[bots]

If a terrorist group has the will and the money, it can get its hands on WMD's. It doesn't have to be a nuke, a chemical or biological weapon will be just as devastating, and almost impossible to trace.

However, that doesn't give the fbi the right to take our freedoms away. I think there is a principle at stake and we must hold on to our freedoms and democracy at these times, when we are most tested, or we wll lose them forever.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Or sold...

Yes Cash
moves these products
Nothing do with a Film Script At All.



Bang On Right Kizzy

Having a Bunker
is good for the Worlds Future

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hush now, it's well established that Kirk is TiBB's resident Polymath.

How Nice

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Government agents manage to lose 8 nuclear weapons and they want us to trust them with our personal information?!?!

Do you trust Apple or any other International tech company any more than the US government?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I hate to piss on any TIBB expert's parade, but

Says the TIBB expert of absolutely everything

'Sapientia Et Veritas' dear girl, 'Sapientia Et Veritas'.

You should try a little of both in your next posts.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nah, it's a scenario that only happens in films. Your whole post relies on the fact that those weapons are actually missing, you see governments don't tend to leave loose ends when it comes to nukes. They don't just write off bombs that could end the world, shockingly enough.

Chances are those nukes have already been recovered and/or destroyed.

As ALWAYS - my post relies on nothing but FACTS.

ALL governments LIE to the people, and only admit the lies when they have no other alternative, and it is TOTALLY illogical to contend that the very SAME government who have spent years DENYING losing nukes to cover their embarrassment, then FIND those lost nukes but FAIL to publicise that fact.

No - those USA nukes were lost, and remain unaccounted for, as are the unknown number of nukes 'lost' by the Soviets during the collapse of their 'Empire'.

As for; "It's a scenario that only happens in films", I will say only that 'Life is often stranger than fiction', as attested by the incident of the U.S.S. Scorpion in 1968 - a very mysteroious case which has never been satisfactorily explained and is worthy of a Hollywood Blockbuster film script.

"While returning to home base in Norfolk, Virginia, the U.S.S. Scorpion, a nuclear attack submarine, mysteriously sank about 400 miles to the southwest of the Azores islands. In addition to the tragic loss of all 99 crewmembers, the Scorpion was carrying two unspecified nuclear weapons—either anti-submarine missiles or torpedoes that were tipped with nuclear warheads. These could yield up to 250 kilotons explosive power (depending which kind of weapon was used)"

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

ALL governments LIE to the people, and only admit the lies when they have no other alternative, and it is TOTALLY illogical to contend that the very SAME government who have spent years DENYING losing nukes to cover their embarrassment, then FIND those lost nukes but FAIL to publicise that fact.

Nah, it's entirely logical to assume that a government that has lied about losing nukes would keep it hush-hush if/when they recovered them. Come on, kirk.

"We haven't lost any nukes."
"Honest, all of our nukes are accounted for."
"Seriously! We have never even come close to losing a nuclear warhead"
"We honestly know where every single one is at all times. "

...

"Hey guys! We found a nuke! Remember we said we hadn't lost any? Well, actually we did but we've found it now so it's OK.... ... ... Other nukes? Oh no, it was just that one. We have never lost any other nukes, honest."

Tl;dr: announcing the recovery of a nuke requires an admission that one was lost in the first place. It's entirely logical to assume that they would say nothing.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

'Sapientia Et Veritas' dear girl, 'Sapientia Et Veritas'.

You should try a little of both in your next posts.

Humilitas non vanitas est, Kirk, you are a Christian after all .

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nah, it's entirely logical to assume that a government that has lied about losing nukes would keep it hush-hush if/when they recovered them. Come on, kirk.

"We haven't lost any nukes."
"Honest, all of our nukes are accounted for."
"Seriously! We have never even come close to losing a nuclear warhead"
"We honestly know where every single one is at all times. "

...

"Hey guys! We found a nuke! Remember we said we hadn't lost any? Well, actually we did but we've found it now so it's OK.... ... ... Other nukes? Oh no, it was just that one. We have never lost any other nukes, honest."

Tl;dr: announcing the recovery of a nuke requires an admission that one was lost in the first place. It's entirely logical to assume that they would say nothing.

Your logic is beyond argument T.S. - IF those authorities had CONTINUED to deny that they had ever lost those nukes, but they did not maintain those false denials after being FORCED to finally ADMIT to losing them years afterwards.

For example;

The US Navy DENIED for 15 years that an 'A-4E SKYHAWK attack plane carrying a 1 MEGATON THERMONUCLEAR BOMB had "rolled off the deck of the U.S.S. Ticonderoga and fell into the Pacific Ocean" ( You could not make this up)

In 1980, though the US authorities did finally admit the loss of the Skyhawk and bomb, and also that NEITHER had ever been recovered, they still continued to LIE about the incident, in claiming that it had happened in 'deep sea' some 500 miles from land, when it actually occured only 80 miles off Japan's Ryuku island chain.

