[the truth]

Originally Posted by rk3388

I would not say Trump is "self made". He comes from a rich family- just remembering his infamous quote of his dad giving him "a small loan of a million dollars". I actually detest him and all that he stands for. Just the fact that he has a chance to become president of the United States makes me fear for humanity.

On the otherhand, Bernie grew up in an apartment in Brooklyn, so definitely think he has had to work way harder for where he is at today.

nernie is my favourite by miles. crooked hilary and the democrats have stolen it from him undemocratically hes even won more states and is still way behind

trump is way better than hilary , he is against corporate takeoevers, he will keep the social security the same, he will charge us firms who take millions of their jobs overseas, he will raise tariffs on them and other corrupt importers such as chinses steel which pays slave wages , pollutes the planet and produces rubbish. he will protect the citizens more from terrorism and from the worst criminals amongst the millions of illegal immigrants. hes a fantastic businessman who gets things done. he turned a 1 million dollar loan into 5 billion dollars. he doesnt even need to bother with this , but hes a patriot and wants the save america from its 20 trillion debts

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

Hillary has federal indictments hanging over her with the unauthorized private e-mails and server and now after digging just a little in 'Trump' University the findings have shown it was text book fraud. Two terrible candidates with skeltons in the closet are apparently the best candidates. America deserves them both.

[GiRTh]

Former Trump University Workers Call the School a ‘Lie’ and a ‘Scheme’ in Testimony

In blunt testimony revealed on Tuesday, former managers of Trump University, the for-profit school started by Donald J. Trump, portray it as an unscrupulous business that relied on high-pressure sales tactics, employed unqualified instructors, made deceptive claims and exploited vulnerable students willing to pay tens of thousands for Mr. Trump’s insights.

One sales manager for Trump University, Ronald Schnackenberg, recounted how he was reprimanded for not pushing a financially struggling couple hard enough to sign up for a $35,000 real estate class, despite his conclusion that it would endanger their economic future. He watched with disgust, he said, as a fellow Trump University salesman persuaded the couple to purchase the class anyway.

“I believe that Trump University was a fraudulent scheme,” Mr. Schnackenberg wrote in his testimony, “and that it preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money.”

For Mr. Trump, whose presidential campaign hinges on his reputation as a businessman, the newly unsealed documents offer an unflattering snapshot of his career since branching out, over the past decade, from building skyscrapers into endeavors that cashed in on his name to sell everything from water and steaks to ties and education.

The release of the documents on Tuesday, under court order, was the latest turn in a federal lawsuit, filed in California by dissatisfied former Trump University students, that has bedeviled the businessman since 2010 and could trail him into the White House if he is elected president.

Mr. Trump, who started the university in 2005, owned 93 percent of the now-defunct company. From the start, he acted as its chief promoter, rather than day-to-day manager, selling it as a tool of financial empowerment that would improve life for thousands of ordinary Americans. It would, he said, “teach you better than the best business school,” according to the transcript of a Web video.

Within the documents made public Tuesday were internal employee guides encouraging customers with little money to pay for the tuition with their credit cards. “We teach the technique of using OPM ... Other People’s Money,” explained the internal instructions for salespeople. The documents pushed employees to exploit the emotions of potential customers. “Let them know you’ve found an answer to their problems,” read confidential instructions to salespeople.

The most striking documents were written testimony from former employees of Trump University who said they had become disenchanted with the university’s tactics and culture. Corrine Sommer, an event manager, recounted how colleagues encouraged students to open up as many credit cards as possible to pay for classes that many of them could not afford.

It’s O.K., just max out your credit card,” Ms. Sommer recalled their saying.

Jason Nicholas, a sales executive at Trump University, recalled a deceptive pitch used to lure students — that Mr. Trump would be “actively involved” in their education. “This was not true,” Mr. Nicholas testified, saying Mr. Trump was hardly involved at all. Trump University, Mr. Nicholas concluded, was “a facade, a total lie.”

Lawyers for Mr. Trump on Tuesday challenged those characterizations, saying that the testimony of the former Trump University employees “was completely discredited” in depositions taken for the California lawsuit. Lawyers for Mr. Trump declined to release those depositions on Tuesday.

As he has in the past, Mr. Trump argued through representatives that the complaints emanated from a small number of former students and that the vast majority had offered positive reviews of their experience.

“Trump University looks forward to using this evidence, along with much more, to win when the case is brought before a jury,” said Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman for Mr. Trump.

