[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

if they leave - which they can any time
they must not return to English Streets
as then they go to the Island Camp

"Yeah you can leave at any time... except if you do, we'll kidnap you and maroon you on an island with the rest of the undesirables."

It's nonsense. I'm hesitant to say that it's a troll Arista, because I know you have a quirky way of putting your point across but... yeah... it feels a bit like a troll thread

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Yeah you can leave at any time... except if you do, we'll kidnap you and maroon you on an island with the rest of the undesirables."

It's nonsense. I'm hesitant to say that it's a troll Arista, because I know you have a quirky way of putting your point across but... yeah... it feels a bit like a troll thread

No the Boat has a cabin for them
each.


TS do not put me as a troll.
you are being silly.


We want the Homeless improved
and No longer without a Home

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

No these are folks Sleeping on
England Streets

A warm Old army shed
well help there Education
and any medical needs


You could be a great adviser
telling the folks its best to use this facility
as if they leave - which they can any time
they must not return to English Streets
as then they go to the Island Camp.
You would help so many homeless

We would love to have you on board.

Oh you mean like old folks homes and facilities for those with mental health issues... Close them all down in communities and just open one huge gulag?

No, I won't be advocating that sorry.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh you mean like old folks homes and facilities for those with mental health issues... Close them all down in communities and just open one huge gulag?

No, I won't be advocating that sorry.

Thats Fine

Many new Building Projects
using old Ship Containers
will be made into homes for them.

That is being done right now

And a travel lodge has a Hotel converted

Every Long Container for the homeless
has new windows Shower , bog,
kitchen , bed and freeview TV

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh you mean like old folks homes and facilities for those with mental health issues... Close them all down in communities and just open one huge gulag?

No, I won't be advocating that sorry.

Nor me, not on what I have seen presented here.

Obviously a genuine care package with the right people in support would be welcome but I see no reason to remove people from society in effect to do that and so for me I view this proposal with a lot of suspicion as to its real intentions.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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Nor me, not on what I have seen presented here.

Obviously a genuine care package with the right people in support would be welcome but I see no reason to remove people from society in effect to do that and so for me I view this proposal with a lot of suspicion as to its real intentions.

Yes Joey
we will have those people
in our New Community Sheds.
Army Troops will keep out
Activists trying to put a spanner in the works.

Drunks will be removed from English Streets
there is no need for them - at all.

[Kizzy]

You should name them Arista vistas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

at least the workhouse dealt with vagrancy

now we just shriek and hide our eyes


There is no point just sayin g "!oh we cant do this and we cant do that, its 2016 you know"

Yes that is great we can identify problems and we can look at the past and hold out noses

But if we dont offer a solution then we are worse than the Victorians, who did

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

at least the workhouse dealt with vagrancy

now we just shriek and hide our eyes


There is no point just sayin g "!oh we cant do this and we cant do that, its 2016 you know"

Yes that is great we can identify problems and we can look at the past and hold out noses

But if we dont offer a solution then we are worse than the Victorians, who did

We had a solution... 'care in the community' What an oxymoron.

[arista]

"By hiding away the underclass?"


No DR
they are relocated
but can leave that camp at any time they wish
so long as they do not return to Our Public Streets
and stand there begging.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

"By hiding away the underclass?"


No DR
they are relocated
but can leave that camp at any time they wish
so long as they do not return to Our Public Streets
and stand there begging.

Get them in the community sheds

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

"By hiding away the underclass?"


No DR
they are relocated
but can leave that camp at any time they wish
so long as they do not return to Our Public Streets
and stand there begging.

Where does gentrification end and national socialism begin?

[Kizzy]

It begins...
Homeless people could be fined up to Ł1,000 for sleeping in doorways near popular tourist spots, under new rules launched by a London council.
It’s not clear how destitute rough sleepers are expected to pay.
Hackney Council’s Public Space Protection Order bans sleeping in public places – offenders are handed a Ł100 fixed penalty, which can rise to Ł1,000 in court.
Homelessness charities have condemned the move, saying that it turns rough sleepers – who are often escaping lives of abuse – into criminals.
A similar protection order was proposed by Oxford City Council, but the council backed off after a petition against the move garnered 72,000 signatures.
Matt Downie of homelessness charity Crisis said, ‘Rough sleepers deserve better than to be treated as a nuisance – they may have suffered a relationship breakdown, a bereavement or domestic abuse.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/homele...rough-5226481/

