[Lstan]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Thats a stupid comment.

Tiff was a good housemate but I think her failure to show any respect about her mix up over the 'David" misunderstanding on the task 2 days ago may have gone massively against her, otherwise she could have been in the running. However the Scotty T base and the evident manipulation of his voting line was always going to make him the winner.

Heh i thought they "sorted that out" terrible. (oops should clarify im talking about the voting thing)

[hazyjo]

Crazy thread. Yes, she was entertaining and would have been a fairly worthy winner as she gave a lot of entertainment, but there was a huge percentage who wouldn't vote for her (me included) as I didn't like some of the things she said and did. If a bloke had said it, he'd have got the boot.

Can you imagine some bloke snogging 2 female housemates and voting them on it, saying one was better as you could imagine how she'd suck c*ck? And about the things he needed to do (like get inside someone). There was lots more. People would be going mental. She also said enough to make Darren feel VERY uncomfortable. Not very pleasant.

Aaron got the boot for flashing at Joel in a previous BB. I'd say Tiffany's behaviour has certainly been on par with that with the things she's said to people.

It's nothing to do with the fact she's black. For those who keep mentioning it, or noticing colour, I suggest it's them with the problem. The quicker this bloody world stops going on about whether a black person has been nominated for something, or has won something, or what percentage are in the workplace, etc the quicker the world will move on. Let people be recognised for their talent or skills, not because they're making up a quota. Nobody wants a token anyone. Judge people on merit. End of.

Yes, of course a black person will win. Take a look at the bloody White House/President. They said that wouldn't ever happen in our lifetime. They said an American would never win CBB but they did, and said a woman would never win, but again, of course they did.

Give it time...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

Purely a reflection of the majority vote.

Women who see other women as inferior to men. Or value a rat male before they value themselves and somehow are terrified by women with brown skin.

OK...if the British viewers are mainly racist as this seems to imply, how did Tiffany survive countless evictions, and win the vote one week (at least one week...maybe more)

Originally Posted by hazyjo

She also said enough to make Darren feel VERY uncomfortable. Not very pleasant.

Darren seems rather easily offended. I think the way he got so pissed off about her going on about being horny was because he couldn't do anything about it...like he explained himself. Not because he is married, but because there were cameras everywhere He fancied the pants off Tiffany IMO.

Originally Posted by hazyjo

Aaron got the boot for flashing at Joel in a previous BB. I'd say Tiffany's behaviour has certainly been on par with that with the things she's said to people.

Nahhh, only males she was touchy feely with were Scotty and Jeremy, neither of whom minded and both of whom went back for more. Joel did not enjoy having a penis rubbed against him. So there is a difference in this

[hazyjo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK...if the British viewers are mainly racist as this seems to imply, how did Tiffany survive countless evictions, and win the vote one week (at least one week...maybe more)



Darren seems rather easily offended. I think the way he got so pissed off about her going on about being horny was because he couldn't do anything about it...like he explained himself. Not because he is married, but because there were cameras everywhere He fancied the pants off Tiffany IMO.



Nahhh, only males she was touchy feely with were Scotty and Jeremy, neither of whom minded and both of whom went back for more. Joel did not enjoy having a penis rubbed against him. So there is a difference in this

I believe Darren My OH had a similar background and would behave exactly the same way if a woman came onto him like that. He's a borderline prude - so far removed from his former self, it's ridiculous.

Yeah, maybe she did mainly come on to those who played along. I just know I wouldn't like it if a bloke did it, and certainly don't like seeing a woman do it. Nothing attractive in seeing people dry humping others like a horny dog you have to shake off your leg. That's not just at Tiff but the blokes too.

[Jack_]

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

As I've said before, Tiffany was a black American woman. Like hell was she winning CBBUK. Three strikes and you're out gurl

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

As I've said before, Tiffany was a black American woman. Like hell was she winning CBBUK. Three strikes and you're out gurl

Big Brother Australia?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

Can't speak for others, but the reason these accusations annoy me is because it is constant. Tiffany was my favorite by a long shot, and I am gutted with her placing but it really does noone any favors when people scream racist/homophobe (for example) whatever just because others happen to not like a black/gay person.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

And you know this how exactly?

