[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The discussion was that some would, only fools would think otherwise vicky. Couldnt it have been moved to serious debates, is it still possible to do that or are they all deleted for good..thanks for the reply though, and your right, we dont want to upset those paedophiles when there's an aging old dinasour to attack.

Yeah this was the reason...don't want to upset paedos by insinuating that they are gay

And no, deleted posts are still here. I don't think the way a lot of them were worded would make a decent SD thread though tbh. Was all rather inflammatory and accusatory at times too.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

You want to tie a discussion about paedophilia into a thread about gay adoption?

What the actual **** is going on here!!!

The thread is actually about wether gay adoption is child abuse and seeing as paedophilia is child abuse then i thought it was a natural link to make, pity the mods deleted all posts made from all points of view last night because you could then have made a better judgement before being all aghast.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah this was the reason...don't want to upset paedos by insinuating that they are gay

And no, deleted posts are still here. I don't think the way a lot of them were worded would make a decent SD thread though tbh. Was all rather inflammatory and accusatory at times too.

But is that not just in your eyes? Or whoever deleted them. Cant you put them back up and let the forum users decide?

As far as im aware there was no insulting. It is a subject i and many on here feel very strongly about.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The thread is actually about wether gay adoption is child abuse and seeing as paedophilia is child abuse then i thought it was a natural link to make, pity the mods deleted all posts made from all points of view last night because you could then have made a better judgement before being all aghast.

just want to mention that paedophiles are devious and would stop at nothing to get a child....just saying.

People asked are you serious...

true though, nothing stopping 2 of them getting together to try and adopt.

This was the level of intellect of the discussion of pedos on this thread last night. Granted this was only the start, or how it was brought up. It went on for several posts...pretty much the same way

Paedophiles were randomly brought up. Then it was discussed about how they could get together and pose as a gay couple to get a child to abuse. It was pointed out that paedophilia is not limited to gays and is evenly spread between homos and heteros...yet the link between gay adoption and paedophiles continued to be made.


Anyone else that thinks that this conversation was at all relevant to the matter at hand or could possibly have gone anywhere besides offending a ****load of people for no reason, feel free to tell me. I will also ask another mod to look over this thread and re-instate the original posts if they feel I was wrong. But I really don't feel I was.

[ThriceShy]

Incredible that my posts were deleted. They were only links to two relevant news articles in the IBTimes and the DailyMail.

The censorship on here is unbelievable.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, individuals have their strengths and weaknesses, collectively genders are neither weak nor strong.

Alright then.Can't wait until they include women in the Worlds Strongest Man competition.They can just call it Worlds Strongest Person so as not to be sexist.Maybe we'll get a female champion in the first year?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Incredible that my posts were deleted. They were only links to two relevant news articles in the IBTimes and the DailyMail.

The censorship on here is unbelievable.

As the rest of the convo was deleted, the links on their own would make no sense...and would appear that you are randomly bringing up pedohpiles in a thread about gay adoption...

[Northern Monkey]

For the record as one of my posts vanished.
I do not agree with Winston about gay couples adopting being "child abuse".
I think that is an extreme view and is innaccurate.Do i think same sex parents are ideal?No but i would'nt stop them adopting as there alot of kids that need homes and "not ideal" does'nt necessarily mean bad.

[Beso]

If your going to belittle someone about their intellect then at least spell paedo correctly fgs.

Still stand by my point about paedophiles being devious enough that two male ones would and have got together in order to gain a child by posing as a gay couple so they could adopt.

Considering paedophiles spend years grooming a victim i find it astonishing that you mock my point about them being devious enough to do this.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As the rest of the convo was deleted, the links on their own would make no sense...and would appear that you are randomly bringing up pedohpiles in a thread about gay adoption...

The thread is about winston's view that gay adoption is child abuse. Paedophilia could not be more relevant to the thread. And the articles I linked to clearly showed gay couples being convicted of abusing the kids they adopted.

It is purely censorship to remove those posts.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If your going to belittle someone about their intellect then at least spell paedo correctly fgs.

Still stand by my point about paedophiles being devious enough that two male ones would and have got together in order to gain a child by posing as a gay couple so they could adopt.

Considering paedophiles spend years grooming a victim i find it astonishing that you mock my point about them being devious enough to do this.

I don't mock the point at all I don't doubt that it may happen sometimes...

I just think that random discussions about paedophilia have no place in a thread about gay adoption. As I said I have now asked others to look over the thread, if they disagree and think it is natural to link gay adoption with paedophilia, the posts will be reinstated.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If your going to belittle someone about their intellect then at least spell paedo correctly fgs.

Still stand by my point about paedophiles being devious enough that two male ones would and have got together in order to gain a child by posing as a gay couple so they could adopt.

Considering paedophiles spend years grooming a victim i find it astonishing that you mock my point about them being devious enough to do this.

It happens a lot as my censored links demonstrated.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The thread is about winston's view that gay adoption is child abuse. Paedophilia could not be more relevant to the thread. And the articles I linked to clearly showed gay couples being convicted of abusing the kids they adopted.

It is purely censorship to remove those posts.

Fine. I can live with that

As I said I have asked this to be looked over anyway.

