[Amy Jade]

abuse of Cristian?

How hilarious you will downplay a guy admitting he threatened to send an intimate tape to a girls father but call a few people thinking he's gross abusers

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

abuse of Cristian?

How hilarious you will downplay a guy admitting he threatened to send an intimate tape to a girls father but call a few people thinking he's gross abusers

Its ridiculous. Actually it is disturbing and the fact that his fans can defend something so obviously gross and wrong is proof that they watched the entire show with rose tinted glasses. Some things are black and white, a guy admitted he's done these things and it is inexcusable regardless of how much you liked or disliked him a week ago.

[REDCROP]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its ridiculous. Actually it is disturbing and the fact that his fans can defend something so obviously gross and wrong is proof that they watched the entire show with rose tinted glasses. Some things are black and white, a guy admitted he's done these things and it is inexcusable regardless of how much you liked or disliked him a week ago.

Who said I was his fan ? You seem very good at making assumptions about people without knowing the facts ....Try and imagine the concept that someone can defend another yet not even be their biggest fan ...I dislike Chloe more than any of them but I would defend her in the exact same way if she was being abused in the way Christian is right now....you know nothing of his reasons for saying what he said. ...you know nothing about the other person involved ...you know nothing about his emotional state of mind at the time or of any of the circumstances leading up to the moment in question .....you also know nothing about me and if you knew much about human nature you would not only realise from watching him that he's not a nasty guy but you would also know that it was obviously just an empty threat .....he clearly wouldn't want his family to know and he's also intelligent enough to know that the girls dad would Def come after him....
His reasons for feeling the need to warn her off we none of us know. ...so we have no right to accuse him of being this awful human being you're so quick to describe ....and me standing up for what's right does not make me disturbed ....if he or anyone else have broken the law then they go to court and have a defense and the facts and the evidence are presented to people who Def don't share your idea of a fair trial and a proper justice system ....what you are doing, and all the other people who think it's Ok to abuse someone without the facts, is WRONG.

[Trasadkel1]

Originally Posted by REDCROP

Who said I was his fan ? You seem very good at making assumptions about people without knowing the facts ....Try and imagine the concept that someone can defend another yet not even be their biggest fan ...I dislike Chloe more than any of them but I would defend her in the exact same way if she was being abused in the way Christian is right now....you know nothing of his reasons for saying what he said. ...you know nothing about the other person involved ...you know nothing about his emotional state of mind at the time or of any of the circumstances leading up to the moment in question .....you also know nothing about me and if you knew much about human nature you would not only realise from watching him that he's not a nasty guy but you would also know that it was obviously just an empty threat .....he clearly wouldn't want his family to know and he's also intelligent enough to know that the girls dad would Def come after him....
His reasons for feeling the need to warn her off we none of us know. ...so we have no right to accuse him of being this awful human being you're so quick to describe ....and me standing up for what's right does not make me disturbed ....if he or anyone else have broken the law then they go to court and have a defense and the facts and the evidence are presented to people who Def don't share your idea of a fair trial and a proper justice system ....what you are doing, and all the other people who think it's Ok to abuse someone without the facts, is WRONG.

This sums it up exactly

[Withano]

Originally Posted by REDCROP

Who said I was his fan ? You seem very good at making assumptions about people without knowing the facts ....Try and imagine the concept that someone can defend another yet not even be their biggest fan ...I dislike Chloe more than any of them but I would defend her in the exact same way if she was being abused in the way Christian is right now....you know nothing of his reasons for saying what he said. ...you know nothing about the other person involved ...you know nothing about his emotional state of mind at the time or of any of the circumstances leading up to the moment in question .....you also know nothing about me and if you knew much about human nature you would not only realise from watching him that he's not a nasty guy but you would also know that it was obviously just an empty threat .....he clearly wouldn't want his family to know and he's also intelligent enough to know that the girls dad would Def come after him....
His reasons for feeling the need to warn her off we none of us know. ...so we have no right to accuse him of being this awful human being you're so quick to describe ....and me standing up for what's right does not make me disturbed ....if he or anyone else have broken the law then they go to court and have a defense and the facts and the evidence are presented to people who Def don't share your idea of a fair trial and a proper justice system ....what you are doing, and all the other people who think it's Ok to abuse someone without the facts, is WRONG.

Well.. You carry on assuming people who choose not to give reasons will secretly have them, the Cristian fans will carry on blindly supporting him and everybody else will carry on judging something on the information that they have.
Youre basically presuming that Cristian is innocent because he might have a very specific set of excuses which he chose to not defend himself with, everybody else made the very reasonable assumption that he doesn't have a defence because he missed a perfect opportunity to defend himself.
You can tell me what I'm doing is wrong if you want but at the end of the night, Cristian did blackmail a girl with a sex tape and her fathers phone number, this is a fact which he announced himself without remorse and only concern for parents finding out he is not a virgin and you came to his defence. So i don't really care for your opinion on right vs wrong.

[tanussa]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well.. You carry on assuming people who choose not to give reasons will secretly have them, the Cristian fans will carry on blindly supporting him and everybody else will carry on judging something on the information that they have.
Youre basically presuming that Cristian is innocent because he might have a very specific set of excuses which he chose to not defend himself with, everybody else made the very reasonable assumption that he doesn't have a defence because he missed a perfect opportunity to defend himself.
You can tell me what I'm doing is wrong if you want but at the end of the night, Cristian did blackmail a girl with a sex tape and her fathers phone number, this is a fact which he announced himself without remorse and only concern for parents finding out he is not a virgin and you came to his defence. So i don't really care for your opinion on right vs wrong.

how do u know cristian missed an opportunity to defend himself. we see barely1 hour a night, edited by BB to their own liking & to fit the time slot. how do u know if cristian did or didnt speak up or speak privately explaining circumstances of said crime, which incidentally blackmail is a crime, so cops will be waiting for him when he gets out will they. stories been in all tabloids.

