[Northern Monkey]

For the record as one of my posts vanished.
I do not agree with Winston about gay couples adopting being "child abuse".
I think that is an extreme view and is innaccurate.Do i think same sex parents are ideal?No but i would'nt stop them adopting as there alot of kids that need homes and "not ideal" does'nt necessarily mean bad.

[AnnieK]

Anyone who has been through or even looked into adoption will know what a long and intrusive procedure it is. It is not that easy to be approved, you have to go through all manner of checks, panels, interviews, probing and quite insulting at times questioning. Your whole life becomes transparent and looked into....anyone who goes through this process and are approved (same sex, couples or single people) have to prove, prove and double prove that they are completely committed so the child placed will have a balanced, secure and loving home. Plus, I would bet my life that all same sex couple or single parents have close friends and family members of the opposite sex who will each play their part in the upbringing of a child.

In short, anyone who goes through the process regardless or race, gender or sexual orientation deserves some respect IMO and are equally capable of raising a loved, wanted and balanced child

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Anyone who has been through or even looked into adoption will know what a long and intrusive procedure it is. It is not that easy to be approved, you have to go through all manner of checks, panels, interviews, probing and quite insulting at times questioning. Your whole life becomes transparent and looked into....anyone who goes through this process and are approved (same sex, couples or single people) have to prove, prove and double prove that they are completely committed so the child placed will have a balanced, secure and loving home. Plus, I would bet my life that all same sex couple or single parents have close friends and family members of the opposite sex who will each play their part in the upbringing of a child.

In short, anyone who goes through the process regardless or race, gender or sexual orientation deserves some respect IMO and are equally capable of raising a loved, wanted and balanced child

Great post Annie

[ThriceShy]

Well I will nail my colours to the mast. I agree with Winston. I think a child has the right to have a mother. Just my opinion. And nobody has the right to tell me I am not entitled to it.

I thought Winston handled himself impeccably.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Well I will nail my colours to the mast. I agree with Winston. I think a child has the right to have a mother. Just my opinion. And nobody has the right to tell me I am not entitled to it.

I thought Winston handled himself impeccably.

You may agree with that but how can you agree with it being likened to child abuse? Children are genuinely abused every day. It's mocking real child abuse to think that having gay parents is child abuse.

[jet]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Well I will nail my colours to the mast. I agree with Winston. I think a child has the right to have a mother. Just my opinion. And nobody has the right to tell me I am not entitled to it.

I thought Winston handled himself impeccably.

But that isn't the issue. The issue is that Winston thinks same sex adoption is akin to child abuse. How is it abuse when the couple have to go through a harrowing selection process in order to give a child a loving home?

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by jet

But that isn't the issue. The issue is that Winston thinks same sex adoption is akin to child abuse. How is it abuse when the couple have to go through a harrowing selection process in order to give a child a loving home?

I think depriving a child of a mother is abusive.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I think depriving a child of a mother is abusive.

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

Oh noes. We will have Emma Willis telling us off like naughty children now! We are pariahs.

Winston's opinion is probably shared by at least half the country. hence why he got more votes than nancy and they had to fix it. It isn't an unreasonable opinion whatsoever.

The way he was being treated you would have thought he had said Jimmy Savile was a misunderstood good guy.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

Same

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

A child don't need a mother and father, a child needs parent(s) yes but it can be two fathers/two mothers/only a father/only a mother/mother and father..why do they need a father and mother? A child would be loved just as much with anyone tbh.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by jet

But that isn't the issue. The issue is that Winston thinks same sex adoption is akin to child abuse. How is it abuse when the couple have to go through a harrowing selection process in order to give a child a loving home?

But, as shown last night that harrowing selection process doesnt always work.

[jet]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But, as shown last night that harrowing selection process doesnt always work.