The overuse of claims of racism on here bugs me and I can assure you it's not because I'm either in denial or racist myself, that's quite a strong suggestion (or accusation) for you to make with no actual foundation.

Actually, what you just said is just another example of people way too casually accusing others of racism (and trivialising it in the process), which has become worryingly more common as of late.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Can't speak for others, but the reason these accusations annoy me is because it is constant. Tiffany was my favorite by a long shot, and I am gutted with her placing but it really does noone any favors when people scream racist/homophobe (for example) whatever just because others happen to not like a black/gay person.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Can't speak for others, but the reason these accusations annoy me is because it is constant. Tiffany was my favorite by a long shot, and I am gutted with her placing but it really does noone any favors when people scream racist/homophobe (for example) whatever just because others happen to not like a black/gay person.

It is not simply just a case of people disliking housemates because they are black, American or a woman (or whatever), although there are definitely examples of that, but more the systematic and underlying prejudices, double standards and bias that exists.

For example, Emma rightly pointed out to Jeremy that had it been a female going after a man in a relationship, they'd have been slaughtered (case in point: Daley and Hazel). Now I don't actually agree with a single party receiving any blame in situations like those but the point still stands. The existence of the 'angry black woman' stereotype is also very much a thing and something that is often portrayed on Big Brother, and so too do people get treated differently in such situations. The housemates were calling Tiffany unsafe to live with and requesting her removal yet Megan had a ridiculously aggressive meltdown and no one batted an eyelid? Men's behaviour is excused and they are cheered literally because they have a penis, women whom express their sexuality are often labelled slags yet men can get away with the same thing because they're 'lads'? The only notable exception I can think to that is Charlotte.

As with many of these kind of issues in society, they are discreet and underlying, almost institutionalised. But they do exist.

Originally Posted by Lostie!

And you know this how exactly?

The overuse of claims of racism on here bugs me and I can assure you it's not because I'm either in denial or racist myself, that's quite a strong suggestion (or accusation) for you to make with no actual foundation.

Actually, what you just said is just another example of people way too casually accusing others of racism (and trivialising it in the process), which has become worryingly more common as of late.

Because examples of racism and sexism and even xenophobia are very much present on this programme and British people don't like to admit that we can and still do have issues with such things because it goes against our seemingly 'tolerant' nature?

And believe me, there is plenty of foundation and I am in no way trivialising anything, I cannot obviously elaborate any further or else I'd be reprimanded. But someone can feel free to give me the go ahead and I'll happily write you an essay with plenty of examples to back up mine (and many others) very genuine claims.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I I cannot obviously elaborate any further or else I'd be reprimanded. But someone can feel free to give me the go ahead and I'll happily write you an essay with plenty of examples to back up mine (and many others) very genuine claims.

Say it, you have the freedom, this isn't Nazi Germany.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

As I've said before, Tiffany was a black American woman. Like hell was she winning CBBUK. Three strikes and you're out gurl

[Gstar]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People don't like this being pointed out because deep down they know it's true, or even worse, they're guilty of it

As I've said before, Tiffany was a black American woman. Like hell was she winning CBBUK. Three strikes and you're out gurl

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[Tom4784]

It's nothing new, there's always been undertones of both racism and sexism within the voting trends.

[Northern Monkey]

I honestly could'nt give a sh1t what colour the winner is and the vast majority of the British public are not racist.Colour has nothing to do with it.Who even cares what somebody's skin colour is?

I liked Tiff but her not winning is nothing to do with race.

[Amy Jade]

I half agree and half disagree.

I think a black woman could win someday but I don't really think about race so much.

I do agree there is a racial element though, even on here I've noticed it a few times how much hate women of colour can get especially on facebook, posts were being taken down calling Tiffany a chimp etc

[bots]

Someone considered boring won this series and the last over other housemates deemed more entertaining. In both cases, it had nothing to do with gender or colour. Not everyone likes the same traits in peoples personalities, not everyone finds the same behaviour entertaining. Its that simple. Nothing to do with colour at all.

[arney]

Originally Posted by Hayden

And that's a fact.

OK.

[Alf]

A person that choses their favourite housemate every single series by the criteria of the colour of their skin has the nerve to shout racism.