[AnnieK]

Anyone who has been through or even looked into adoption will know what a long and intrusive procedure it is. It is not that easy to be approved, you have to go through all manner of checks, panels, interviews, probing and quite insulting at times questioning. Your whole life becomes transparent and looked into....anyone who goes through this process and are approved (same sex, couples or single people) have to prove, prove and double prove that they are completely committed so the child placed will have a balanced, secure and loving home. Plus, I would bet my life that all same sex couple or single parents have close friends and family members of the opposite sex who will each play their part in the upbringing of a child.

In short, anyone who goes through the process regardless or race, gender or sexual orientation deserves some respect IMO and are equally capable of raising a loved, wanted and balanced child

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As the rest of the convo was deleted, the links on their own would make no sense...and would appear that you are randomly bringing up pedohpiles in a thread about gay adoption...

A thread about winstons views that gay adoption is child abuse, not just gay adoption.

[ThriceShy]

Well I will nail my colours to the mast. I agree with Winston. I think a child has the right to have a mother. Just my opinion. And nobody has the right to tell me I am not entitled to it.

I thought Winston handled himself impeccably.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Well I will nail my colours to the mast. I agree with Winston. I think a child has the right to have a mother. Just my opinion. And nobody has the right to tell me I am not entitled to it.

I thought Winston handled himself impeccably.

You may agree with that but how can you agree with it being likened to child abuse? Children are genuinely abused every day. It's mocking real child abuse to think that having gay parents is child abuse.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't mock the point at all I don't doubt that it may happen sometimes...

I just think that random discussions about paedophilia have no place in a thread about gay adoption. As I said I have now asked others to look over the thread, if they disagree and think it is natural to link gay adoption with paedophilia, the posts will be reinstated.

Well you did say "this is the level of intellect"

But i accept your decision, and thank you for looking into it.

[Vicky.]

Spoiler:

Not sure if this will show big enough to read..but its the best I can do. If the posts are re-instated, fair enough. I have asked for someone else to look at it anyway...

I am done here...can't believe theres a kickoff about this tbh. I honestly thought it would be understood why that link was deemed offensive and inflammatory

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Alright then.Can't wait until they include women in the Worlds Strongest Man competition.They can just call it Worlds Strongest Person so as not to be sexist.Maybe we'll get a female champion in the first year?

Is this somehow meant to be reasoning as to why same sex couples can't provide as good an upbringing as a straight couple? I don't get it.

Originally Posted by parmnion

Still stand by my point about paedophiles being devious enough that two male ones would and have got together in order to gain a child by posing as a gay couple so they could adopt.

The gross insinuation in this thread that gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt because they might secretly be paedophiles... it just amazes me that some people's minds work like that. I actually feel really sorry for anyone who thinks like that. AnnieK made a great point about the adoption procedure. I happen to know a single gay man who has adopted a child and they dug into every aspect of his life and his past, and not only his but his family's and those close to him. This whole discussion is crazy tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am amazed that they let paedos adopt babies

whether the babies are gay or not


what is the world coming to?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Is this somehow meant to be reasoning as to why same sex couples can't provide as good an upbringing as a straight couple? I don't get it.



The gross insinuation in this thread that gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt because they might secretly be paedophiles... it just amazes me that some people's minds work like that. I actually feel really sorry for anyone who thinks like that. AnnieK made a great point about the adoption procedure. I happen to know a single gay man who has adopted a child and they dug into every aspect of his life and his past, and not only his but his family's and those close to him. This whole discussion is crazy tbh.

No mate its about paedophiles being devious bastards who will, and have used gay adoption as a loophole to abuse..its the system that needs looked into to ensure that it is impossible for them to do it, because so far some have managed to fool the authorities. Of course gay couples should be allowed adopt its crazy to suggest otherwise.

I would like to see the questioning, i mean is it as simple as are you a paedophile?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Is this somehow meant to be reasoning as to why same sex couples can't provide as good an upbringing as a straight couple? I don't get it.

It was a direct reply to this post by Kizzy -
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
"No, individuals have their strengths and weaknesses, collectively genders are neither weak nor strong."

My point being that men and women both have different strengths.It's nice to think that each gender can be as good at everything and sex plays no role.However it is innacurate.For instance boys have a shorter attention span when learning.They thrive more with shorter lesson times wheras girls are fine with longer or shorter classes.The genders are different no matter whether we want them to be or not.
Women can provide a certain emotional support to children that men generally don't.Kids respond differently to women than men.There are certain things a kid might feel more comfortable telling their mum or dad.

[jet]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Well I will nail my colours to the mast. I agree with Winston. I think a child has the right to have a mother. Just my opinion. And nobody has the right to tell me I am not entitled to it.

I thought Winston handled himself impeccably.

But that isn't the issue. The issue is that Winston thinks same sex adoption is akin to child abuse. How is it abuse when the couple have to go through a harrowing selection process in order to give a child a loving home?

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by jet

But that isn't the issue. The issue is that Winston thinks same sex adoption is akin to child abuse. How is it abuse when the couple have to go through a harrowing selection process in order to give a child a loving home?

I think depriving a child of a mother is abusive.