[tanussa]

Originally Posted by REDCROP

Who said I was his fan ? You seem very good at making assumptions about people without knowing the facts ....Try and imagine the concept that someone can defend another yet not even be their biggest fan ...I dislike Chloe more than any of them but I would defend her in the exact same way if she was being abused in the way Christian is right now....you know nothing of his reasons for saying what he said. ...you know nothing about the other person involved ...you know nothing about his emotional state of mind at the time or of any of the circumstances leading up to the moment in question .....you also know nothing about me and if you knew much about human nature you would not only realise from watching him that he's not a nasty guy but you would also know that it was obviously just an empty threat .....he clearly wouldn't want his family to know and he's also intelligent enough to know that the girls dad would Def come after him....
His reasons for feeling the need to warn her off we none of us know. ...so we have no right to accuse him of being this awful human being you're so quick to describe ....and me standing up for what's right does not make me disturbed ....if he or anyone else have broken the law then they go to court and have a defense and the facts and the evidence are presented to people who Def don't share your idea of a fair trial and a proper justice system ....what you are doing, and all the other people who think it's Ok to abuse someone without the facts, is WRONG.

agree 100%. but u'll never convince people who want to pick at every single thing their targeted HM does. lost cause.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by tanussa

agree 100%. but u'll never convince people who want to pick at every single thing their targeted HM does. lost cause.

We had the same with Marc,annoying isn't it?

[REDCROP]

Originally Posted by tanussa

agree 100%. but u'll never convince people who want to pick at every single thing their targeted HM does. lost cause.

I agree, and thanks, I've done my part on here now....i just had to defend him some how cause no one seemed to be doing it...

[VanessaFeltz.]

I think Producers are bigger scandals this year tbh

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by MelihV

I think Producers are bigger scandals this year tbh

They know they went too far. They implied that Cristian blackmailed his ex, which is false. He should sue them, to be honest.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They know they went too far. They implied that Cristian blackmailed his ex, which is false. He should sue them, to be honest.

Every hm should sue them.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by MelihV

Every hm should sue them.

Last night on Bots they were on damage limitation. Too late.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Last night on Bots they were on damage limitation. Too late.

Bots is disgusting it should get axed asap

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They know they went too far. They implied that Cristian blackmailed his ex, which is false. He should sue them, to be honest.

Cristian implied that.. When he said that he did exactly that

[REDCROP]

Last week the BOTS panel openly said Harry was mentally disturbed, a danger to herself and possibly others and needed to be taken away ....this week they're saying Christian is sinister and a vile criminal ....Those people on that show and all the ones on here who support these false allegations are no different and no better than Helen who accused someone of being a psycho and looking like a rapist ....only exception is she only said someone looked like a criminal where as you're actually saying Christian IS one ...

[REDCROP]

Sorry folks for banging on about it but I can not sit back on this one ...I feel very very strongly about it ....BB have well and truly tried to shaft this lad in the final days before the final ....I'm gonna vote a few times for my winner but I'm also gonna call in a vote for Christian ...if you share my opinion then please try and do the same .

[REDCROP]

You have such strong views on appropriate behaviour in that black and white world you describe.... you're obviously not a Chloe Fan or a Danny fan either....good luck with your quest to get people to agree with your one sided point of view.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by REDCROP

You have such strong views on appropriate behaviour in that black and white world you describe.... you're obviously not a Chloe Fan or a Danny fan either....good luck with your quest to get people to agree with your one sided point of view.

I don't mind Chloe at all.. You're very good at making assumptions about people without knowing the facts

[REDCROP]

Originally Posted by Withano

I don't mind Chloe at all.. You're very good at making assumptions about people without knowing the facts

So you have a problem with someone who only threatened to break the law but you're fine with someone who actually did break the law and spent time in jail ?...i do not need to waste any more of my time then ....i'm not a Christian fan I'm a Joel fan....my views are based on what i see as right and wrong...yours would appear to be biased and based only on who you do and don't like...i can't continue a conversation based on that hypocrisy sorry....good luck with that

[REDCROP]

Christian doesn't have to defend himself to anybody...........ironically it's BB who do....some heads will probably roll because of it....housemates used to be protected with censorship laws to protect them from mindless witch hunters and to avoid any libel action to the show ...as far as i understand thats still the same

[tanussa]

obviously all HMs r targeted at times but some wont let the cristian sex tape thing go. if u cant see redcrops reasoning in all this then theres truly no hope. redcrops points were extremely valid. its not just b/w

[bots]

Cristian spoke about the tape in the house. Cristian spoke about it with BB in the house. Cristian then went on to speak with Danny about it. Every time it has been shown in the H/L, Cristian has done himself no favours in the way he has discussed it. Any comments about him are fair game, he was the one that was being a dick threatening his then girlfriend

[tanussa]

heard of editing. BB do it all the time. I watch clips on BB ap then later in 1 hour show same clip has been shortened

[REDCROP]

Be a turn up if he wins tonight and its actually the girl who puts the video on line to make herself famous :-) :-) Bye folks...happy final x x