The court records show the role that Mr. Trump — and his outsize reputation — played in trying to sell the real estate classes to thousands of students. Marketing materials bearing his signature encouraged prospective students to take advantage of a downturn in the housing market to earn quick profits. He offered the kind of assurances that financial advisers have long cautioned consumers to be wary of. “How would you like to market-proof your financial future,” Mr. Trump asked in one brochure.

Mr. Trump started the for-profit Trump University just as the overheated American housing market neared its peak, promising that its classes would impart his wisdom about real estate and moneymaking to the general public.

But dozens of complaints about the school rolled into the offices of attorneys general in Florida, Texas, New York and Illinois, officials said, prompting multiple investigations and, eventually, the lawsuit from former students in California.

Mr. Trump had fought Tuesday’s release of previously sealed documents in the case. In an apparent attempt to discredit the judge in the case, Gonzalo P. Curiel, Mr. Trump called him biased and a “hater of Donald Trump,” and he sought to draw attention to the judge’s ethnic background — “we believe Mexican,” Mr. Trump said. (Mr. Curiel was born in Indiana; he is of Mexican descent.)

On Friday, in response to a legal motion filed by The Washington Post, Judge Curiel ruled that the records be released. Some of the documents unsealed Tuesday were previously made public in connection with other lawsuits.

The internal guidebooks for employees of Trump University provide a detailed set of instructions for how to sell the classes, even to skeptical and reluctant consumers, by tapping into their psychological needs.

A chart outlines the stages of the “roller coaster of emotions” that a buyer will experience. (The “Blast” phase, it explains, is “giving your clients hope again.” The “Probe” phase, it says, must “slowly bring the client back down to reality.”)

When it comes to selling the classes, the guidebooks leave little to chance. Inside the rooms where students are asked to enroll in classes, workers are asked to “confirm that room temperature is no more than 68 degrees.”

Of course, Mr. Trump and the promise of his engagement with the school was the biggest draw of all. In the documents released Tuesday, instructors described themselves as “hand-selected” by Mr. Trump. But in a deposition related to the lawsuit, Mr. Trump acknowledged that he did not pick the instructors.

Not all the documents made public on Tuesday were critical. Many former students said the classes delivered exactly what they had expected. “Trump University definitely made me more prepared to tackle the ‘real world’ of real estate investing,” wrote David Wright Jr., who signed up for a six-month program. “We really learned a lot of from Trump University and have found a modicum of success,” wrote another student, Kissy Gordon.

Former employees like Ms. Sommer took a dimmer view of the school. In her testimony, she said she was startled by the qualifications of some Trump University instructors.

Ms. Sommer recalled that a member of the Trump University sales team, who had previously sold jewelry, was promoted to become an instructor. He had “no real estate experience,” she said.

She added that many of the instructors had the quality that the school seemed to value most: “They were skilled at high-pressure sales,” she said.

New York Times

Bit in bold made me laugh.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Former Trump University Workers Call the School a ‘Lie’ and a ‘Scheme’ in Testimony

New York Times

Bit in bold made me laugh.

...the bit in bold made me smile as well....he's like a child whenever he has any criticism and just doesn't cope with it well at all, I mean just the ideal character trait for the USA president and all.. and those pesky Mexican descendants, becoming judges and such now, eh...that's what happens when you don't have a wall/the cheeky rascals.....

[joeysteele]

Trump will likely win a lot of smaller States but Hillary will take the really big ones I think and hope.

I cannot believe the USA could be even just in a small way thinking about electing Trump to the Presidency.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Trump will likely win a lot of smaller States but Hillary will take the really big ones I think and hope.

I cannot believe the USA could be even just in a small way thinking about electing Trump to the Presidency.

It's a tough choice.I'm scared Hilary will lead us into WW3.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's a tough choice.I'm scared Hilary will lead us into WW3.

I like Hillary,I think she was a really good Secretary of State for Obama.
She'd get my vote this time round if I was an American.

The one I wouldn't trust an inch is Trump.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I like Hillary,I think she was a really good Secretary of State for Obama.
She'd get my vote this time round if I was an American.

The one I wouldn't trust an inch is Trump.

If i was an American i honestly don't think i would be voting.I could'nt choose between those two.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

If i was an American i honestly don't think i would be voting.I could'nt choose between those two.

Same

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's a tough choice.I'm scared Hilary will lead us into WW3.

unless she does Not make it to
Nov.