It doesn't always work with opposite sex couples either. They can abuse children too. Nothings perfect. The point is they try to match a child with parents he/she will thrive with and be loved by, they just don't give them away nilly willy. I doubt very much that many paedophiles would pretend to be gay and go through that whole lengthy process to get a child to abuse. Just because it's happened a few times doesn't mean it's worth discussing. It's not because it's not an issue that is at all prevalent.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by jet

It doesn't always work with same sex couples either. They can abuse children too. Nothings perfect. The point is they try to match a child with parents he/she will thrive with and be loved by, they just don't give them away nilly willy. I doubt very much that many paedophiles would pretend to be gay and go through that whole lengthy process to get a child to abuse. Just because it's happened a few times doesn't mean it's worth discussing. It's not because it's not an issue that is at all prevalent.

The fact that it fails once is enough for me to find it far more of an important subject to discuss than anything else mentioned in this thread. But each to their own.

[Vicky.]

Spoiler:

Not sure if this will show big enough to read..but its the best I can do. If the posts are re-instated, fair enough. I have asked for someone else to look at it anyway...

I am done here...can't believe theres a kickoff about this tbh. I honestly thought it would be understood why that link was deemed offensive and inflammatory

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am amazed that they let paedos adopt babies

whether the babies are gay or not


what is the world coming to?

[Vicky.]

Not this could make a decent serious debates thread..the does a child need two parents thing. and why. Personally I don't think they do, plenty of people I know have been brought up just fine with single parents (mums and dads alike). I do not know anyone who has gay parents but I assume its the same for them.

[bots]

Its an interesting subject for sure, and just to provide a little abstraction. There have been plenty animals in the wild that have been adopted and reared by other parents, be they animal or human with quite spectacular results.

[Vicky.]

The only way I can see having same sex parents as affecting the child is because the child will be more of a target for bullying. I believe this has been discussed on here before too.

I do not think same sex adoption should not happen because of this, I mean kids are bullied for all sorts of reasons anyway. Plus once its more common for gay couples to have kids, it will be less of an 'issue'. But I am just pointing out the only way I can see for it to affect a child. Unless there is more I am missing?

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The only way I can see having same sex parents as affecting the child is because the child will be more of a target for bullying. I believe this has been discussed on here before too.

I do not think same sex adoption should not happen because of this, I mean kids are bullied for all sorts of reasons anyway. Plus once its more common for gay couples to have kids, it will be less of an 'issue'. But I am just pointing out the only way I can see for it to affect a child. Unless there is more I am missing?

And if it's a baby that's adopted it won't be able to drink its mother's breast milk but that's about it

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

And if it's a baby that's adopted it won't be able to drink its mother's breast milk but that's about it

I guess, but even if the baby wasn't adopted there is no guarantee it would be breastfeeding anyway. And if a heterosexual couple/single person adopted the child it wouldn't be drinking its mothers breastmilk either.

I just fail to see any reason why same sex parents would affect the child...I am trying to but I haven't even seen a reason posted yet besides 'a child needs a mother and a father'

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I guess, but even if the baby wasn't adopted there is no guarantee it would be breastfeeding anyway. And if a heterosexual couple/single person adopted the child it wouldn't be drinking its mothers breastmilk either.

I just fail to see any reason why same sex parents would affect the child...I am trying to but I haven't even seen a reason posted yet besides 'a child needs a mother and a father'

I agree with you I was just trying to think of a reason

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I agree with you I was just trying to think of a reason

Oh yeah..well so far we have

the kid may be bullied
the kid will not be able to drink its mothers breastmilk

Anymore?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The only way I can see having same sex parents as affecting the child is because the child will be more of a target for bullying. I believe this has been discussed on here before too.

I do not think same sex adoption should not happen because of this, I mean kids are bullied for all sorts of reasons anyway. Plus once its more common for gay couples to have kids, it will be less of an 'issue'. But I am just pointing out the only way I can see for it to affect a child. Unless there is more I am missing?

..indeed, children can be bullied for many reasons regardless of who their parents are and I have never found in our school, any child being specifically bullied because their parents are gay..in some cases, a curiosity has been provoked because children are naturally curious of many things...but that's a good thing, I think because it's an opportunity to explain, different types of families, which they learn about anyway...a child questioning is a good thing and dispels prejudice in their lives...

[Shaun]

The kid will have nothing to spend money on for Mothers Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!