[DemolitionRed]

Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Your logic is beyond argument T.S. - IF those authorities had CONTINUED to deny that they had ever lost those nukes, but they did not maintain those false denials after being FORCED to finally ADMIT to losing them years afterwards.

For example;

The US Navy DENIED for 15 years that an 'A-4E SKYHAWK attack plane carrying a 1 MEGATON THERMONUCLEAR BOMB had "rolled off the deck of the U.S.S. Ticonderoga and fell into the Pacific Ocean" ( You could not make this up)

In 1980, though the US authorities did finally admit the loss of the Skyhawk and bomb, and also that NEITHER had ever been recovered, they still continued to LIE about the incident, in claiming that it had happened in 'deep sea' some 500 miles from land, when it actually occured only 80 miles off Japan's Ryuku island chain.

Yes but, as all governments do, they would be operating under the (all but certain) assumption that most people forget about these things alarmingly quickly. Announcing that something has been "found" years later, then, only reminds people that it was lost in the first place.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare

You should know dear.

But let me add in the Queen's English, that only a fool persists in posting without checking their sources OR their grammar.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You should know dear.

But let me add in the Queen's English, that only a fool persists in posting without checking their sources OR their grammar.

Says the guy who posts in a dead language :/

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes but, as all governments do, they would be operating under the (all but certain) assumption that most people forget about these things alarmingly quickly. Announcing that something has been "found" years later, then, only reminds people that it was lost in the first place.

Pretty much, there's also the fact that if they didn't inform anyone that they've found anything then they can do with the lost objects as they please.

The fact that these supposed lost weapons would somehow find their way into IS hands without detection decades later is far more unrealistic.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Pretty much, there's also the fact that if they didn't inform anyone that they've found anything then they can do with the lost objects as they please.

The fact that these supposed lost weapons would somehow find their way into IS hands without detection decades later is far more unrealistic.

Of course not
it will go from many sellers
then one will sale direct to Isis
for Bigger Cash.


Making Money is the key, Dezzy

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Says the guy who posts in a dead language :/

And pray enlighten us all as to just which 'Dead Language' this is? Are you referring to the Queen's English or Latin - BOTH of which may well be 'Dead' in your part of the world, but neither of which are 'dead' in the part of the world I live in, nor the circles which I move in.

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And pray enlighten us all as to just which 'Dead Language' this is? Are you referring to the Queen's English or Latin - BOTH of which may well be 'Dead' in your part of the world, but neither of which are 'dead' in the part of the world I live in, nor the circles which I move in.

Long Live Kirk

[Cherry Christmas]

Up until yesterday I thought it would be unrealistic to assume that a guy could get on a plane with a fake suicide belt made out of phone cases covered in cloth, in these times unrealistic scenarios can quickly become reality.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

Long Live Kirk

Thank you Arista. 'You Are Most Wise'.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Up until yesterday I thought it would be unrealistic to assume that a guy could get on a plane with a fake suicide belt made out of phone cases covered in cloth, in these times unrealistic scenarios can quickly become reality.

EXACTLY Cherie.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And pray enlighten us all as to just which 'Dead Language' this is? Are you referring to the Queen's English or Latin - BOTH of which may well be 'Dead' in your part of the world, but neither of which are 'dead' in the part of the world I live in, nor the circles which I move in.

So it's true! Latin is the preferred spoken tongue in those "secret societies" I've heard about .

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So it's true! Latin is the preferred spoken tongue in those "secret societies" I've heard about .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Up until yesterday I thought it would be unrealistic to assume that a guy could get on a plane with a fake suicide belt made out of phone cases covered in cloth, in these times unrealistic scenarios can quickly become reality.

Well no... no one would stop him getting on with some cloth and phone cases in his hand luggage. I imagine he probably cobbled it together in the bathroom, rather than taking it on assembled. I mean look at the picture, it looks like it took about 30 seconds .

So, not unrealistic that it COULD happen. Utterly bizarre that it did happen, I suppose.

[billy123]

Well this thread unsurprisingly seems to have been completely derailed after the right wing Gestapo style government lovers were shown up as talking bollocks. (as usual)

The argument that everybody should give up their right to privacy wasn't exactly their shiniest moment

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well no... no one would stop him getting on with some cloth and phone cases in his hand luggage. I imagine he probably cobbled it together in the bathroom, rather than taking it on assembled. I mean look at the picture, it looks like it took about 30 seconds .

So, not unrealistic that it COULD happen. Utterly bizarre that it did happen, I suppose.

The phone cases would have shown up in his hand luggage as a square objects on the X-ray screens so his suitcase should have been opened, and apparently he had cables as well so they should have been removed if nothing else, and the point is it would have been assumed to be an unrealistic scenario for this to have happened the day before yesterday, it has now been reported he has used fake passports in the past and was banned from entering Cyprus so how he was allowed to have a passport is also beyond belief