If she does Not ,
Bernie can Try

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

Trumps attack on the 'Mexican' judge presiding in the Trump University case seem to be taking traction. The judge is of Mexican ancestry but was actually born in Indiana and his family has resided in the USA longer than Trumps family.

Surely people mus see Trump cannot bring this kind of thin skin into the highest offices in the world.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Youtube video

Trumps attack on the 'Mexican' judge presiding in the Trump University case seem to be taking traction. The judge is of Mexican ancestry but was actually born in Indiana and his family has resided in the USA longer than Trumps family.

Surely people mus see Trump cannot bring this kind of thin skin into the highest offices in the world.

The judge is/was a member of La Raza (which is spanish for the race). He is a Mexican supremacist even if he was born in America.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

The judge is/was a member of La Raza (which is spanish for the race). He is a Mexican supremacist even if he was born in America.

Do you have links proving what this organisation stands for?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Do you have links proving what this organisation stands for?

Just do an internet search or, better yet, go to youtube and find some videos explaining what La Raza is. They are the Mexican version of KKK.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Just do an internet search or, better yet, go to youtube and find some videos explaining what La Raza is. They are the Mexican version of KKK.

Done that and cant find anything on any reputable site. On many right wing sites but certainly nothing that can be believed. From that I have found the judge is a member of a law society that has some ties to the organisaton. Do you have any better?.

[Brother Leon]

Hilary wins California. That should be that . Bloody hell, what two candidates to choose from for Americans

[arista]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Hilary wins California. That should be that . Bloody hell, what two candidates to choose from for Americans

Bernie won 2 states
and is staying in the race
in case Clinton Bitch has a Heart Attack
or something

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

Bernie won 2 states
and is staying in the race
in case Clinton Bitch has a Heart Attack
or something

So he should. Take as many votes from Hillary as he can then run as a third party candidate.

[bots]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So he should. Take as many votes from Hillary as he can then run as a third party candidate.

i would like to see that happen, however, would that split their vote leaving Trump a clear winner?

[bots]

Donald gets a makeover

[joeysteele]

Hopefully the tide now swings back to Hillary Clinton against Trump now and I think it will too.

Bernie Sanders is being a little foolish here, she is over 900 delegates ahead of him with only about 160 left to come in.
His right to go to the end I guess but in my view foolish none-the-less.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Hopefully the tide now swings back to Hillary Clinton against Trump now and I think it will too.

Bernie Sanders is being a little foolish here, she is over 900 delegates ahead of him with only about 160 left to come in.
His right to go to the end I guess but in my view foolish none-the-less.

Just like Hillary in 2008 against Obama. She hung on to the bitter end, even after the majority of delegates had left her and gone to him and didnt she make a comment that she was doing so cuz he might be assassinated?. Dont agree, Bernie still has many points to make and I hope he keeps getting his message out there.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Just like Hillary in 2008 against Obama. She hung on to the bitter end, even after the majority of delegates had left her and gone to him and didnt she make a comment that she was doing so cuz he might be assassinated?. Dont agree, Bernie still has many points to make and I hope he keeps getting his message out there.

Not my recollection of that being the same as this one.
Yes to Hillary Clinton staying to the end but she finished up with only about 400 less delegates than Obama that year.

Bernie Sanders with respect is over 900 behind Clinton now with barely 160 delegates left to come in.

He is miles behind Hillary compared to the position she was in against Obama in 2008.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not my recollection of that being the same as this one.
Yes to Hillary Clinton staying to the end but she finished up with only about 400 less delegates than Obama that year.

Bernie Sanders with respect is over 900 behind Clinton now with barely 160 delegates left to come in.

He is miles behind Hillary compared to the position she was in against Obama in 2008.

In 2008 over 100 delegates flipped from her to Obama within a week. At that point she was beaten; if she was a Democratic party lover then she should have dropped out, but she didnt. She even kept going for four days after Obama was confirmed as the nominee and it was in those four days that she made the horrendous assassination comment. Seems quite similar in my opinion and she's an establishment figure, Bernie isnt. Bernie knows there is no place for him in any Clinton administration so I think its right for him to fight on.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Hopefully the tide now swings back to Hillary Clinton against Trump now and I think it will too.

Bernie Sanders is being a little foolish here, she is over 900 delegates ahead of him with only about 160 left to come in.
His right to go to the end I guess but in my view foolish none-the-less.

Bernie will keep spreading his message, as he deserves to and should.