[The_Hitman]

Originally posted by ttw

Nonsense. The world is not black and white sweetheart. Learn to understand the shades of grey.

Hm, your comment has absolutely no substance to me "sweetheart".. please explain what you mean by the shades of grey I am missing out..

Are you sayin "chav" is not a prejudice word?

Is it not used, especially by the media, to tarnish a subculture of a poorer community, and does it not lead to generalisation and stereotypical views.

Isit because it is not used as a direct term for someone's colour, so it therefore doesn't matter.

As, if Jade is a chav, and as that is what she is, you can therefore call her a chav and it is acceptable, why is it not acceptable for Jackiey to call Shilpa "the indian girl" if she has trouble pronouncing her name, as that is what she is now isn't? Sweetheart [/quote]

Listen sweetheart, the last thing I want to do is get into some tedious discussion about semantics and what applies to what.

I'm saying that racism is a profoundly different debate than simple everyday discrimination. Discrimination can be found everywhere you look to an extent, so if you want to start highlighting it all, youre not going to have any time to do anything else. It is too big an issue to tackle in this day in age.

Racism however, is more clearly defined, and a suitable place to start the debate. It is also the significantly more severe aspect as it represents absolute intolerance. If you dont see this, then ill leave you to tackle the problem of ALL THE WORLDS discrimination problems on your own. Best of luck sweetheart.

[James]

Ok...

Calling a poster 'sweetheart', describing posts as 'nonsense', and saying anothe forum members is 'ignorant' (as was said in the edited post above) are all against the rule of the forum which says other members' views should be respected

If it continues warnings / posting bans will be given.

And this debate about the word 'chav' is not about the house, it's about forum discussion. This word has not been used in the house. Please stick to discussion about BB and the housemates, and not forum members.

[ttw]

Originally posted by The_Hitman

Hm, your comment has absolutely no substance to me "sweetheart".. please explain what you mean by the shades of grey I am missing out..

Are you sayin "chav" is not a prejudice word?

Is it not used, especially by the media, to tarnish a subculture of a poorer community, and does it not lead to generalisation and stereotypical views.

Isit because it is not used as a direct term for someone's colour, so it therefore doesn't matter.

As, if Jade is a chav, and as that is what she is, you can therefore call her a chav and it is acceptable, why is it not acceptable for Jackiey to call Shilpa "the indian girl" if she has trouble pronouncing her name, as that is what she is now isn't? Sweetheart

Listen sweetheart, the last thing I want to do is get into some tedious discussion about semantics and what applies to what.

I'm saying that racism is a profoundly different debate than simple everyday discrimination. Discrimination can be found everywhere you look to an extent, so if you want to start highlighting it all, youre not going to have any time to do anything else. It is too big an issue to tackle in this day in age.

Racism however, is more clearly defined, and a suitable place to start the debate. It is also the significantly more severe aspect as it represents absolute intolerance. If you dont see this, then ill leave you to tackle the problem of ALL THE WORLDS discrimination problems on your own. Best of luck sweetheart. [/quote]

In no part of my text did I begin to highlight irrelevant cases of discrimination or tackle all of the worlds discrimination, other than the usage of the word 'chav', which is relevant as people have been using it.

I wasn't discussing racism and saying 'hey but you're just as bad cos u called Jade a chav' so I am therefore not trying to compare the two in terms of which is worse, I in no way take racism lightly.

I was discussing Shilpa cooking chicken, I then noticed people were calling Jade a chav and as I feel chav is a discriminate word I decided to say something in regards to this.

Of course the worlds full of grey and not everything is black and white, but there is still a distinct line between what is right and wrong, and discrimination (however everyday and simple it may be) isn't right.

[ttw]

Originally posted by James
Ok...

Calling a poster 'sweetheart', describing posts as 'nonsense', and saying anothe forum members is 'ignorant' (as was said in the edited post above) are all against the rule of the forum which says other members' views should be respected

If it continues warnings / posting bans will be given.

And this debate about the word 'chav' is not about the house, it's about forum discussion. This word has not been used in the house. Please stick to discussion about BB and the housemates, and not forum members.

Apologies, my last post was written before I had seen this.