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It begins...
Homeless people could be fined up to Ł1,000 for sleeping in doorways near popular tourist spots, under new rules launched by a London council.
It’s not clear how destitute rough sleepers are expected to pay.
Hackney Council’s Public Space Protection Order bans sleeping in public places – offenders are handed a Ł100 fixed penalty, which can rise to Ł1,000 in court.
Homelessness charities have condemned the move, saying that it turns rough sleepers – who are often escaping lives of abuse – into criminals.
A similar protection order was proposed by Oxford City Council, but the council backed off after a petition against the move garnered 72,000 signatures.
Matt Downie of homelessness charity Crisis said, ‘Rough sleepers deserve better than to be treated as a nuisance – they may have suffered a relationship breakdown, a bereavement or domestic abuse.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/homele...rough-5226481/

Yes Kizzy
I am not alone in getting England
Great again.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Kizzy
I am not alone in getting England
Great again.

Define 'great'.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Define 'great'.

A Better Nation
like no other.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by arista

A Better Nation
like no other.

Bang on right Arista and better for everyone too!
That's why so many folk cross several countries just to get here.

This used to be a great country until labour got in and spent all the money but now with the right man in charge paying back all the money that labour stupidly borrowed I do believe that our David will get this country back on it's feet in no time at all and back to being GREAT once more!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

A Better Nation
like no other.

Supremacy?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It begins...
Homeless people could be fined up to Ł1,000 for sleeping in doorways near popular tourist spots, under new rules launched by a London council.
It’s not clear how destitute rough sleepers are expected to pay.
Hackney Council’s Public Space Protection Order bans sleeping in public places – offenders are handed a Ł100 fixed penalty, which can rise to Ł1,000 in court.
Homelessness charities have condemned the move, saying that it turns rough sleepers – who are often escaping lives of abuse – into criminals.
A similar protection order was proposed by Oxford City Council, but the council backed off after a petition against the move garnered 72,000 signatures.
Matt Downie of homelessness charity Crisis said, ‘Rough sleepers deserve better than to be treated as a nuisance – they may have suffered a relationship breakdown, a bereavement or domestic abuse.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/homele...rough-5226481/

I find it strange that people like you and me can be so concerned and upset by this sort of policy whilst others think its a great idea.

I don't know about you but I've never been in a position of becoming or nearly becoming homeless but then I've got a great support network around me. I'd get bailed out long before things got bad.

I'd love to understand what makes people so heartless.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I find it strange that people like you and me can be so concerned and upset by this sort of policy whilst others think its a great idea.

I don't know about you but I've never been in a position of becoming or nearly becoming homeless but then I've got a great support network around me. I'd get bailed out long before things got bad.

I'd love to understand what makes people so heartless.

They haven't read my sig obv

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I find it strange that people like you and me can be so concerned and upset by this sort of policy whilst others think its a great idea.

I don't know about you but I've never been in a position of becoming or nearly becoming homeless but then I've got a great support network around me. I'd get bailed out long before things got bad.

I'd love to understand what makes people so heartless.

Here we go again; yet another post which indicts anyone with a different prespective of being 'heartless', 'uncaring', 'selfish' - and WRONG.

The 'Left' has neither a monopoly on the TRUTH, nor on genuinely CARING about other less fortunate people, and it is arrogant and offensive to suggest that those of us who do not glibly oversimplify complex social problems AND their solutions, are 'heartless'.

Why don't you start by responding to my long post on this subject?

I welcome your comments.

My problem with these over simplistic views is that they NEVER differentiate between those who are in GENUINE need of help with accomodation through being sociallly inept, and those who are BEYOND any type of help because they ABUSE EVERY single bit of help which is given to them.

It is the same with those in receipt of BENEFITS - HUGE numbers of people in receipt of diverse types of benefit are SCAMMING the system, and by so doing are actually INJURING the genuine needy by depriving them of the much needed EXTRA money and resources which would otherwise - eventually - be given to them to alleviate their suffering.

YET - to a man - the Left Wing on here NEVER even ADMIT that these scammers and accomodation abusers exist - or if they do, they mitigate both their numbers and the extent of their adverse impact upon the - already - spartan Welfare budget.

This 'scatter gun' methodology of peppering the threads with pro-Left, anti-Government rhetoric and hyperbole in NUMBERS does not wash with me.

