong. A couple of those punching and kicking him were blokes in their 30's the idiot bastards.

There were lots of people including grown men who could have intercepted but no one did - except muppet here. I ended up bloodied myself but did beat them off and I rescued the poor kid and kept him with us until the trouble had passed.

Most people do not want to get involved these days Annie, it's a sad fact.

Back to the topic; yes the gay guy went too far, but I still maintain that from the evidence available he did not start the trouble.

You have no eviedence to say the other guy was homophobic.

Anybody can upload a video and claim its avbout homophobia

[Kizzy]

Even if he did make some ignorant comment how it that a licence to kick the living shiz out of anyone? It doesn't.
:/

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Even if he did make some ignorant comment how it that a licence to kick the living shiz out of anyone? It doesn't.
:/

It doesnt it actually makes them worse

[Good King Glennceslas]

Oh well. It's still another homophobic scumbag who will think twice before he's a dick to a gay person.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Oh well. It's still another homophobic scumbag who will think twice before he's a dick to a gay person.

Ditto.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Oh well. It's still another homophobic scumbag who will think twice before he's a dick to a gay person.

Can you supply hardcore evidence he was homophobic?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

You cannot hit and kick someone because they verbally provoked you. Kicking someone in the head while they're on the ground is bloody shameful, whatever he said.

You can if you feel threatened, and considering the number of hate crimes and murders of gay people that often first start as just verbal harassment this gay man had every right to be afraid for his life.

Good for him for not becoming just another sad statistic.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You can if you feel threatened, and considering the number of hate crimes and murders of gay people that often first start as just verbal harassment this gay man had every right to be afraid for his life.

Good for him for not becoming just another sad statistic.

No you ****ing can not.

A man/woman does not hit or provoke another person but youd cant go to prison for name calling but you can for attempted murder so you tell me which is worse

[GypsyGoth]

Which one was the gay?

[Liam-]

'attempted murder'

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

'attempted murder'

So stamping on someone's lifeless body is not trying to kill them?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by adamski94

So stamping on someone's lifeless body is not trying to kill them?

There's a difference between kicking and stamping, whether you want to see it or not.

At the start of the video, the guy moved, so clearly his body was't 'lifeless' was it?

Maybe a good hiding was what the guy needed to help him realise he can't go around abusing people for the sake of it.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

that video is disgusting

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Can you supply hardcore evidence he was homophobic?

Can you supply hardcore evidence that he wasn't?

[Kizzy]

vigilantism... yes we should solve all issues like this :/

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

There's a difference between kicking and stamping, whether you want to see it or not.

At the start of the video, the guy moved, so clearly his body was't 'lifeless' was it?

Maybe a good hiding was what the guy needed to help him realise he can't go around abusing people for the sake of it.

Ok put it this way we have all said things that offend others

so when you offend someone do you expect to be battered to you cant move?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Can you supply hardcore evidence that he wasn't?

You cant assume someone said it because you read it

that video looks like a planned and uncalled for attack

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Ok put it this way we have all said things that offend others

so when you offend someone do you expect to be battered to you cant move?

you are ignoring the context. The context is a homophobic bully trying to intimidate and threaten a gay man. It is not just any person saying something rude to any other person.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by adamski94

that video looks like a planned and uncalled for attack

ummm, no it didn't. It didn't look like that at all.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by adamski94

You cant assume someone said it because you read it

that video looks like a planned and uncalled for attack

So, in answer to my question. No.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Ok put it this way we have all said things that offend others

so when you offend someone do you expect to be battered to you cant move?

Again, there's a difference, a difference between offending someone over - let's say - their shoes and offending someone based on their sexuality.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you are ignoring the context. The context is a homophobic bully trying to intimidate and threaten a gay man. It is not just any person saying something rude to any other person.

Please show me where the man on the floor intimidated and threatened somebody else?

[Braden]

Violence is such a stupid way to deal with most situations.

Some gay people are beat up on a day to day basis purely because they're gay, but it doesn't fit right with me that this person felt it necessary to beat the **** of this guy, in retaliation of what seems to be a homophobic statement.

It's just hypocritical to me. People need to realise that insecurity is the main cause of name-calling. I would take pity in the fact that someone went out of their way to personally offend me simply because of something I can't change.