More bull s*** hypocrisy I'm afraid, and I'm not purchasing.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by wannashag

A person that choses their favourite housemate every single series by the criteria of the colour of their skin has the nerve to shout racism.


More bull s*** hypocrisy I'm afraid, and I'm not purchasing.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by wannashag

A person that choses their favourite housemate every single series by the criteria of the colour of their skin has the nerve to shout racism.


More bull s*** hypocrisy I'm afraid, and I'm not purchasing.

[854]

Yeah there have been I think maybe a handful of black women who have survived an eviction. Maybe two in the regular series, Makosi and Gina that have survived multiple ones. Black women just are not liked by the public at all, and I don't want to say never, but it's getting to look like that unless the white HM's are equally worse or the black woman is racially bullied by the other HM's, which even then she will probably only get 2nd or 3rd etc.

Also Tiffany and Traci Bingham are the only two black women to ever be in CBB series too, so they never put black female celebs in the celeb version.

Not so much he's black, but she's ghetto, black and american. Which is actually still shunned and misunderstood here in the states yet probably more accepted and dealt with, are all things people in britain are still getting used to dealing with.

I don't think anybody outside London or Essex could even understand her accent or her diction/personality.

Like how people here in LA wouldn't understand a geezers accent or someone from Manchester etc.

I know I work customer service here in LA and whenever I deal with someone with a thick british accent I feel dumb because they are speaking in english I just don't connect with it.

As a gay black male I would love to see a black female win our version, so this is a worldwide issue to be honest.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by Hayden

And that's a fact.

Not if they are dull and overhyped caricatures they wont no...

[Crimson Dynamo]

lets try and look for any reason that "my fave" did not win

surely it cant be that she just wasnt funny, real or entertaining enough?

how could that be??

[alex_front2]

Regarding civilian Big Brother
Even nice sweet-heart black women "non angry black women" black women won't win

-bb3 Alison
-bb8 Kara Louise
-bb 7 Dawn
-bb10 Sophia
-bb11Iffe, Rachel and cougar Jo
-bb 12 Heaven

Non of these even made the final

When there was more entertaining black women eg bb3 Amma, Bb6 Makosi, bb10 Rachel bb14 Gina, bb15 Toya , Bianca

Yet still no win. At best #3 place.

Regarding Celebrity Big Brother
A black woman won't win cbb as there are hardly any UK black female celebs nowadays. Hence importing Tiff from USA. CBB invites failed singers/ former soap stars / reality stars. How many of these are black women? Have yet to see a black woman on Made in Chelsea?

Reality shows like TOWIE, Geordie Shore, MIC are now a mainstay of CBB but these shows and showbiz avenues rarely include black women. No black Gemma Collins or Charlotte Crosbys.

There are no famous black ex soap actors like Daniella , Stephanie and John. Can't think of a black female actress on Coronation Street. There's barely any on Hollyoaks or Emmerdale. Eastenders is set in one of the least white areas of London and yet there are only 2 black actresses. It's even lost the actress who plays Shabnam (Asian) today. No major black stage stars like Darren. Hardly any black ex Strictly dancers like James Jordan and Kristina, there are hardly any black WAGs like Nancy. No black female James Hill, Katie Hopkins, Katie Prices, Louisa Zuissman, Rylan, Jim Davidson's, Alex Reid's etc. It's a similar state with Asian celebs, there's hardly any of them and Shilpa would not have won if it weren't the horrendous race row IMHO.

I chucked to myself when Nadiya Hussain won the Bake Off and p*ssed off the "ethnic diversify" haters. It's the same folk who hate the fact that bastions of whiteness such as Midsomers Murders is no longer all white and Countryfile has Anita Rani on the show and Crown Bowls has a presenter who isn't white. The same folk who hate Serena Williams presence let alone dominance in women's tennis and Tiger Woods in golf.

There are some funny intriguing entertaining black women in Twitter and Instragramm with really low number of followers, there are some really boring white women with shockingly high twitter followers. I've stopped getting pissed off by it as I know the score.

Which is why I am glad the race row has happened at the Oscars and increasingly black people are saying "I don't give s crap if white people like me. I don't care."

[Beso]

Rachel rice was welsh and boring, she won.

Is that not enough for you fantasists.