As terrible as the phrase is - 'Beggars Can't Be Choosers' is as true now as it's always been, and if living in modern, clean bright homes as Arista proposes is NOT better than sleeping unwashed and cold on the streets, then I - for one would welcome YOUR solution.

Just for the record; I HAVE been homeless and I HAVE been poverty-stricken - and I mean REAL poverty.

Sometimes, it is impossible to help some people who do not WANT help or who do not VALUE help, or those who will NOT help themselves, and it is also NOT FAIR to continue to WASTE money and resources on these people, when there ARE so many GENUINE cases who not only DO WANT and NEED help, but who would APPRECIATE it.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Here we go again; yet another post which indicts anyone with a different prespective of being 'heartless', 'uncaring', 'selfish' - and WRONG.

The 'Left' has neither a monopoly on the TRUTH, nor on genuinely CARING about other less fortunate people, and it is arrogant and offensive to suggest that those of us who do not glibly oversimplify complex social problems AND their solutions, are 'heartless'.

Why don't you start by responding to my long post on this subject?

I welcome your comments.

My problem with these over simplistic views is that they NEVER differentiate between those who are in GENUINE need of help with accomodation through being sociallly inept, and those who are BEYOND any type of help because they ABUSE EVERY single bit of help which is given to them.

It is the same with those in receipt of BENEFITS - HUGE numbers of people in receipt of diverse types of benefit are SCAMMING the system, and by so doing are actually INJURING the genuine needy by depriving them of the much needed EXTRA money and resources which would otherwise - eventually - be given to them to alleviate their suffering.

YET - to a man - the Left Wing on here NEVER even ADMIT that these scammers and accomodation abusers exist - or if they do, they mitigate both their numbers and the extent of their adverse impact upon the - already - spartan Welfare budget.

This 'scatter gun' methodology of peppering the threads with pro-Left, anti-Government rhetoric and hyperbole in NUMBERS does not wash with me.

As terrible as the phrase is - 'Beggars Can't Be Choosers' is as true now as it's always been, and if living in modern, clean bright homes as Arista proposes is NOT better than sleeping unwashed and cold on the streets, then I - for one would welcome YOUR solution.

Just for the record; I HAVE been homeless and I HAVE been poverty-stricken - and I mean REAL poverty.

Sometimes, it is impossible to help some people who do not WANT help or who do not VALUE help, or those who will NOT help themselves, and it is also NOT FAIR to continue to WASTE money and resources on these people, when there ARE so many GENUINE cases who not only DO WANT and NEED help, but who would APPRECIATE it.

Great post Kirk!
You and many others on here are wising up and noticing that every left wing (whinge) post is really never actually about the subject matter at hand. It's really just another excuse to slag off this government that feeds and waters them. You'd think they'd be over losing the general election by now. I swear to you Kirk that if our Dave opened the flood gates on immigration tomorrow and let everyone in these left wingers (whingers) would still find something to complain about.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Great post Kirk!
You and many others on here are wising up and noticing that every left wing (whinge) post is really never actually about the subject matter at hand. It's really just another excuse to slag off this government that feeds and waters them. You'd think they'd be over losing the general election by now. I swear to you Kirk that if our Dave opened the flood gates on immigration tomorrow and let everyone in these left wingers (whingers) would still find something to complain about.

Wait...what???

What is left wing about my post? Point out to me what I said that was left wing?

[arista]

"In Arista's defence - He is right. "

Thank you Kirk
Great post from you,

[joeysteele]

Actually as has been stated on programme after programme on TV when debating those on benefits, the real amount of scammers is estimated as being extremely small indeed and not 'huge' numbers at all.
hence why, once a freak case comes along great play is made of it in the media because there are really so few they can unearth.

Another great 'generalisation to belittle benefits claimants by claiming that, (without any supporting evidence whatsoever), that large numbers are scamming the system.

Any scammers should be caught and taken off benefits but making it sound like the problem is rife in the system is possibly,in my opinion,massively misleading.

Probably far more being wrongly refused benefits, having benefits cut or stopped altogether, occur more than those scamming the benefit system.

There is even welfare funding set aside for what should be claimed by some, who don't and maybe have no idea they are entitled to the extra benefits too, no one does anything to find those people who should have it however.

This removing the homeless from cities too,taking them away from towns to sheds and supposedly seeing to them there, stinks to me too.
It sounds more like prison camps than genuine help and support.